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    Matthew Trueblood

    Admittedly, the Minnesota Twins' longtime right fielder was off to a rough start in 2024. Nonetheless, now that he's landed on the injured list for at least another week's stay, the magnitude of the void he leaves in the lineup feels vast.

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    Since he hit his stride in the middle of 2023, it has been up to Max Kepler to deliver a certain element of opportunism and danger to the Twins lineup. When Royce Lewis has been available and when Byron Buxton has been within a Sunday drive of healthy, they've added to that dynamic, but Kepler quietly became the centerpiece of the Minnesota attack late last season, precisely because he made opposing pitchers pay for coming into the meat of the strike zone against him. The Twins have grinders and they have sluggers, but they're short on pure hit tool even on their best days. With Kepler down, they're woefully short on it.

    At a surface level, bringing in Carlos Santana this winter made sense. It was even one way to ameliorate the problem outlined above. I praised that move at the time, on the premise that Santana (who has a long and decorated service record in the big leagues and has nearly always found ways to get on base and fatten up the heart of a team's batting order) would balance the team's strikeout-besotted, subtly sclerotic collection of bats. Santana not only draws walks at one of the best rates in baseball, but avoids strikeouts surprisingly well--at least, that's been the story throughout that long career, stretching up even to last season.

    It might be turning from a news story to a fairytale, though, fading into memory and legend before our very eyes. Santana still knows better than to expand his strike zone, but he's losing the ability to adequately defend it when pitchers come right after him. Given that he just turned 38 years old, it's fair to wonder whether he'll ever recover that capacity.

    Consider a fistful of players, based on how often they swing at pitches that are well within the strike zone (those having a 99-percent or higher called strike probability; basically, every bit of the zone except edges and corners) and how often they make contact on those swings. 

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    These aren't borderline pitches, so there's extremely low utility in watching them go by. Maybe you're holding out for a pitch in your preferred part of the zone, or were sitting on a particular pitch type and are willing to wait and see if you get it next, but in a vacuum, the more you swing at these pitches, the better. Obviously, it's not good to whiff on pitches in this zone, either. Whiffing at stuff outside the zone can be ok; it spares you weak and unproductive contact. But when the ball is thrown where all the ones considered in this data set were, you should always want your swing to connect. Corey Seager swings the most at these pitches. Mookie Betts whiffs the least often. That, alone, should tell you where you want to be on this chart: lower, and farther right.

    Hey, look, there's a friendly face there! Kepler didn't watch strikes go by during the second half last year, and when he swung, he hardly ever missed. That's a sign of a hitter who's locked in, and who is ready to do damage. It's the combination of proactive and skilled that Kepler worked toward for years, as he followed his breakout in 2019 with some frustrating campaigns. He's keeping good company on that part of the chart, including old friend Luis Arráez.

    Being in the lower left quadrant is second-best, because the less you whiff, the more selective you can afford to be. There, I've highlighted a few players who were free agents this winter. but whom the Twins didn't bring in, for one reason or another--or a few million others, as the case might be in places. Justin Turner, Tommy Pham, and Randal Grichuk all nestle into the lower left side of the graph. Grichuk might have some big strikeout problems, but they don't come on pitches in the zone. When he gets his pitch, he rarely misses it, either by not offering at it or by not making contact.

    Matt Wallner is the most whiff-prone hitter in baseball, on pitches inside the zone, but he does mimic Kepler in his eagerness to attack them. The rest of the Twins, though, reside in a medium-sized cluster just on the wrong side of average. Carlos Correa is good at making contact on these pitches, but he's more the relentlessly patient, exacting type than the pouncing slugger the good version of Kepler can be. Meanwhile, in this particular way of looking at things, Santana doesn't bring anything especially new to the team. He's strikingly similar to both Willi Castro and Edouard Julien.

    To fully understand what we're looking at, though, we have to know not only how often a batter swings and how often that swing finds its target, but how cleanly that's done--in other words, how much value he generates when he does make contact. This time, we'll only highlight Kepler and Santana.

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    Oh no. This time, the top right is definitely the best quadrant to be in, and Kepler is there again. He hits the ball hard with above-average frequency, and keeps it in the most productive possible launch angle band in the process. When he's swinging at pitches well inside the zone, he does damage.

