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Only One Man Can Stop the GOP From Breaking Apart Into Pieces, and That Man Is the Little-Loved Ted Cruz

Bumped.

Nate Silver: Don't assume most conservatives will rally to Trump's banner.


Via Hot Air, this observation which is kinda what I've been saying forever.

"For many Republicans, Trump is more than just a political choice," said Kevin Madden, a veteran operative who advised 2012 nominee Mitt Romney. "It's a litmus test for character."

Madden, like some of his peers, said he could never vote for Trump. If he is the nominee, Madden said, "I'm prepared to write somebody in so that I have a clear conscience."

Even if you think the vanity and preening of the Establishment/Respectable Upper Middle Class is silly, you cannot avoid the fact that it is a palpable and real fact on the ground, and it must be factored into one's considerations. People will not commit a political act which causes them to lose social face or reduce their own estimation of their social class, and that is what supporting Donald Trump represents for this class.

Of course, that isn't to say this accursed class should be capitulated to, either.


In a generally anti-Trump column, Angelo Codevilla says this about the ruling class:

America is now ruled by a uniformly educated class of persons that occupies the commanding heights of bureaucracy, of the judiciary, education, the media, and of large corporations, and that wields political power through the Democratic Party. Its control of access to prestige, power, privilege, and wealth exerts a gravitational pull that has made the Republican Party’s elites into its satellites.

This class's fatal feature is its belief that ordinary Americans are a lesser intellectual and social breed. Its increasing self-absorption, its growing contempt for whoever won’t bow to it, its dependence for votes on sectors of society whose grievances it stokes, have led it to break the most basic rule of republican life: deeming its opposition illegitimate.

Ben Domenech adds:

Democrats and Republicans who still think that this is a phase--a fever they just need to wait out before a return to normalcy -- are utterly delusional. They keep talking about voters "waking up" to realize that Trump is a bad choice – but the whole reason Trump is the choice is because voters believe they have woken up to the truth about the American leadership class.

There are two types of rulers:

1. Rulers who are politically adroit and who can sense the ground shifting beneath them and adapt themselves to the changes accordingly, and

2. Former rulers, deposed rulers.

The GOP "Smart Set" thinks being a Type 2 ruler is better than changing a thing.

I can't take the Rubio people who continue insisting on an All-Out Win for this class: The guy that most flatters that class' sense of what a Right Thinking Person ought to be, the guy who's still, to this day, very much pro-amnesty, in a year in which the party's base is showing they've had it up to their necks with one amnesty con after another.

They keep claiming to be the Smart Set, and to have "electability" in mind, but how do they get past the fact that if you nominate Rubio, a large fraction, maybe a full half, of Trump voters stay home or bolt for a third party?

They keep hand-waving that away with the magic of the biggest little word in the world, if. If Rubio should somehow squeak a victory, if Trump doesn't go third-party, if some other anti-immigration populist doesn't jump in to run third party, seeing an opening, if all those Crass and Uneducated Lower-Class Nonpeople finally respect the judgment of their better-educated Betters and simply fall in line...

Yeah, here's the thing: They won't. This is a full on class war now and you don't compromise your way out of class war by saying "Once again, we win everything, we decide everything, and you ignorant proles can go back to your dirty hovels and shut the f*** up. Vote GOP."

So we are either going to lose the Trump Wing of the party, or the Establishment Wing of the party -- either way, the party cracks in half, irreparably, and we get Hillary Clinton.

Unless the alleged Smart Set stops agitating for the candidate they Love, Love, Love because he's a polished member of their Class and accepts a candidate who they can live with, who, it turns out, is a candidate the Trump Wing doesn't love but could live with as well, because he's more anti-Establishment than Trump and also, at this point, firmer on the immigration issue than Trump too.

That candidate is Ted Cruz, of course.

No one really likes him, but then, no one would bolt the party over him, either, which is exactly what will happen if the nominee is Trump, and also what would happen if the party angles for a brokered convention and then tries to foist Amnesty Mario on us, too.

Wars and all, annoying sermonizing and all, Ted Cruz is the Least Worst Option of all of our bad options.

Go with anyone else, and the GOP is finished as a party. The GOP will become the party of the populist working class, with a lot of Democrat demands, and what's left of the GOP's upper-middle-class suburban set will have no choice but to drop its conservative social positions (which most of them don't seem to hold very strongly, anyway) and join the Democrats and Hillary.

That is the way it all works out.

And I'm tired of the fucking brain-dead stupidity of the hilariously named "Smart Set" being unable to see this simple truth.

Ted Cruz is revolutionary enough for the populists, without being too revolting for the Polite Set.

He is, quite literally -- and I've never said this before -- the only man who can save the party. The only man who can keep it together.

The only man who can actually defeat Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Ace at 01:40 PM




Comments

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1 Got one!

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 29, 2016 09:01 PM (OQ9R7)

2 Bleh

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 29, 2016 09:03 PM (TxRU7)

3 I get the feeling this post isn't for us morons (well, those of us who don't smell of catnip and ammonia), but is more for the guys visiting us from between Silver Spring, MD and Arlington, VA.

