Marzocchi's New Fork and Dropper Post - Sea Otter 2015

Apr 17, 2015
by Mike Levy  

Marzocchi 350 Plus NCR


The Italians are joining the kinda-fat party as well, with three new 350 Plus models that are designed to fit both 27.5+ and 29 wheels and tires. All three forks share the same wider crown and lowers that are tired together with a 15 x 110mm QR thru-axle, as well as 35mm diameter stanchion tubes, but the top of the line NCR model that's pictured here is the only one that gets Marzocchi's Espresso treatment applied to its stanchions. There are two travel options available: one fork that has 140mm and can be dropped down to 120mm in 10mm increments, and another model that can go from 170mm to 150mm for those who are looking to send it.

While other suspension companies are telling us that they're using custom tunes for both the damping and air springs of their plus-sized forks, Marzocchi says that their standard production dampers and springs have no issues when it comes to being combined with high-volume rubber. They've dropped in their AER air cartridge for a spring, and they say that the system's negative spring provides "plushness you would expect from a coil system right from the beginning of the stroke.'' The fork's action is controlled via their NCR damper cartridge, and it allows the rider to tune the compression at the top of the fork leg, as well as activate a pedal-assist by flicking the anodized black lever to the right. The fork also uses Marzocchi's new single-lip oil and dust seals that are said to greatly reduce friction.
Marzocchi

Marzocchi
Compression adjustments are made at the top of the left fork leg.
Marzocchi
Marzocchi's new single-lip seals are said to greatly reduce friction.






Espresso Push Dropper Seat Post


We gave you the first glimpse of a prototype version of Marzocchi's dropper post last year, but they showed me a production version of their EPD post today at Sea Otter that will be available soon. The 125mm travel post can be had in both externally routed (EPD EXT) and internally routed (EPD INT) cable options, and it sounds like a 150mm travel version of both will also be available by this coming September. Sizing includes 30.9 and 31.6mm, and pricing is still being decided.

The EPD post is activated with a standard shift cable that's tugged on by a thumb operated remote up next to your grip, and the post's hydraulic internals allow for infinite seat height positioning anywhere in its 125mm of stroke. Rebound is handled by an adjustable (via a supplied adapter) air spring, and there's an audible *clunk* as the post tops out that lets the rider know that it's back up to full mast. Rebound speed was decently quick, but not lightening fast like Specialized's Command Post or FOX's D.O.S.S. There was also next to no side-to-side play in the EPD that I was tinkering with - Marzocchi seems to have nailed the tolerances for the post's three key-way design - and it felt impressively smooth through its travel.

The internally routed EPD dropper post has been designed to use a clever modular activation system that easily detaches from the bottom of the post, which is something that makes removing your internally routed seat post as easy as unscrewing the lid of a jam jar. The business end of the cable is attached to the activation arm, and pushing on the remote lever causes the arm to compress the end of the plunger at the bottom of the post, but the entire entire assembly simply unscrews off the bottom of the post by hand, and without requiring any special tools. Having to remove and re-install their internally routed seat post is a task straight out of some people's nightmares, but Marzocchi's design is so simple and effective that it makes me wonder why no one else has come up with something similar.
Marzocchi

Marzocchi didn't supply pricing or a weight figure for the EPD, but I'd guess that it's on par with other hydraulically controlled, air-sprung dropper posts on the market.


Marzocchi
The EPD's remote tucks right up against the grip.
Marzocchi
The head and actuation assembly of the externally routed EPD.



Marzocchi
The internally routed EPD actuation assembly is located at the bottom of the post...
Marzocchi
And it can be unscrewed by hand in mere seconds, making it super easy to completely remove the post from your bike.