    Santana? Not so much. The league hammers these pitches, because they're pitches with plenty of the plate. The standard is very high, but the fact is that Santana isn't meeting it. His ability to drive the ball is deserting him in old age, leaving him open to pitchers pounding the strike zone without fear.

    Absent Kepler, the Twins will need Santana more than ever, but he hasn't looked up to the task so far this season. His bat looks slow. He's only going to deliver a fairly empty (though creditable) on-base percentage, unless and until he finds some way to unlock the power and productivity he's enjoyed within the zone in the past. Last summer, he traded some of his previously inviolate bat control to get to a little more power, and it worked. Now, he'll need to assess whether he can make the same trade twice, or whether some other adjustment is due. In either case, don't expect things to be smooth while Kepler is gone.

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    Comparing Santana to Kepler makes no sense.  Let's pick Santana to make Kepler look like a stud.  From 2020 - post all star break last year, Kepler was brutal and everyone wanted to kick him to the curb.  He had 3 good months, showed nothing in spring training and was 1 for 20 with a single to start the season.  The talk was no shifts will benefit him and did it work? Absolutely not.  Santana isn't or wasn't to be a solution to Kepler.  Wallner was the heir apparent as Larnach couldn't grasp opportunity.  

    Good analysis but wrong to say Santana was to replace it.  

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    How I feel today... is exactly how I felt last year and this off-season. Nothing has changed because my concerns haven't been addressed. Only offensive performance will alleviate my concerns. 

    You can put Rocco's utilization into two buckets. Don't let talent or performance confuse you on who goes into what bucket. Playing time is what determines what bucket you belong in. With two catchers taken out of the mix. With 6 players locked into a platoon. That leaves 5 players who will play nearly every day and therefore get the most plate appearances. 

    Bucket 1. Those who play against both left and right handed pitchers and therefore get the most trips to the plate.  

    Bucket 2. Those who are part of a left/right platoon and therefore those who get less trips to the plate.  

    On opening day coming out of the off-season this is how the roster was allocated into those buckets. 

    Group 1: Correa, Buxton, Lewis, Kepler and Santana. 

    Group 2: Kirilloff, Julien, Wallner, Farmer, Margot and Castro. 

    Anyone can argue that they think Kirilloff, Julien or Wallner belongs in group 1 from a talent standpoint and I actually may agree with you. Talent doesn't matter because it takes playing time and plate appearances to get into Group 1. As long as Kirilloff, Julien and Wallner are on the bench against left handed starters and taken out of the game in the middle innings when a left hander comes into the game. Kirilloff, Julien and Wallner can never be group 1. 5 players will need to be designated most every day guys in order to support 6 players being platooned. 

    Here lies the problem in my eyes. The problem is Group 1. It was last year, it was a problem in the off-season and it's a problem today.

    Look at the opening day group 1: 

    Player 1. Lewis is a superstar and absolutely belongs. 

    Players 2 and 3: Buxton and Correa also absolutely belong although everyone should be aware that how they performed last year does not qualify them for what a team needs out of every day guys.  

    Player 4: Kepler had an incredible 2nd half that belongs in the group 1 for any team in the majors. However for 2.5 years prior to that incredible 2nd half last year. Kepler was not that good and a group two guy at best.   

    Player 5: Santana is a big problem in my opinion. He has not had a Group 1 type offensive season since 2019. There is no way that Carlos Santana belongs in group 1 playing nearly every day yet that is what we are asking of him once he basically replaced Jorge Polanco on the roster. 

    As for group two... We got lots of those guys. Real nice depth here. The type of depth that winning teams can be built upon and we got capable guys behind those guys. 

    Once Lewis went down... Castro moved up into group 1. Does Castro belong in Group 1? He's there... he needs to play like he belongs there. So now with Kepler out... Who moves into group 1. We are going to find out regardless of who it is... We are going to be playing that guy along with Santana and Castro like they Mookie Betts. 

    So... to address the article.

    Can Santana replace Kepler? He isn't being asked to. He has his own major role in the lineup to worry about. The real questions are

    1. Can Martin, Miranda, Margot or Farmer replace Kepler as a deserving every day guy. 

    2. Can Santana have a resurgence at age 38 to deserve nearly every day playing time and if he doesn't... how long will he be allowed to stay in group 1, play nearly every day and not deserve it. 