Well good. They should read this.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 29, 2016 09:05 PM (6FqZa)

4 I see Hillary and Donald as two ends of the same quid-pro-quo problem.

Both ends of a plutocratic quagmire

Posted by: James T Kirk at February 29, 2016 09:06 PM (e8kgV)

5 Yes. It's got a French Revolution feel to it, doesn't it?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 09:06 PM (oVJmc)

6 Yea well I'm voting for Cruz. DT is the last resort self destruct button.

Posted by: freaked at February 29, 2016 09:06 PM (BO/km)

7 I would vote for Cruz, Trump, or Hilary, in that order.

Posted by: West at February 29, 2016 09:06 PM (O/yCL)

8 Does anyone know how delegates are apportioned in the GOP? It's strange that TN has more delegates than VA despite a significantly smaller population.

Posted by: logprof at February 29, 2016 09:06 PM (i0qcw)

9 Ace,
I love Cruz!
Eff the other four losers.

Posted by: Carol at February 29, 2016 09:06 PM (sj3Ax)

10 Ted is the only one who represents that capital "T" I put in my nic. It isn't there for shits & giggles.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 29, 2016 09:06 PM (OQ9R7)

11 Somebody needs to post The Rules again.

Not only is there a stinkload of personal attacking going on, people are starting to sock regulars again.

Somebody, somewhere *has to* find a way to shorten primary season, every single new one is dumber.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 29, 2016 09:06 PM (bLnSU)

12 True.

I really think that they believe that people, when it comes down to it, will hold their nose and vote for Rubio. If for no other reason than a hate vote against Hillary!

Odd to think that Bernie might get fewer conservatives to the polls.

I think they are either wish-casting, or just REALLY believe that this is the best way to go. We have a whole lot of bad reasoning going on on the part of a LOT of people, on all sides.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 29, 2016 09:07 PM (iHjB5)

13
That candidate is Ted Cruz, of course.

No one really likes him,

Posted by: ace

That's not fair. Ted is...well, Ted's okay. We'll vote for him.

Probably.

Posted by: Ted's Parents at February 29, 2016 09:07 PM (/ciMI)

14 STFU and go get your shine box peasant

Posted by: Billy Batts at February 29, 2016 09:07 PM (5K/Zj)

15 Class war it is. Left vs right aren't big players this time around.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 29, 2016 09:07 PM (u8kqM)

16 I like Ike!

Posted by: Joey 'Two Sheds' Biden at February 29, 2016 09:07 PM (eVJgr)

17 >>> I get the feeling this post isn't for us morons (well, those of us who don't smell of catnip and ammonia), but is more for the guys visiting us from between Silver Spring, MD and Arlington, VA.

Well good. They should read this.

...

i just had to write it before super tuesday. I have to warn these dummies while there's still time.

they'll ignore it, naturally. because the two wings of the party are determined to Win All over the other, and that's going to cause the break up.

You have to *compromise* if you're going to keep a marriage intact. Ted Cruz is a compromise. No one loves him, but no one says "over my dead body" either.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:07 PM (dciA+)

18 Won't vote for Trump. Won't vote for Rubio.

I could vote for Cruz.

Posted by: Kensington at February 29, 2016 09:08 PM (7Kbxu)

19 Serious you guus, just relax, let your betters do the thinking for you, and pull the lever for whatever Establishment shill we anoint!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 09:08 PM (wYnyS)

20 Thanks for that ace. This has to be the worst election I remember being able to vote in. And that has been *mumble* years.

Posted by: Infidel at February 29, 2016 09:08 PM (yb485)

21 Ted is the only one who represents that capital "T" I put in my nic. It isn't there for shits giggles.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T)

I thought the T was for Tits and giggles. You learn something new every day here at the HQ.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 29, 2016 09:08 PM (/ciMI)

22 I don't get why people don't like Cruz. He seems like a decent guy to me. People are dumb.

Posted by: freaked at February 29, 2016 09:08 PM (BO/km)

23 guys

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 09:08 PM (wYnyS)

24 Even those here who support Trump, if they are in a state where he has a big lead, may want to consider voting for Cruz strategically so he has more delegates than Rubio.

Posted by: logprof at February 29, 2016 09:08 PM (ci2FH)

25 Voting for Cruz tomorrow.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:09 PM (FsuaD)

26 Wars and all, annoying sermonizing and all, Ted Cruz is the Least Worst Option of all of our bad options.


But nobody wants to have a beer with him, and that is the be-all-end-all pundit test, right?

Posted by: wooga at February 29, 2016 09:09 PM (gb+PB)

27 In before the Romney hate!

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 29, 2016 09:09 PM (/ciMI)

28 Just trying to stay in my happy place.

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at February 29, 2016 09:09 PM (hVdx9)

29 A statesman who has been a true warrior against the entrenched interests. Could be both genteel and a principled pain in the ass.

