Double-Decker Bus Gets a Trial Run

bus Darrayle Williams, 50, a New York City Transit driver, will be testing a double-decker bus for the next 30 days. (Photo: David Goldman for The New York Times)

Updated and corrected, 9:20 p.m. |New York City Transit officials unveiled a new behemoth double-decker bus today that will cruise city streets in a 30-day trial run. The two-story vehicles have not been in wide use for everyday public transit since 1953, although they did make a brief, limited return in the 1970s.

Beginning on Thursday, the 13-foot-tall, 45-foot-long, 81-seat bus will alternate service on local and express bus routes: BxM3 from Yonkers to Manhattan, the X17J between Staten Island and Manhattan, the M15 limited on First and Second Avenues, and possibly the M5 along Fifth Avenue (if the tree pruning along the bus lane goes well).

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority plans to talk with the driver and passengers to gauge how the bus handles in city traffic and how customers react.

“This is not just a show,” Howard H. Roberts Jr., president of New York City Transit, said at a news conference on Monday. “It’s not a movement to titillate the public.”

The agency, a unit of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, is considering bringing back the double-decker bus in light of increased ridership and the mounting cost of gas, said Elliot G. Sander, director and chief executive of the M.T.A.

Once the on-board lavatory is removed, the double-decker will seat 83 passengers, compared to the 62 seats on the New Flyer articulated buses, the long buses with the accordionlike middle.

The new bus also has a low floor, eliminating the need for a wheelchair lift. Mr. Sander said the new buses, which will run on ultra low sulfur diesel, are expected to run more efficiently overall and help the M.T.A. reduce its carbon footprint.

“There is a very real chance that New Yorkers will see this in the future,” Mr. Sander said at Monday’s press conference. “We hope it passes the test.”

If the one-month trial goes well, New York City Transit will move to the second phase trial, actually buying a number of the double-decker buses.

The bus used for the trial is on loan from the ABC Bus Company, which partners with the Belgian manufacturer, Van Hool, to distribute models in North America. Each double-decker costs roughly $650,000, said Mr. Sander, compared to the $900,000 price tag on the city’s current articulated bus.

One of the main reasons double-decker buses were discontinued in the 1950s, Mr. Roberts said, was that there weren’t enough manufacturers competing in the United States market to update and improve the mechanics and keep costs reasonable.

“Unless you build your own bus, you’re a victim of the market,” Mr. Roberts said.

If things go well with the double-decker, the city hopes that other manufacturers will take notice to an emerging market and develop competing models that can meet New York City’s standards and handle the harsh operating conditions.

In addition to the practical benefits, there also seems to be a bit of nostalgia motivating the transportation executives at the news conference.

They brought along the “Queen Mary,” a relic double-decker that operated along Fifth Avenue routes between 1938 and 1953. The ripped vinyl seats, sloping aisle and grandmother’s-house smell was a stark contrast with the sleek modern version parked in front of it along Madison Square Park.

As the driver, Darrayle Williams, 50, took a group of reporters for a spin in Midtown Manhattan on Monday, some pedestrians looked up, puzzled.

Mr. Williams is used to the befuddled expressions. “They’re aghast,” he said. “They’re like, ‘Is this the bus of the future?’”

old busesTwo-level buses ran regularly in Manhattan from early in the 20th century until 1953, and made a brief, limited return in the 1970s. (Photo: The New York Times)

Correction
Because of an editing error, an earlier version of this article neglected to mention that New York City briefly put eight double-decker buses on the road again in the 1970s, as noted in the above caption. The article has been revised to reflect this correction.

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I think this is a great idea. With the rising fuel cost,, more people can ride and less gas will be wasted. The number of passengers taking mass transportation is rising , so some changes should be implicated to keep service running smoothly. Overall this seems like a win , win situation.

I seem to remember smallish double decker buses on 5th Ave. maybe in the late 1970’s or early 80’s Where did they go?

Finally…our suffering on those horrible double-length buses might come to an end. Also they are really dreadful in heavy traffic when the drivers decide to run red lights.

This is a terrific idea. I look forward to seeing them go into regular service and hope this new strong embrace of public transit is permanent.

Just don’t get high and drunk and stand on the seats while the bus is in operation. Y’all heard about what happened in D.C., with them two cats getting their domes split on the freeway…

DD’s might work as Express Buses but if you put them on regular routes it’ll be the opposite of the situation on the tourist ones. Riders will prefer to stand down below than sit up top and risk missing their stop.

I hope this goes over well. Fuel savings, easy access for handicapped, I HOPE they make more spots for chairs to be placed on the busses as well. Only problem could be the hight. If other cities didn’t have bridges and lower lines this would be a great solution to the annoying articulated busses in other metro areas.