    3. Did we really need to trade a group 1 guy like Polanco for two bucket #2 pieces? We had a lot of those group two guys. 

    4. Will they ever get to the point where Rocco says... "I've got nobody else and we are going to have to slam Kirilloff or Julien or Wallner into an every day role.     

     

     

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    21 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

    Can Santana replace Kepler? He isn't being asked to. He has his own major role in the lineup to worry about. The real questions are

    1. Can Martin, Miranda, Margot or Farmer replace Kepler as a deserving every day guy. 

    2. Can Santana have a resurgence at age 38 to deserve nearly every day playing time and if he doesn't... how long will he be allowed to stay in group 1, play nearly every day and not deserve it. 

    3. Did we really need to trade a group 1 guy like Polanco for two bucket #2 pieces? We had a lot of those group two guys. 

    4. Will they ever get to the point where Rocco says... "I've got nobody else and we are going to have to slam Kirilloff or Julien or Wallner into an every day role.     

     

     

    Reasonable questions. 

    1. I think my biggest issue with this one is that all of the hitters you named are RH and 2 of them are not OF (Farmer can play there, but it shouldn't be anyone's first or second choice and Miranda has never played the position). I do think Miranda and Martin have the ability to be every day players, but as 1 for 1 replacements for Kepler it's a different fit.

    2. I fear (and believed from the start) that the answer to the first part of this is no. And my biggest concern every time we sign a veteran like this is that the sunk cost fallacy will rear it's ugly head and we'll stick with them far past their sell-date in order to try and recoup some value. (Of course, I was also one of the people who thought Kepler had fallen into that boat and was ready to dump him in June, and felt only Gallo's presence as the first to be cut and other injuries made it ok for him to keep his job. His second half was the flip side of this argument and I was proven wrong)

    3. I loved Polanco and didn't want him to go. (He's having a dreadful start to his season in Seattle though) But he made the most sense to move with his contract and the depth we have coming up at 2B. Did we make the right deal? Maybe not, but what else was out there? We'll never know. 

    4. Kirilloff is pretty much in an every day role right now. he's second only to Buxton and Correa in PA's and has played in every game. he's had little opportunity against LHP so far, but I'd bet he'll get more chances if he keeps murdering RHP and being the best offensive player in the lineup. Part desperation, part performance? I think part of what they're doing with Kirilloff is trying to keep him healthy, and it's not unreasonable to sit him against a lefty starter if you are trying to manage his playing time a bit to keep him healthy. He's always hit when he's been right, and every time he falls apart at the plate there's been an injury in play, so trying to manage him for health does make sense.

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    I said at the time they signed Santana he should be more of a platoon player hitting against lefties with AK playing 1st against righties. Granted, Santana is a better defensive 1st baseman than AK, but how does anyone expect AK's defense to improve if he doesn't get the reps? As far as RF goes either try to ride it out with Wallner or send him down and try Larnach. I would also like to see Martin get more time. He may the type of hitter, a table setter, that this club could use.

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    17 minutes ago, jmlease1 said:

    Reasonable questions. 

    1. I think my biggest issue with this one is that all of the hitters you named are RH and 2 of them are not OF (Farmer can play there, but it shouldn't be anyone's first or second choice and Miranda has never played the position). I do think Miranda and Martin have the ability to be every day players, but as 1 for 1 replacements for Kepler it's a different fit.

    2. I fear (and believed from the start) that the answer to the first part of this is no. And my biggest concern every time we sign a veteran like this is that the sunk cost fallacy will rear it's ugly head and we'll stick with them far past their sell-date in order to try and recoup some value. (Of course, I was also one of the people who thought Kepler had fallen into that boat and was ready to dump him in June, and felt only Gallo's presence as the first to be cut and other injuries made it ok for him to keep his job. His second half was the flip side of this argument and I was proven wrong)

    3. I loved Polanco and didn't want him to go. (He's having a dreadful start to his season in Seattle though) But he made the most sense to move with his contract and the depth we have coming up at 2B. Did we make the right deal? Maybe not, but what else was out there? We'll never know. 