Interesting thing is that he may be the most intelligent candidate, despite his Bible thumping and his respect for the small folk.

Posted by: West Town at February 29, 2016 09:10 PM (ZFdMp)

30 I *could* cast a literal vote against Hillary if my fantasy voting system were enacted -- the one that allows voters to cast either a positive or a negative vote to the candidate of their choice.

But that's it. I will not cast a Rubio vote in order to indirectly vote against Hillary.

Those days are over.

Posted by: Kensington at February 29, 2016 09:10 PM (7Kbxu)

31 They are my people! I am their sovereign! I LOVE Them.

Pull!

[shoots peasant flung into air]

Drifting to the left...

Posted by: The GOPe at February 29, 2016 09:10 PM (oVJmc)

32 *rubs hands together*

I can't wait for the comments!

Posted by: thathalfrican at February 29, 2016 09:10 PM (R5HRU)

33 And Trumpsters, vote for a guy who is even more of a narcissist than Obama.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:10 PM (FsuaD)

34 Gary Johnson is the Libertarian Party candidate. I'm ok with that. I've already voted for Cruz but Johnson would be fine too.

After tomorrow I can ignore this shit show until November.

Posted by: CozMark at February 29, 2016 09:10 PM (CbGSW)

35
I've heard it said that every country has the government it deserves.

Did we deserve Obama?

Do we deserve Clinton?

My God, I hope not.

Posted by: Randy Westerfeld at February 29, 2016 09:10 PM (zp6Kj)

36 >>>Go with anyone else, and the GOP is finished as a party.

Again: this is Let It Burn. We need the GOP and DNC to collapse. We need the existing political status quo broken into rubble. We need to let the system destroy itself.

Ace, it kinda seems like you're backing off the actual hard work part of "Let It Burn"; watching it happen.

Posted by: s at February 29, 2016 09:10 PM (HCXGq)

37 It won't happen though.

I've been trying to convince my Rubio friends to vote Cruz in Texas to get him over 50% to deny Trump delegates.

I have told them that this strategy highly favors Rubio, ultimately because it increases the likelihood of a brokered convention which is Rubio's only path to victory.

And? They don't care. They're voting for their boy Rubio because Cruz is just so divisive.

Republicans are the stupid party because they refuse strategy if it means having to vote for someone they find distasteful.

I'm pretty irritated with 80% of my friends at this point.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 09:10 PM (rrG3v)

38 Won't vote for Pepsi. Won't vote for Coke.

Posted by: Kneel Yung at February 29, 2016 09:10 PM (FkBIv)

39 >That candidate is Ted Cruz, of course.

No one really likes him,<

nobody in the "ruining class"

Posted by: newrouter at February 29, 2016 09:11 PM (uWaCs)

40 Just trying to stay in my happy place.

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at February 29, 2016 09:09 PM (hVdx9)


Yes, Ace is really harshing the mellow I had going from Fenelon's thread!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 09:11 PM (wYnyS)

41 I would love to have a beer with Ted. Rubio, Trump, not so much.

Posted by: Infidel at February 29, 2016 09:11 PM (yb485)

42 Been seeing a lot of "bargaining" from certain circles over a unity ticket. And those certain circles AREN'T from Camp Cruz, their from Mr Electable.

I would not consider a Rubio-Cruz ticket, but I would be willing to stomach a Cruz-Rubio ticket. Rubio would be perfect presiding over the Senate... I hear he's very popular there.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:11 PM (t5zYU)

43 The ONLY ones capable of stopping the splintering of the GOP and the Election of Hillary are the Republican Establishment. Who would have to get down on their knees and beg forgiveness from the Base and promise to retire and get the fuck out of the way and stop being sore losers. THEY are the ones to blame for Trump and the fucked up situation we are in now. And then to hear THEY hate Cruz? Fuck them. If this all falls apart it will not be Trumps fault, or Cruz's fault , to the base's fault. It will be the fault of the Establishment, the RINOs and the SHILLs

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:11 PM (DUoqb)

44 The science is settled, I'm not a member of the Smart Set.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 09:11 PM (w35Hj)

45 Ace is right... But it won't happen... Marco's ego and his supporters is too big, they can not see they are being rejected. So... Trump will be the nominee... Too bad if they could have humbled themselves they could have gotten Cruz... But that would have required humility...so that wasn't going to happen.

Posted by: Gov98 at February 29, 2016 09:11 PM (d9LVc)

46 Anti-Cruz Trump ads running here in TX.

Posted by: logprof at February 29, 2016 09:12 PM (i0qcw)

47 Top 50!

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 29, 2016 09:12 PM (JO9+V)

48 Ted Cruz is the Least Worst Option of all of our bad options.





Ringing endorsement.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 29, 2016 09:12 PM (45oDG)

49 Interesting thing is that he may be the most intelligent candidate, despite his Bible thumping and his respect for the small folk.
Posted by: West Town at February 29, 2016 09:10 PM (ZFdMp)

Wow, that is a well crafted insult! It manages to get almost everyone! Nice.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 29, 2016 09:12 PM (iHjB5)

50 I'm going to make dinner.
Good Night & I'm going to remain hopeful Cruz pulls it off & trump supporters realize he's a white Obama.
More accomplished, but just as childish, vindictive & an egomaniac.