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111 Comments
  • 119 12
 already over this 27.5 + stuff. Yet another product you will never be able to sell me on.
  • 13 2
 27+ is a tough sell. A fatbike is an easy sell for winter slop, but would I justify the cost for a very in-between niche bike? Doubt it. Unless its faster....
  • 26 1
 Can someone please explain to me what they're for? I feel like they wouldn't work in snow as well as a fat bike, and wouldn't handle as well as a normal bike.
  • 17 1
 it's a ruse
  • 28 3
 When ever I look at 27.5+ I cannot believe the industry doesn't revert back to 20 mm axles.
  • 9 28
flag Axxe (Apr 18, 2015 at 0:07) (Below Threshold)
 20mm axles have disk flange at the same distance. This new standard moved it, so it works better.

+ sized tires are a blast to ride. Much more traction, more comfort. Wide rims enabled it. It is the future. Though for DH/FR bikes 26" tires in 3"+ range would be great.
  • 50 4
 26 inch tires in the 3.0+ range? No, this isn't 2003.
  • 3 1
 you nailed it !
  • 7 2
 Yes it is.
  • 8 2
 STILL WAITING FOR THE FRIGGIN SUPPORT SITE.

flag CrySmack (Oct 28, 2014 at 13:53)
I changed my 380 with a Boxxer because of the manual and service problem. Products at this price should have a proper service and documentation.
+ 2
flag MarzocchiMTB (Oct 28, 2014 at 13:57)
@CrySmack, we agree with you on the service documentation and are working on a new website that will provide all the support and info needed.
  • 5 5
 Wider tires are coming (2017) and due to better technology they no longer weigh as much as back in the day. They give more traction and thus making climbing easier and also allowing you to plow through rough terrain better. Personally I think larger 559 (26in) make more sense than 584 (27.5)...
  • 15 2
 The only 27.5+ bike I thought "hey that's kinda neat" when I saw it was the Rocky Mountain bikepacking bike
  • 5 2
 Me too but we are Canadians right?!
  • 9 5
 "never say never"

J.B.
  • 5 4
 im in on innovation and fat tires and all that, but i want to keep using my bike too you know. to get into all this, i'd have to buy a new frame, a fork and new tires and rims! its too much! not everyone makes enough cash every month to buy at least decent fork you know. just my thought.
  • 2 0
 @jozhua130 you don't have to get into it straightaway. Wait until you get a new bike in 2-3 years. By then there will be more info and more testing!
I have an inverted fork which has allowed me to test a front 584mm (27.5) wheel and 2.8 559mm (26) tire but my frame is limited to a 2.4x559 rear or 2.8x507 (24in), so yeah I feel your pain.
  • 2 1
 @axxe More grip on hard terrain (ie rocks) but much much less in soft dirt. But I am coming from a racer's perspective so what do I know.
  • 6 7
 What a bunch of clueless dummies here in the comments session. Always amusing. You. Just. Do. Not. Know.

@WaynePersons: Less on soft dirt? On tires that actually ride well in sand? I laugh in your general direction.
  • 4 4
 @SintraFreeride "I have an inverted fork which has allowed me to test a front 584mm (27.5) wheel and 2.8 559mm (26) tire"