    4. Kirilloff is pretty much in an every day role right now. he's second only to Buxton and Correa in PA's and has played in every game. he's had little opportunity against LHP so far, but I'd bet he'll get more chances if he keeps murdering RHP and being the best offensive player in the lineup. Part desperation, part performance? I think part of what they're doing with Kirilloff is trying to keep him healthy, and it's not unreasonable to sit him against a lefty starter if you are trying to manage his playing time a bit to keep him healthy. He's always hit when he's been right, and every time he falls apart at the plate there's been an injury in play, so trying to manage him for health does make sense.

    Good post and very Reasonable Responses. But... I will counter for discussion purposes. 

    1. Defense is something that I'm not really factoring in. I'm looking at it primarily via the offense. I get your point however, replacing Kepler's everyday plate appearances doesn't have to be direct. It can be indirect because Kirilloff and Castro can play OF. Clearing Infield space along with the DH spot to allow Farmer to replace Kepler's AB's. I only really named the Right Handers as candidates because the Right Handers are not platooned as hard. It's the left handed hitters that Rocco is consistently keep away from the same hand. 

    2. You and I both on Kepler... We were wrong but also right at the same time because we had to absorb 2.5 years of not so good play to get to that amazing half season. And we can still be right if Kepler reverts back to the Kepler that struggles for 2.5 years and we are now looking at 2024 concerns. But, Yeah he was amazing in the 2nd half and we need that Kepler again to fill the role of every day guy. On Santana... This is always my fear with these mid-level vets. Especially those with one year deals. Will they be allowed to struggle, keep playing and take us down with them? If you are struggling and not coming back next year. I would have a quick trigger. 

    3. On Polanco... We did not have to trade him because of our depth now or in the future. Santana sliding into an every day role illustrates that as loudly as possible. Lewis out for two months... illustrates that as loudly as possible. Injuries that are going to occur in the future illustrates that as loudly as possible. Julien not facing left handers illustrates that as loudly as possible. We didn't have to trade him because of depth. If we had to trade him because of budgets... OK... I understand however, we spend his money on Santana and Margot. So it's a wash. I would have kept Polanco. 

    4. I don't mind the occasional day off for Kirilloff against left handers. I also don't mind maintenance days for him or anyone. However, until he starts against a left hander like Kepler has, until he isn't replaced mid-game when a left hander enters the game like Kepler isn't replaced. He can't be considered every day or a candidate for Bucket #1.

    To my knowledge... Kirilloff is still a platoon guy.  

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    While we need a replacement for the second half of last season Kepler, I think we may have that in a healthy Kirilloff. So far, Kepler has not been that replacement and the 2.5 years prior to last July suggest he is at best a 50/50 shot to be that guy. I wanted to DFA Kepler in June, 2023, and then really enjoyed Max's 2023 second half. I think it is unlikely and perhaps very unlikely that we will see that again.  

    The replacement for Kepler is Kirilloff, with Kepler back to being the no. 7/8 hitter he's always been. What we need is a #5 hitter who can play either 1B, DH, or OF.  None of the older guys can be that guy - Margot, Santana, or Farmer - and Castro has been around long enough that we now know he's not an MLB regular, he's a good UTL. The hope was Wallner would take the step to be that guy if Kepler regressed back to his mean. Wallner  hasn't and likely won't the first half of this year. He needs to go back to AAA, clear his head, and fix his swing. 

    Where does that leave us? We need one of Miranda, Martin, Larnach, or Keirsey to step up and be that guy or it's going to be a long season. I like the fact that we're giving some ABs now to Martin and Miranda. I hope they play every day through this tough stretch of schedule so we can assess what they bring to the table.  I would send Wallner down and promote Keirsey or Larnach now while Kepler is out. I would then play the promoted every day in RF with Martin in LF, Kirilloff at 1B or DH, and Miranda at 3B or DH. Santana, Margot, and Castro can play 2-3 days a week in advantageous matchups. 

    NOW is the time to do this. We need to know if this team can compete without Lewis. Santana, Margot, and Castro aren't going to tell us that; they aren't good enough.  We need to see if Miranda, Martin, Larnach and/or Keirsey are.     

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    56 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

    How I feel today... is exactly how I felt last year and this off-season. Nothing has changed because my concerns haven't been addressed. Only offensive performance will alleviate my concerns. 