After a week mostly spent in Edinburgh, Scotland, and riding a few miles in their magnificent double-deckers in early August, I had to wonder why American big cities weren’t using them. The UK buses are remarkably quiet with gentle rides. They are also remarkable for their agility on narrow streets and sharp turns. Perhaps it’s a shorter wheel base that accomplishes that. But they haul an awful lot of people, especially during the August Edinburgh Festival.

The M5 route would probably be a mistake unless it is just limited to 5th Ave.
The rest of the run, especially on Riverside Drive, would probably not be cost effective. These buses are lightly used as it is. How about the M104, which
seems to be well used most of the time.

I welcome anything that makes NYCs public transport system more efficient. I have always used it and I believe the amount of single passenger (personal car) traffic in certain parts of Manhattan and the boroughs is absurd and should be restricted.

Unless you run them on routes where fares are pre-paid, the dwell time will be awful as people march up an down to the top. I guarantee it won’t work.

In Irish cities we’ve had double-deckers since the bus was invented. You’ll love them for your commute and short city trips. Make sure the city has plenty of Bus Lanes so they can get through the traffic jams. Upstairs is always better, quieter and the feeling of floating over all the other traffic.

There were 4 double-deckers used in the mid-to-late 70’s — 2 each on the M4 and M5 routes. They were British importants, and apparently the heat was strong enough for us NYers, and the buses didn;t fare well on our pothole-covered streets. But they were fun while they lasted!

Hope the front windows open. Riding the bus in the morning, with the top front window open is one of the most wonderful feelings, if there is no traffic. On the flipside, the first seat on the top affords a lot of privacy for them lovebirds!

I second Edward, #12. Front seats on the upper deck are wonderful.

Yes! Why not also make some significant changes to really help the bus situation – ie – regular – enforced – clear bus lanes, exit ONLY from the rear of the bus to eliminate wasteful juggling upfront – or better yet adopt the BX system everywhere where you pay before you get on and all the doors are open at every stop for quick loading and unloading.

The biggest problem with the buses is their speed (or lack thereof.) Sometimes I feel like I could walk to Kansas City faster than riding a cross-town bus in Manhattan.

On Staten Island, this is going to be an excuse to send us X-buses even less frequently than they do now. Be prepared to see lines of up to 50 people waiting at the X17J stops on 5th Avenue trying to go home during rush hour. Now, we have to wait up to 1/2 hour sometimes for a bus home if a driver goes sick. I anticipate waits of up to 1 hour with the new buses after they slash the schedule because “the new buses hold more people so they can send fewer of them.”

I think the benefit of a smaller footprint in busy traffic can’t be overstated. Having a doubledecker instead of an articulated bus is the traffic equivalent of halving your fleet.

One question – will the greater weight per wheel tear up the asphalt that much faster? As it is you could surf the ridges that rise up along the fifth avenue bus routes.

I grew up with double deckers on 5th Ave (which was then still a two way street!). They were wonderful. Get rid of the articulated monstrosities which tie up traffic and are a menace to pedestrians.

I recall the old 5th Avenue double-deckers with great delight. But especially the open-air tops
in the spring, summer and fall. They would be especially helpful in speeding up cross-town traffic where the articulating buses are a total
mess. While you’re at it, how about bringing back
the Broadway and 42nd Street trolleys?

There were numerous double decker buses in the 1970’s that ran on Riverside Drive route. I used to take them to school and they were manufactured by British Leyland. I used to enjoy riding on them. I hope this new test is successful.

It will be fine (and quite a novelty) for long express routes. I don’t see it working well at all in other cases, too much time wasted while people get on and off. I hope they’ll leave some sound insulation in, and leave out the junk that rattles so horribly on the standard busses.

Crosstowns, as they stand now, block traffic so badly they effectively slow each other down. They often sit and wait at green lights. Crosstowns would hardly do better with car-free bus lanes, especially the articulateds. It’s the buses themselves that cause the slowness.

Now,if we can only get fare-takers to stroll the aisles of these buses, like those in London.

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Another reason the double deckers in the ’70s didn’t last is that they were, indeed, British imports and the Irish mechanics in the Manhattan and Bronx bus division refused to work on them. Mike Quill’s revenge.

Yes they might be quieter, more efficient, more comfortable and hold more people, but they’re new and operated by the MTA, so we might as well give up and all just walk. Or stay home. Or move to some other city where everything is more wonderful and chocolate bunnies hop through parks.

Come on!

A suggestion: Can the upstairs be a bar car after 11am?