I can't imagine that worked too well...
  • 1 0
 @scottzg
And pray tell why you imagine it wouldn't work well?
Both worked very well though on different terrain. Rocky terrain = bigger tires
The larger wheel up front makes going through rough terrain easier but it did slow down the steering. Thus it works great at speed but not so well on slow tech terrain. I could have increased the headangle to compensate but have chosen to keep it at 62Âş and plus around where I live it's not often you ride under 20km/h (not counting climbing).
  • 3 0
 because a 559 tire won't mount on a 584 wheel. ;-)
  • 1 0
 lol. @scottzg My mistake. Meant 559mm wheel with 2.5 tire and 584mm with 2.35
  • 30 3
 Hey Marzo, why not make the 350 in 26? I would gladly sell my Pike for one if you offered it in 26... From a slightly disappointed potential consumer
  • 9 1
 just get the 55 rc3
  • 31 6
 Just put 26" wheel into 275 fork, plenty of mud clearance, slackens your head angle by 0,5 degree, win win.
  • 11 1
 They do, its called a 55CR I have been riding the 2015 55CR for a while and it is fantastic.
  • 1 0
 I am aware of the 55. From my understanding, the 350 and 55 share 35mm stanchions and fork length, but 350 has the NCR damper, 15mm axles, and is significantly lighter. To add, as someone who's "stuck" on 15mm axles, it would be nice to just stick with it rather than relacing with a 20mm axle or getting a different wheel.
  • 7 6
 @Waki, if you use a 26" wheel in a 27.5 fork you will steepen the bike's head angle!
  • 8 4
 @Santoman, I forgot to add: in relation to your current 26" fork.
  • 2 0
 true dat!
  • 2 0
 @waki doesnt that influence the trail of the front wheel in a strange way?
  • 3 1
 Their 27.5 350 are also made for 26 wheels as they have the same axle to Crown length a standard 26 160mm fork.
  • 10 2
 I don't know bOObdesign, I don't care, just trolling in case some "slack" lover comes along. I mounted a 29" Reba on a 26er hardtail once and haven't really noticed anything so I don't know. I also rode XC with Lyrik Uturn for some time, changin travel up and down on same ride and haven't really been held back, maybe because on my trails there's so much going on all the time, that I have no chance to focus on some particular action, as long as sag is ok, rebound matches it and I get some basic low speed compression on top of it, I am happy. It's bikes - Look ahead, drop heels, light hands, heavy feet, and keep those elbows out Big Grin

www.pinkbike.com/photo/11655861
  • 1 0
 nice picture, man Big Grin
... but i will carry on riding a 26 fork with 26 wheel and if im going to 650 ill change fork and wheel. @stigsvancouvercousin i dont see why someone whos still on 26 should have trouble finding a fork... there are so many nice RC2 forks on the (second hand) market... lyrik and 36 should be state of the art for many years to come... without stupid ctd fork-reinventing bullshit
  • 1 0
 I know this isn't a tech forum, but seriously, if I mounted 26" wheels on my 650b bike, other than a list bb would I notice any difference? My trek ever has an adjustable frame so I could raise the bb again and the fork too.
  • 1 0
 @denomerdano just got one too! how long did it take you to brake it in?
And if they do carry the same chassis why not just put the NCR damper in there?
Or am i missing something?
  • 1 1
 Running a 350 on my 26er chromag. Had it travel reduced to 150, but the bike didn't explode, and the world didn't end when I mounted it on the bike. Rides damn nice, kicks the living shit out of the rct3 damped revelation I was running.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/12135123
  • 1 0
 @enduro94 It took no time to break in. I did and still do facilitate the smoothness with silicone lube(bikelust) on the stanchions. I haven't felt the need of an upgraded damper in there. But I am not a beast of a rider. IT does handle hucks to flats and northshore gnar exceptionally well.

@rtrska I would thrown on a 650b wheel on the fork and keep the rear 26" . depending on how you ride, it may make the rock gardens more fun and faster.
  • 2 0
 taletotell - just try it, you are not going to hell for it Big Grin
  • 1 0
 It is a bit of work but what the heck. I have some high end wheels in 26 that need some use.
  • 1 0
 @denomerdano
Just rode it today and it is getting better. So you don't think you need to add oil to the air piston to make it more progressive? I've only done a 2 foot huck to flat and it seems good. Night and day difference between a 2011 Fox Talas RL. The 55cr seems to open up very nicely on the trail.
How long have you been using silicone sprays on your suspension? It is kind of a controversial topic. Never done it myself but seems good.
  • 1 0
 @enduro94 I haven't remotely thought about adding oil in the air chamber. I will drop into Marz canada next week for a service and ask in person. will let you know.
  • 12 1
 Doesn't look like an afterthought to me, the rest of the fork follows the same trend of looking smooth and simple, no harsh lines, I like it.
  • 8 3
 It reminded me of the first fork I designed in solid works for class haha. No details
  • 3 2
 Looks stripped down like a Ducati. The crown looks a little unrefined though...
  • 4 1
 Maybe a tad, but I still like the fork as a whole. One of the reasons I bought a zocchi for my 29er, love the look lately and they're such good forks.
  • 7 1
 It looks like Marzocchi Italy is laying off employees and canceled the lease on a plant. Would love to know more about this

www.ilrestodelcarlino.it/bologna/fiom-tenneco-chiude-marzocchi-1.800719
  • 8 1
 The link is in Italian. It translates to "we're moving every facet of business aside from design to Taiwan with rest of the bike industry. Still designed in Italy by real Italians."
  • 1 1
 Apparently this is something the unions are exaggerating.