Posted by: Carol at February 29, 2016 09:12 PM (sj3Ax)

51 "And I'm tired of the fucking brain-dead stupidity of the hilariously named "Smart Set" being unable to see this simple truth." and "judgment of their better-educated Betters and simply fall in line..."

That bullshit is so beneath you. Rubio is a conservative. He fucked up on immigration. He's consistently said so...does he have to lash himself publicly?

All the bullshit about people bolting etc. doesn't stand up to the Hillary or Bernie matchup polls or the "second choice" polls, all of which put Rubio ahead.

The majority of his positions are in line with conservative principles. I accept that he's not now lying about amnesty.

And furthermore even if you think he is, that's what the Congress is for. It's why we don't have amnesty now when Obama sure in hell wants it.

Agree, disagree, whatever. Calling millions of actual practicing, voting, conservatives a bunch of condescending names because they fall perfectly in line with you is chickenshit. I get you hate Rubio. I don't hate you for it.

Posted by: Pdiddy at February 29, 2016 09:12 PM (OZ5xF)

52 For as their laws and their governments were established by the voice of the people, and they who chose evil were more numerous than they who chose good, therefore they were ripening for destruction, for the laws had become corrupted.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 29, 2016 09:12 PM (/ciMI)

53 people don't like Cruz. He seems like a decent guy to me. People are dumb.

Because he focuses on procedure and unpopular technical issues (like 10th amendment), when all the public wants is somebody who "does something" - process be damned.

Unfortunately he is too lawyerly, so his technical focus comes across as douchebaggery. I love Ted Cruz, but I am a lawyer myself.

Posted by: wooga at February 29, 2016 09:12 PM (gb+PB)

54 Trump is, and always has been, a stalking horse for Hillary. He's in the race to eventually go 3rd party if necessary.

Trump is Ross Perot, plain and simple.

Posted by: spmat at February 29, 2016 09:12 PM (53LkM)

55 Pauline Kael GOPe style.

Screw your conscience Madden.

The GOP has controlled the house for 18 of the last 22 years, the Senate for 12 of the last 22 years and the Presidency for 8 of the last 22 years.

And what do we have to show for it?

Debt going from 5trillion to 20 trillion on their watch.

Wars without end.

Massive expansions of government.

Supine apathy as a monsterous executive tramples the constittuion.

Loss of liberty as far as the eye can see.

Every cultural institution and apparatus in government and society being turned against us.

And on and on.



You've reaped the whirlwind my friend.


Trump/SMOD 2016 - FUCK YOU, WAR!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at February 29, 2016 09:12 PM (EmUe0)

56 Trump is okay.

Cruz is okay.

Trump/ Cruz is okay.

Cruz/Not a RINO is okay.

That's it.

It is not our fault.

The shit train is nearly the station.

All aboard!



.

Posted by: eman at February 29, 2016 09:12 PM (3/Uoq)

57 Did we deserve Obama?
Do we deserve Clinton?
My God, I hope not.



Yes.

When a nation abandons God... what happens is that He lets them get what they want.

Prayer is asking that we don't get what we deserve, and get what we don't deserve.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 09:13 PM (uURQL)

58 I agree Ace. Will be casting my vote for Cruz tomorrow, in Mass..

No one gives a flying **** about my vote up here though. But I'll do what I can.

Goddamn the GOP for turning their back on their grass roots voters and allowing this to happen.

Posted by: Goldilocks at February 29, 2016 09:13 PM (pOgVG)

59 >>>Been seeing a lot of "bargaining" from certain circles over a unity ticket. And those certain circles AREN'T from Camp Cruz, their from Mr Electable.


yeah. I saw erick erickson making this pitch without saying that of course he wants it RUBIO-Cruz and I said "Oh fuck you you idiot" and typed this up furiously.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:13 PM (dciA+)

60 The Trumpbots have covered the roadsides with Trump signs.

I'll bet after Tuesday, those same signs are still there for two-three weeks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:13 PM (FsuaD)

61 I have been a Cruz backer from day one, and I wish the GOPe was too. But they are dumbasses and will hand over America to Hillary in November. Sad.

Posted by: Eromero at February 29, 2016 09:13 PM (zLDYs)

62 And? They don't care. They're voting for their boy Rubio because Cruz is just so divisive.
--

Which is an assertion utterly unsupported by hard data.

We're really seeing a window into the souls of our Betters in the Acela Corridor and it's not pretty.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:13 PM (t5zYU)

63 Cruz-Rubio? Argh. Maybe. Damn it. Hating myself every step of the way.

Rubio-Cruz? Eff them all.

Posted by: Kensington at February 29, 2016 09:13 PM (7Kbxu)

64 I don't think Cruz will ever, ever, ever, ever be accepted by the GOPe simply because he is the very personification of what they hate and fear more than Democrats: the Tea Party wing.