    You can put Rocco's utilization into two buckets. Don't let talent or performance confuse you on who goes into what bucket. Playing time is what determines what bucket you belong in. With two catchers taken out of the mix. With 6 players locked into a platoon. That leaves 5 players who will play nearly every day and therefore get the most plate appearances. 

    Bucket 1. Those who play against both left and right handed pitchers and therefore get the most trips to the plate.  

    Bucket 2. Those who are part of a left/right platoon and therefore those who get less trips to the plate.  

    On opening day coming out of the off-season this is how the roster was allocated into those buckets. 

    Group 1: Correa, Buxton, Lewis, Kepler and Santana. 

    Group 2: Kirilloff, Julien, Wallner, Farmer, Margot and Castro. 

    Anyone can argue that they think Kirilloff, Julien or Wallner belongs in group 1 from a talent standpoint and I actually may agree with you. Talent doesn't matter because it takes playing time and plate appearances to get into Group 1. As long as Kirilloff, Julien and Wallner are on the bench against left handed starters and taken out of the game in the middle innings when a left hander comes into the game. Kirilloff, Julien and Wallner can never be group 1. 5 players will be need to be designated most every day guys in order to support 6 players being platooned. 

    Here lies the problem in my eyes. The problem is Group 1. It was last year, it was a problem in the off-season and it's a problem today.

    Look at the opening day group 1: 

    Player 1. Lewis is a superstar and absolutely belongs. 

    Players 2 and 3: Buxton and Correa also absolutely belong although everyone should be aware that how they performed last year does not qualify them for what a team needs out of every day guys.  

    Player 4: Kepler had an incredible 2nd half that belongs in the group 1 for any team in the majors. However for 2.5 years prior to that incredible 2nd half last year. Kepler was not that good and a group two guy at best.   

    Player 5: Santana is a big problem in my opinion. He has not had a Group 1 type offensive season since 2019. There is no way that Carlos Santana belongs in group 1 playing nearly every day yet that is what we are asking of him once he basically replaced Jorge Polanco on the roster. 

    As for group two... We got lots of those guys. Real nice depth here. The type of depth that winning teams can't be built upon and we got capable guys behind those guys. 

    Once Lewis went down... Castro moved up into group 1. Does Castro belong in Group 1? He's there... he needs to play like he belongs there. So now with Kepler out... Who moves into group 1. We are going to find out regardless of who it is... We are going to be playing that guy along with Santana and Castro like they Mookie Betts. 

    So... to address the article.

    Can Santana replace Kepler? He isn't being asked to. He has his own major role in the lineup to worry about. The real questions are

    1. Can Martin, Margot or Farmer replace Kepler as a deserving every day guy. 

    2. Can Santana have a resurgence at age 38 to deserve nearly every day playing time and if he doesn't... how long will he be allowed to stay in group 1, play nearly every day and not deserve it. 

    3. Did we really need to trade a group 1 guy like Polanco for two bucket #2 pieces? We had a lot of those group two guys. 

    4. Will they ever get to the point where Rocco says... "I've got nobody else and we are going to have to slam Kirilloff or Julien or Wallner into an every day role.     

    1. Martin for sure can be an everyday player & eventually lead off.

    2. I was against signing Santana over playing Julien, Kiriloff & Miranda at 1B.

    3. From the beginning, I was against trading (group 1) Polanco  

    4. Kiriloff is a pure hitter IMO should be in the line-up every day, whether it's 1B, OF or DH

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    Just now, nicksaviking said:

    Could have had Justin Turner had the Twins not dragged out the largely fruitless Polanco trade so long that he signed elsewhere.

    I hope this past offseason shows the front office the dangers of trying to make all of your moves in the last minutes before spring training starts.

    Good luck with that

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    This offseason, I figured that MLB would adjust to Kepler & it'd be hard for Kepler to readjust. Losing Kepler at this point is no loss. With 20 ABs he has SO 6Xs, has hit 0 HRs, triples or even doubles. I was against signing Santana, he's been a waste of money & time taken away from Julien, Kiriloff & Miranda at 1B,

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    Who thinks defensive metrics trump all else. Twinkle toes Kepler isn't a great RF. He's adequate. He seldom goes all out.  Santana and Gallo are solid but if they can't hit they better be extraordinary defensively. Like Taylor is.There's a reason defensive replacements usually happen late in games. It's to get the most out of the better hitters. If defense was more important it would be the other way around.

