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Where’s my instant answer?

October 06, 2005, 03:57 PM by Bing | 9 Comments
As we release more instant answers, we get a lot of great feedback on them.  One common question, also brought up by Scoble recently (with follow up), goes something like this: “I like it when you show the stock answer for queries like msft and intc, but why doesn’t it appear for other valid tickers like play?”

We could simply show the answer for all known financial symbols.  The problem is when someone searches for play, it could mean a lot of things besides the stock price of PortalPlayer.  A similar problem happens for searches on just a company name.  Before we show an instant answer, we try very hard to make sure it’s highly relevant.  Otherwise we would be pushing web results down the page for nothing.

Here’s another perspective.  When you search for msft, you would expect most of the web results to be about Microsoft.  What about searching for jobs, life or pets?  Would you expect most of the web results to be about 51job Inc, Lifeline Systems or PetMed Express?  If not, does it make sense for the stock prices of these companies to appear prominently?  We don’t think so, and Google and Yahoo both take a similar approach with these three tickers.  Also imagine a case where 17 instant answers can trigger for a specific query – does anyone want to see all 17 prominently on the page to keep each answer consistent?  However, if you add extra words like “stock quote” to the symbol or company name, the intent is clearer and we show the stock instant answer.

We realize that some people still just want the stock prices for jobs, life and pets.  There is also an element of serendipity when a good answer seems to appear out of the blue.  We are working on a few ideas for something that will handle these cases, without sacrificing relevance.

Do we always get this right?  Absolutely not!  If you come across any bad examples or have other thoughts on how we should handle this, please let us know.  We’ll take a look.

Jamie Buckley, MSN Search PM

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Gerry Humphrey

Posted On October 06, 2005, 05:27 PM
What about bad results like Play having the info from a few years ago?

Also, what about if someone types in all caps, you boost the possibility of showing the stock... such as PLAY, LIFE, PETS vs. Play or play.

TDavid

Posted On October 06, 2005, 06:05 PM
Gerry is correct.

As I mentioned in Scoble's comments, if someone types the ticker symbol in CAPS then that should be quite easy to filter out and it's shorter than: stock:MSFT or some other advanced querying and if somebody knows the ticker symbol and puts it in all caps, then they either A) know exactly what they are looking for or B) have caps lock key on by mistake.

Alex Scoble

Posted On October 06, 2005, 07:45 PM
Woah, are we lazy. Typing stock play, stock life, or stock whatever, gets you the chart at top of search.

How about instead of expecting the search engine to figure out what the heck you want from a one word search, you help it to help you by telling it what you want.

Now when you do that, specifically tell the engine what you want, and get noise...then that's a real reason to complain.

Jim Carlson

Posted On October 06, 2005, 09:59 PM
The searchs that exactly match a stock symbol should return the quote.

Alex Moskalyuk

Posted On October 07, 2005, 12:12 AM
This is overblown. How many people out there are relying on *search engines* to deliver such time-critical data as stock quotes? If someone cared enough to memorize the stock ticker, they are surely aware of finance.yahoo.com or money.msn.com.

Cause my house is on fire, you know, and when I type "fire" into MSN Search, it doesn't provide me with the emergency three-digit phone number I need to call.

Robert Scoble

Posted On October 07, 2005, 12:31 AM
Alex: I use search engines for these. I watch Mad Money and like looking up the symbols this way. Why? Cause I have MSN's and Google's toolbars. I don't have a Yahoo finance toolbar.

Stop telling the users they are wrong. That's how you'll make a better search engine.

Alex Moskalyuk

Posted On October 07, 2005, 02:19 AM
Robert, I wasn't trying to blow off legit usage of the search engine. But it seemed to me (and I might be wrong), your case is on the fringe. Now, I might be wrong on that and maybe 3-4% of all search requests are stock-ticket-driven, in which case it's not a fringe issue anymore, but a pattern.

What I was saying is that it's impossible to please all the fringe cases. I might have typed in 'play', but what I really wanted was MSN Games. Impossible for search guys to know without any prior knowledge.

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