Democrats want to win, but the Tea Party wants to take away power and jobs from the GOPe. If a Democrat wins, well the GOPe still has power in their party, just not offices. If the Tea Party wins, all those bastards are out on their ears. Its a fight for their job. Cruz means they lose that, if he gains power.

They might think Trump is a humiliating embarassment idiot, but him they can work with and he does not threaten their jobs. They can negotiate and work with him. They want Cruz dead.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 09:13 PM (39g3+)

65 I've heard it said that every country has the government it deserves.

Did we deserve Obama?

Do we deserve Clinton?


1. Sucks to say it, but yes.

2 we'll find out.

Posted by: AD at February 29, 2016 09:13 PM (07i0k)

66 "... and the GOP is finished as a party. "

....i fail to see the problem. F#ck the gop seriously.

Posted by: E.T. at February 29, 2016 09:14 PM (yq4gk)

67 Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

or not.

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at February 29, 2016 09:14 PM (TFWFz)

68 I'm even smart enough to know that we should choo choo choose Cruz.

Posted by: Ralph Wiggum at February 29, 2016 09:14 PM (H9MG5)

69 Does anyone know how delegates are apportioned in
the GOP? It's strange that TN has more delegates than VA despite a
significantly smaller population.

Posted by: logpro
.........
States with GOP majority legislatures get more delegates.
States with a GOP governor get more..
States that voted majority for the last GOP prez nominee get more.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R-Alloc.phtml

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 09:14 PM (UpGcq)

70 So let's assume everything in this post is correct. Everyone sees the light & goes with Cruz. Hooray. Now what? Oh, Hillary beats him by six points in November.

Yay. At least we didn't fracture.

We'll try again in four years, I guess.

Posted by: Kevin at February 29, 2016 09:14 PM (fNdOF)

71 "Deeming the opposition illegitimate."

The NSDAP did it.

The CPSU did it.

The Democratic Party did it. To Republicans.

And now the Republicans are doing it. To themselves.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at February 29, 2016 09:14 PM (EZebt)

72 "yeah. I saw erick erickson making this pitch without saying that of course he wants it RUBIO-Cruz and I said "Oh fuck you you idiot" and typed this up furiously. "

Bless his heart.

(Hey, I'm trying to go native here!)

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:15 PM (t5zYU)

73 They're voting for their boy Rubio because Cruz is just so divisive.

They are telling you that those people Rubio alienates (like me) don't matter.

That's arguably true in my case. But for whatever reason this country was foolish enough to give me a ballot, and my ballot matters. And all those other people who don't trust Rubio - who were born here - their ballots are going to matter.

Cruz isn't the divisive one, not where it matters. Rubio is.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 29, 2016 09:15 PM (6FqZa)

74 >>That bullshit is so beneath you. Rubio is a conservative. He fucked up on immigration. He's consistently said so...does he have to lash himself publicly?


he has the same position he's always had-- he continues to say he's pro pathway to citizenship, legalization, etc. He just claims now he won't do that until people see that he's put in a plan to secure the border.

at some point, you really need to inform yourself, and stop slinging nonsense claims made by his dishonest partisans.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:15 PM (dciA+)

75
I'll bet after Tuesday, those same signs are still there for two-three weeks./i]

Yeah I remember the Ron Paul signs around here rotted to pieces rather than be cleaned up as the law requires.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 09:15 PM (39g3+)

76 Husband said he's voting for Carson. Or, may switch over and vote for Bernie. He so wants Bernie to be the Dem candidate.

We had words. That is all.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:15 PM (FsuaD)

77
60 The Trumpbots have covered the roadsides with Trump signs.

I'll bet after Tuesday, those same signs are still there for two-three weeks.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:13 PM (FsuaD)



Well that's probably because removing them is a government job.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 29, 2016 09:15 PM (z/Ubi)

78 erick erickson has turned to complete shit...sorry...just has...

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (WnCSK)

79 Rubio is a huge part of the anger people (like me) feel over the immigration con jobs. Gang of 8 was treason for many in the base. Getting screwed over and over by Obama and Republicans for amnesty is why many people are supporting Trump.

Cruz is the answer. Rubio is part of the problem. Trump is a proto facists and not conservative. Never Trump.

Posted by: The Sampo at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (VnP/f)

80 i hang with blue collar because i guess i am blue collar.
yet i have argued for the rich practically my whole life.
not anymore.
i will not agree or listen to the supposed smart set gope.

if they came down from their ivory towers and lived among
the rest of us they'd see the damage illegal immigration has caused.

Posted by: concrete girl at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (0KgAM)

81 Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 29, 2016 09:12 PM (iHjB5)

Meh...I do think he goes overboard on the religion thing, but I was speaking to his being a traitor to his class.