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    2 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

    1. Martin for sure can be an everyday player & eventually lead off.

    2. I was against signing Santana over playing Julien, Kiriloff & Miranda at 1B.

    3. From the beginning, I was against trading (group 1) Polanco  

    4. Kiriloff is a pure hitter IMO should be in the line-up every day, whether it's 1B, OF or DH

    1. I hope you right and I'd like to see if he could be. However... he watched others be the guy from the bench for 4 out of the first 5 games.

    2, I was also not a fan. 

    3. After it is all said and done. I believe we are a better team in 2024 with Polanco and Martin for example on the roster over Santana and Margot... And... And... we'd still have your guy Noah Miller in the organization. 

    4. Young Left handed hitters should get the same opportunity to be an every day guy as others not cursed with such a disease... for many reasons with development being at the top of the list of reasons why.  

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    They're both terrible. Why we signed Santana is beyond me, and we blew the chance to trade Kepler before this season started. He wouldn't get us a bag of chips in a trade now. 

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    Personally, I've always been of the opinion Santana was signed not just because he could play  a good 1B, or bring in a quality, veteran presence, but because the FO were simply unsure about Kirilloff and Miranda. And I get that! Both are still relatively young and talented and could be part of this team for the next few years at least. But both were also coming off shoulder surgery. 

    Again, I get the Santana signing. There is a real logic to it based on those circumstances. I still would have gone a different direction. Maybe Polanco as the primary 1B, or at least part of the mix? 

    I have all the respect in the world for Santana as a ballplayer and presence. He's had a nice career. And he's a perfect example of how we view production ballplayers these days. He was never a good AVG hitter. But he was always one of the hardest batters to K, he walked a lot to maintain a solid/good OB%, and he had good power to drive in runs. 

    And while I don't think he's a direct replacement for Kepler in any real scenario here...especially since he's been far less of a LH bat for his career than from the RH side so I don't really see the comp...I was OK with his signing if used "properly". Used as a 1B against LHP, used as a PH against LFP, used as a late inning defensive replacement 1B, his one year of tenure with the Twins at $4M-ish is  just fine. 

    Once again with respect, he's just not the same ballplayer he was a few years ago despite a bit of a resurgence in 2023. I keep hearing about his battles at the plate and the great OB% he give you. But in the past 3 years his combined OB% was a rather pedestrian .317. His 3 year SLG % is .382. And his OPS in that time frame is .697. None of those are great numbers, and all are well below his career numbers. And those numbers INCLLUDE his surprising uptick in 2023 at age 37yo.

    His career numbers have him with a AVG and OPS 50 points worse as a LH bat than as a RH one. His OB% and SLG % are about 25 points less each. 

    I can't see a logical argument for sitting so many young LH bats against LHP this early in their careers...not all at once anyway...but then make an argument for a 38yo veteran playing daily, when, even as a switch hitter, he is so much worse from one side of the plate. 

    I DON'T hold a poor start to 2024 against him, just as I don't for Wallner or anyone else. We're only 10 games in! I hope he suddenly gets hot and does well. But I DO worry about the mentioned "sunk cost" veteran affect like we saw with Gallo last year. Kirilloff is off to a great start, and I think it will continue as long as he stays healthy. There is optimism that Miranda is on the way back. And Santana can play a viable and important role on this team as long as it's playing to his strengths, and not his weaknesses over other, younger, talented players, simply because he's a veteran.

     

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    7 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

    1. Martin for sure can be an everyday player & eventually lead off.

    2. I was against signing Santana over playing Julien, Kiriloff & Miranda at 1B.

    3. From the beginning, I was against trading (group 1) Polanco  

    4. Kiriloff is a pure hitter IMO should be in the line-up every day, whether it's 1B, OF or DH

    1} I think the jury is still out on how good Martin can be. I think he's a nice role player at worst. At his best, he can start in LF, cover CF, maybe play a little 2B here and there, and play every day as a top of the order hitter, along with Julien, and help set the table with OB% and speed. I know I want him to get the chance to prove himself.