forums.mtbr.com/27-5/marzocchi-better-late-than-never-908511-25.html
  • 8 0
 This is the gist: the union is having some issues with Marzocchi's parent company, but this is solely down to the moto division that's based in Italy. The mountain bike side of things is carrying on like normal, and while it sounded like there was some issues a few weeks back, Marzocchi's MTB division has unaffected.
  • 6 0
 MARZOCCHI MAKES ME SMILE!!! And Emily Batty
  • 7 1
 Holy smokes! Another 125mm dropper post (said no 6'2" guy ever!)
  • 5 0
 it's italian...
  • 2 0
 It says they're releasing a 150mm version.
  • 2 0
 I would but a 7" or 8" dropper if someone made one, said the 6'4" guy who rides 5X a week, but it'll never happen because we make up too small a market %.
  • 1 0
 Rase makes a 9" dropper
  • 1 0
 I've had the Rase... it was fantastic, but really noisy! Hopefully their new one makes less noise.
  • 2 4
 You guys should try riding bikes that fit better.
  • 1 0
 @scottzg ok, I'll do that. Oh wait , I already have 3 XL bikes that need more seatpost range than my 150mm's levs. Being a large person is a bitch for bikes. The VECNUM moveLOC looks promising at 200mm.
  • 2 0
 Lol ditto. I'm not even a giant but at 6'4 I keep a QR collar on XL so that I can raise dropper a bit for climbing and slam it for descets. My buddy thinks I'm nuts but if I leave it at the level required for comfortable leg extension, the seat is up my ass on the downs.
  • 1 0
 Yep, same here. QR collar needed after spending hundreds on a post. Mine is set at least 2.5" above the clamp on my bikes just to get extension for climbs. Only have to slam it all the way down for really steep stuff. Otherwise I cant get my feet to touch the ground.
  • 3 0
 Awesome news on the ease of cable detachment on the post, but not a fan of the lever... I like more a shifter style that sits below the bar that you can adjust the distance from the grip
  • 5 1
 20mm axle, I would have considered it. Boost axle, not until it hits the 85% off bargain bin with a free enve carbon wheel.
  • 2 1
 I don't get it Marzocchi. We've been wanting for you to come up with a new, burlier 29er fork and you say it's not your priority then you come out with 27.5+ forks with the 110mm spacing that only a handful of people can buy.