Posted by: West Town at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (ZFdMp)

82 As presently constituted, the Republican and Democrat parties are Tweedledee and Tweedledum.

Posted by: zombie George Wallace at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (m/Gc2)

83 I love Ted Cruz, but I am a lawyer myself.

I don't care if he is a lawyer that won't keep me from voting for him.

Posted by: freaked at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (BO/km)

84 "That candidate is Ted Cruz, of course."

See, what you are not taking into account is that Cruz is losing, everywhere.

He's lost New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada and is predicted to be badly beaten tomorrow.

Why won't you let the voters have their say?

Why push a candidate the voters obviously don't want?

This is the same thing as if JEB! had Trumps numbers in the polls (past/present) and three resounding wins under his belt, everyone would say it's all over.

Trump has grown stronger post debate with Frick (Cruz) and Frack (Rubio) biting at his heels. Both lost points over their obvious tag-teaming.

"Trump Grows Stronger Ahead of Super Tuesday, Poll Shows (Trump 44, Cruz 15, Rubio 14)"

Drudge - Thousands of Dems leaving the party to voting for Trump in Massachusetts.


This is the weirdest election ever. The winner is the loser and the loser is the winner even with a massive uptick in voter turnout.

The voters are speaking. Let them.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (TcGpp)

85 Randey Westerfield @ 35- Did we deserve?
Well, of course we deserve evil rulers. We are a nation of covenant-breakers.

Posted by: Eromero at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (zLDYs)

86 And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity,
then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea,
then is the time he will visit you with great destruction....

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (/ciMI)

87 Further.. Tennessee gets 18 bonus delegates to Virginia's 3.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (UpGcq)

88 The GOP is finished as a political party.

It died when party leadership capitulated to Obama.


Either Trump wins through the primary process, and the Party fractures at the convention when the party leadership refuses to accept Trump.

Or Trump fails to win a majority of delegates and the party fractures at the convention when they fight over the next nominee and how that candidate is chosen.

Either way, the GOP fractures.

The democrat party might well do the same. Either we get a democrat president who destroys the country, or we get a GOP president who destroys the country. Either way, the United States died in november 2012.

Posted by: Andruss Leftgarter at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (NFBqa)

89 Wars and all, annoying sermonizing and all, Ted Cruz is the Least Worst Option of all of our bad options.


But nobody wants to have a beer with him, and that is the be-all-end-all pundit test, right?



Is he buying?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (rwI+c)

90 41 I would love to have a beer with Ted. Rubio, Trump, not so much.
Posted by: Infidel at February 29, 2016 09:11 PM (yb485)


--Isn't Trump a teetotaler?

Posted by: logprof at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (i0qcw)

91 >>>
They are telling you that those people Rubio alienates (like me) don't matter.

yeah i love that, when they say "but PEOPLE don't like cruz...!"

Oh, people don't like him? I guess i'm not people.

And i guess all the people who are deadset against Mario Amnesty aren't people either.

Scratch the surface of one of these guys, find a liberal, with all the class-based assumptions of liberals right there, ready to pour out.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (dciA+)

92 This year's crop of movies keeps getting worse...

Samuel L. Jackson in a new Tarzan movie and Morgan Freeman not as the President in London has Fallen.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 29, 2016 09:17 PM (TxRU7)

93 Did petunia leave? *sobs*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:17 PM (FsuaD)

94 Texas needs to go heavy for Cruz.. if he gets 50%, he gets them all.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 09:17 PM (UpGcq)

95 I was just looking at some crap. There's a housing bubble in Vancouver and Canada in general that's now gone into the "blow off" stage. There are near literal shacks going for $1M in Vancouver.

I remember reading some crap about bubbles. There seems to be three phases, three slopes of the price level curve. That is, if you plot a linear trend line to fit, you'll find three rough pieces. One, it ramps up at some rate. Second, "parabolic blow", it turns up and goes at a much greater slope. Then the third, the trend line goes nearly vertical.

That's when she blows and it all comes crashing down.

Vancouver is in that vertical blow off phase right now.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 29, 2016 09:17 PM (dvuhZ)

96 >>>> You have to *compromise* if you're going to keep a marriage intact. Ted Cruz is a compromise. No one loves him, but no one says "over my dead body" either
-----
That's not true, Ace. The establshmnet people who say they won't vote for Trump and will either go 3rd party or not vote, won't vote for Criz either. They think Rubio is the compromise since Jeb and Kasich are not viable candidates anymore.

I'm voting for Cruz tomorrow and am willing to vote for Trump in the general if he wins the nomination. Most of the people saying that they will sit out the general are anti-Trump and anti-Cruz people. Those are the people that are the problem.

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 09:17 PM (2x3L+)

97 If the nominee is Trump then that means the people have selected Trump so if the Establishment GOP doesn't get behind the nominee the people have selected then that means for all intents and purposes the GOP is an illigitimate party and need to disband.

We own the GOP not the other way around.

You will either listen or be destroyed.

It's your choice.