    2} I don't think I would have signed Santana. I would have gone a different direction, and there were a few different ways to go, but I never hated the signing. And I still don't, provided he's used to his strengths, and not given a veteran scholarship if he struggles.

    3} I think someone had to be traded and I think Polanco was the logical choice. I would have liked to have kept him as a 1B/2B/DH/PH/MAYBE occasional 3B, but he was the most logical guy to move to save a few $ and make a deal for an arm. But while I think Topa will end up being a nice add, and Gonzalez was a nice prospect to bring back, I only wanted Polanco moved in a deal that brought back a viable rotation arm, even if that meant adding another piece. It wasn't a horrible trade, but it's not the one I wanted to see made.

    4} Agree on Kirilloff. With his wrist now proven healthy, he's ready to establish the kind of career we all hoped for, just a little bit older than what and when we expected and thought would happen. I like that he's getting some OF time as well as I've never thought he was bad out there. He should absolutely be in the lineup most days, including at least some against LHP. 

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    4 hours ago, DocBauer said:

    Personally, I've always been of the opinion Santana was signed not just because he could play  a good 1B, or bring in a quality, veteran presence, but because the FO were simply unsure about Kirilloff and Miranda. And I get that! Both are still relatively young and talented and could be part of this team for the next few years at least. But both were also coming off shoulder surgery. 

    Again, I get the Santana signing. There is a real logic to it based on those circumstances. I still would have gone a different direction. Maybe Polanco as the primary 1B, or at least part of the mix? 

    I have all the respect in the world for Santana as a ballplayer and presence. He's had a nice career. And he's a perfect example of how we view production ballplayers these days. He was never a good AVG hitter. But he was always one of the hardest batters to K, he walked a lot to maintain a solid/good OB%, and he had good power to drive in runs. 

    And while I don't think he's a direct replacement for Kepler in any real scenario here...especially since he's been far less of a LH bat for his career than from the RH side so I don't really see the comp...I was OK with his signing if used "properly". Used as a 1B against LHP, used as a PH against LFP, used as a late inning defensive replacement 1B, his one year of tenure with the Twins at $4M-ish is  just fine. 

    Once again with respect, he's just not the same ballplayer he was a few years ago despite a bit of a resurgence in 2023. I keep hearing about his battles at the plate and the great OB% he give you. But in the past 3 years his combined OB% was a rather pedestrian .317. His 3 year SLG % is .382. And his OPS in that time frame is .697. None of those are great numbers, and all are well below his career numbers. And those numbers INCLLUDE his surprising uptick in 2023 at age 37yo.

    His career numbers have him with a AVG and OPS 50 points worse as a LH bat than as a RH one. His OB% and SLG % are about 25 points less each. 

    I can't see a logical argument for sitting so many young LH bats against LHP this early in their careers...not all at once anyway...but then make an argument for a 38yo veteran playing daily, when, even as a switch hitter, he is so much worse from one side of the plate. 

    I DON'T hold a poor start to 2024 against him, just as I don't for Wallner or anyone else. We're only 10 games in! I hope he suddenly gets hot and does well. But I DO worry about the mentioned "sunk cost" veteran affect like we saw with Gallo last year. Kirilloff is off to a great start, and I think it will continue as long as he stays healthy. There is optimism that Miranda is on the way back. And Santana can play a viable and important role on this team as long as it's playing to his strengths, and not his weaknesses over other, younger, talented players, simply because he's a veteran.

     

    They didn't trust the young guys last year, but when they had to promote them, they carried they team. Stop signing bad veterans. They clog everything up. 

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    Another classic example of over analyzing aspects of baseball to create a story.  The geek heads have taken over the sport these past few seasons and MLB isn't better for it.  The best thing about this article was use of the word ameliorate.  Well done.

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    Stats are way overblown during the first 20 games of a season. However, only time will tell if Santana can begin to display what his lifelong stats have been. As for other possible replacements, I'm not keen on any of them. Margot is serviceable, Miranda deserves a shot but hasn't gotten it, Martin could be the best bet, Wallner can't hit, Larnach gets a raw deal and the others we could have had aren't great shakes except maybe Turner. Heck, even Joey Gallo and Miguel Sano are hitting a little this early. It will all wash out eventually and Kepler will return but probably not to the stats he had in the last half of last year. Where's Gordon whom I would not have let go.

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