Why didn't you just come up with a conventional 29er 350CR fork instead? Wasn't the consumer demand high enough? Just seems like such a weird business decision.
  • 1 0
 I like the espresso coating color then I see a gold adjustment knob...boooo. I have a kashima coated fork and shock and I don't mind as it isn't quite jewelry gold color but damn I'd easy-off that adjustment knob. Am I the only one that thinks gold looks gaudy?
  • 3 2
 I'm not sure about the looks on Marzocchi. I had 66 from 2006 and those lowers were astonishingly beatiful, Z1s from 2003, wooh, it was pure sex. This reminds me of 2008 Recon. Find your groove damn it! Big Grin
  • 2 2
 I don't understand where this 27.5+ bizzo even cam from. Anyone else like me who first found out when fox said they were doing it. Fatbikes have been around for ages and prove a function. But this other shit is just no. My steel hardtail keeps me pure. Am i a MTB hipster?
  • 1 0
 Smart design on the seatpost cutting the cable at the bar, a little more unsightly but better function, especially for the internally routed one
  • 5 1
 Same design as Giant's house branded dropper post, which is a great deal for the money.
  • 5 0
 And Giant is going to redesign their dropper post for the next model year. Apparently they'll stick with their simple and effective cartridge system, and just redesign the bad friction-based seat-seatpost interface to allow for more travel. If they do that, it'll be by far the best and most reliably infinitely-adjustable dropper post out there (as well as best value).
  • 4 1
 True but maybe this one will last a whole season unlike Giants dropper post!
  • 1 0
 I like the compatibility options of having the cable head at the remote end. I currently have my post hooked up to my old front shifter, which is way easier to get to than the stock over the top remotes. You can also run the KS Southpaw remote, if your running 1x
  • 2 0
 thanks for the tip googes1, I didn't know about the ks southpaw, I will get one for my x fusion post as the standard one is shite, cant wait to get this marzocchi dropper as its the offset head that makes it more appealing than the reverb
  • 4 1
 + sized tires ride like crap, why is this becoming popular????
  • 6 1
 They've realized that most of the mtb community is slow on normal bikes, won't mind being slow on 27.5+ and fat bikes, and will make it into yet another cult (ala the early 29er days...)
  • 1 0
 Your probably right
  • 1 0
 I love Marzo products and I was willing to buy their bla bla don't remember name new shock, but it takes light years then their stuff reaches the market.
  • 1 1
 That's what I expected. Only news about Marzocchi is when it does something in-line with new "standard".
Marzocchi as a "dumb standard" perception warmer is actually working...where can I get this? ;]
  • 1 0
 I'm disappointed I've not read "speaking as an engineer.." yet, which I sincerely hope becomes a true mtb meme akin to the evergreen 'looks like a Trek'
  • 1 0
 I bought a new bike, it came with marzocchi forks. They broke. Sent for repair. 3 weeks later...... Returned 'fixed' but, they are damaged further Great job guys!
  • 5 3
 I was really hoping for a 44 rc3 ti in 26 with a 20mm axle
  • 2 0
 yes please!
  • 1 0
 Yeah, i'll have one too please
  • 1 0
 What are the chances that those new seals will be backwards compatible with older forks like the 55?
  • 1 1
 The new seals will not be backwards compatible, because forks like the 55 had 36mm stanchions, Marzocchi now switched to 35mm to save some weight.
  • 2 0
 FuzzyL my 55, and all others have 35mm stanchions, so they may be compatible just depends on if the casting is the same.
  • 4 2
 I'm sure the fork is butter, but the crown looks like an afterthought.
  • 3 0
 Agree, where is the "M" from my old Z1 x-fly.
  • 3 1
 They dropped the 'm' because it made for a heavier/weaker set of lowers.
  • 1 0
 Figured it was something like that, does not change the fact that it looked unique, and in my opinion, mean (I think I am dating myself with the fork reference and the slang).
  • 5 4
 I was a big fan of Marzocchi until I just saw they have made a fork for this piece of shit of a wheel size.
  • 4 0
 Don't blame Marz for making this sized fork, blame the frame manufacturers for making this sized bike. Marz has to make components to fit those guys bikes, not the other way around.
  • 2 1
 No sorry I will blame Marz as they shouldn't have jumped on the ridiculous band wagon of this 27.5+ total, compete and utter shit! It's bollox
  • 3 0
 Nope, no sale....
  • 1 0
 To run that post do u have to drill a hole in the frame and thread the cable through that?
  • 1 0
 Why the excitement on the cable attachment for the dropper post? Thomson already has this feature on theirs.
  • 1 1
 Considering the rumour is that the Marzocchi factory is shutting down shortly, I wonder if this product will ever see the light of day?
  • 1 0
 Another sexy fork from Zokes. Keep them coming.
  • 1 0
 Ah u remember zones too and that they make marzocchi lowers aswell
  • 1 0
 Zokes I ment
  • 2 1
 best forks on the market imo way to go marzocchi,please make a fatty fork!
  • 1 0
 This fork is not the design of a Marzocchi
  • 1 1
 "Marzocchi's new single-lip oil and dust seals that are said to greatly reduce friction."

NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!!1!
  • 1 0
 Sexi
  • 1 1
 them forks would be sweet if it wasnt for the silly matt finish
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