Choose wisely.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 29, 2016 09:17 PM (ILoaF)

98 Further.. Tennessee gets 18 bonus delegates to Virginia's 3.

Aren't the bonus delegates Republican office holders? So the more national officeholders you have, the more delegates you get.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:18 PM (rwI+c)

99 But nobody wants to have a beer with him, and that is the be-all-end-all pundit test, right?


I hate beer but I'd be glad to hang out with him. I couldn't stand being with Trump's public persona, although maybe his real persona might be okay.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 09:18 PM (39g3+)

100 Ace, agreed but the bulk of Trump supporters, or at least those that comment on OTHER sites are not typical disgruntled Republican commenters. They are vile, anti-Semitic, mocking, abusive democrat trolls the likes I used to only see lurking at DailyKos or every Ron Paul site. They intend to bring the system down and the Republican Party is their first shot since the Dems are pretty much taking care of their own. Make America Great Again is hardly their goal. Cruz is the only one that can change that because Trump has already glorified those supporting him even though I'm not sure he has a clue what so many of those supporters are. If he does then he's lying about more than I think he is.

Posted by: Whippet at February 29, 2016 09:18 PM (YwQCs)

101 or maybe it's statewide office holders.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:18 PM (rwI+c)

102 My fucking Congressman, PA10's Tom Marino, endorsed Trump today.

The fucking PA primary isn't until April 26th.

I suspected Tom was a #RINOcowboy, and now I know he is.

Only 5 of 535 Congressman have endorsed ANYONE.

You can't spell Tom Marino without "RINO."

Way to go, asshole. I'll never vote for you again.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at February 29, 2016 09:18 PM (CNo7a)

103 --Isn't Trump a teetotaler?

Posted by: logprof at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (i0qcw)


Yes. Imagine how much more interesting he would be if he were a drinker?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:18 PM (FsuaD)

104 And actually full disclosure I could live with the Cuban unity ticket. I think it's preferable to Trump at this point. It's not happening though because, egos.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (rrG3v)

105 Hmm, I never seem to group with the college educated faction. I suppose cuz engineering degree so I didn't get much of the indoctrination.

Of the folks that haven't dropped out I want Cruz and for my fallback I'd gamble that congress would block Trump from doing anything really crazy and hope he'd clear out some of the commie federal employees.

I flat out refuse to vote for Rubio, I think it would be a disaster with lots of Dem goals getting branded as R, probably even as Tea Party/conservative by media repetition. I will not join in that. Constitution party candidate here I come is my most likely action.

Posted by: Palerider at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (dkExz)

106 I'll have to see how many Alabama gets because we're almost entirely Republican. It's a complete flip flop from the Wallace years.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (rwI+c)

107 It's not only Rubio
making a mistake on the illegal aliens, it's his lack of judgment when he WILLINGLY and ENTHUSIASTICALLY thru in with scum like Miss Lindsey, the SOB bastard from AZ and scum like Schemer. THAT he has never explained and shows where his "heart" really lies

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (DUoqb)

108 Advice for Trump - never drink tea if Putin offers it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (TxRU7)

109 87 Further.. Tennessee gets 18 bonus delegates to Virginia's 3.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 09:16 PM (UpGcq)


--"Bonus delegates"? I was wondering above why TN has more delegates than VA.

Posted by: logprof at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (i0qcw)

110 22
I don't get why people don't like Cruz. He seems like a decent guy to me. People are dumb.
---

Just for fun, google "Cruz facial structure."

Because of his facial structure, his smile doesn't reach his eyes, and he can seem untrustworthy.

That could be a real, real problem. It's probably really incorrect to say that his features turn people off, but I think that's something to consider since it could have a major impact with LIV's.

Parting question: is it better to go with Cruz, who might have NO chance against Hillary, or go with Trump, who could conceivably beat Hillary?


Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (7FH+T)

111 Not a super Trump fan, not a Trump hater. I like Cruz. I'm in PA, so my vote won't mean squat when the time comes. I do wonder why Trump had to sign a loyalty pledge to back the R nominee, and that just doesn't seem matter to the other side now when it looks like Trump might get the nomination.

Posted by: fish...the lowercase one at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (4E9eO)

112 >>>he has the same position he's always had-- he
continues to say he's pro pathway to citizenship, legalization, etc. He
just claims now he won't do that until people see that he's put in a
plan to secure the border.



>>>at some point, you really need to inform yourself, and stop slinging nonsense claims made by his dishonest partisans.





>>>Posted by: ace

Not to mention the prick wrote in one of his books that people who were anti-amnesty were basically racist nativists. Seriously...there's no question about Rubio's immigration position. He will be as bad or worse than Obama.

Posted by: s at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (HCXGq)

113 No no no, the Trumpers are not going to vote for Cruz, he's the Biggest Canadian Liar Scumbag in the world because Trump says so. Trump will go 3rd party and they will follow, without a doubt. You don't even know how sheep-like they are, they're worse than the Obamatards.

Posted by: disgusting oratory at February 29, 2016 09:20 PM (s6/4z)

114 >>>i hang with blue collar because i guess i am blue collar.
yet i have argued for the rich practically my whole life.
not anymore.
i will not agree or listen to the supposed smart set gope.

if they came down from their ivory towers and lived among
the rest of us they'd see the damage illegal immigration has caused.

..

yeah i don't think they get that, that the old rule that we would just follow the WSJ line is no longer a rule. In fact, it's the exact opposite.

The train-your-foreign-replacement thing at Disney was the last straw for me.

As Ben Domenech's latest column says, correctly, these people STILL think that if they can just get their precious Mario, we'll all go back to be good soldiers against our own interests.

They still think we'll "come to our senses."

They don't understand we have come to our senses, and now we're wondering why we permitted them to rule us for so long.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:20 PM (dciA+)

115 Ted Cruz shouldn't have to be a compromise at the aos I used to know. He was the type of candidate the morons were begging to have as our nominee. Some of those same morons jumped on the Trump wagon from the beginning, contradicting everything they've said in the past.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 09:20 PM (MNgU2)

116 Isn't Trump a teetotaler?



Posted by: logprof

Sure, but cocaine's a helluva drug!

Posted by: Trump at February 29, 2016 09:20 PM (/ciMI)

117 Do we really need to keep the Cruz birther around. That schtick is so tiresome. I say let them join amishdude.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 29, 2016 09:20 PM (z/Ubi)

118 70 So let's assume everything in this post is correct. Everyone sees the light & goes with Cruz. Hooray. Now what? Oh, Hillary beats him by six points in November.

Yay. At least we didn't fracture.

We'll try again in four years, I guess.
Posted by: Kevin at February 29, 2016 09:14 PM (fNdOF)
----------

On what are you basing your data, a couple of points difference in a couple of national polls eight months out?



But back to an interesting point ace alluded to... I hate how dishonest the Rubio people are.

Last week when the ten zillionth one came into my timeline to tell me how much he "really really liked Cruz but unfortunately he's unelectable" I challenged him to tell me what he liked about Cruz.

"Oh, he's conservative." But people hate him so he's "concerned."

So I ask, what conservative policies of Cruz's do you like?

Deflection to how dreamy Rubio is.

I went back and forth with several of them like this and not one of them could state a conservative principle, not just of Cruz's but even of Rubio's.


BTW, if you really want to get irritated, read Ed Morrissey's endorsement of Rubio. He uses the word "inclusive"... WTF does that mean? Is Cruz NOT inclusive ffs?

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:20 PM (t5zYU)

119 There's a housing bubble in Vancouver and Canada in general that's now gone into the "blow off" stage. There are near literal shacks going for $1M in Vancouver.

Judging by the Property Brothers, yeah houses are insanely overpriced.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 09:20 PM (39g3+)

120 If Trump wasnt such an unserious huckster-douchebag, I might be tempted to vote for him, because the program he lifted from Senator Sessions will either be the future of conservatism or conservatism will have no future at all. Its a tragedy that Sessions himself didnt run and that this good cause depends on a fucking (bad) reality tv star.

But as it stands now and as little as my vote will mean here in Florida, I will vote for Ted Cruz.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 29, 2016 09:20 PM (jJ48T)

121 Good post, ace.

After how many years of the Smart Set lecturing us proles that if we don't vote for their RINO of choice it's the same as casting a vote for the Democrat, now they're stamping their little feet and threatening to take their ball home if they don't get their way? That's rich.

I still say that the best thing that could happen this year is if both parties split. If the Democrats use superdelegate shenanigans to force Hillary as the nominee, it will piss off the youthful Bernie supporters, many of whom will stay home. Some of them might vote Trump.

Trump can attract LIVs, which I don't think Cruz can. Unfortunately they represent a sizable portion of the electorate.

Posted by: rickl at February 29, 2016 09:21 PM (sdi6R)

122 So, here's my current take on this primary...

If Cruz and Rubio can do well enough to keep Trump from getting the nomination outright, I hope and pray the RNC denies Trump the nomination if he loses the first round vote.

After that, all delegates are free to go however they want. So, if Trump gets 35% or even 40%, well that means 60% to 65% of the party rejects him.

Throw him to the curb and tell his followers to go fuck themselves. Get on board or Hillary will be your new Prez.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 09:21 PM (UpGcq)

123 If Cruz and Mario had started attacking like this a month ago it might have made a difference. I think it's too late now.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 09:21 PM (kTF2Z)

124 In the Trump populist GOP vs Hillary bureaucratic collectivist state scenario, there is no home for small-government advocates. Dropping social issues doesn't fix the problem that Dems and populists both are just wrong about how big government should be.

If there are enough people who still believe in small government, something somewhere will have to move to accomodate us. If not, then we absolutely should make a third party and torpedo the nasty fascists, whether it results in reclaiming the GOP or not, I don't want a world where Trumpism is the primary foil to socialism. Fascism and socialism don't have enough difference to be worth fighting for.

Cruz, for all his faults personality-wise, would shrink government. I wouldn't normally consider the evangelical candidate, but he has libertarian appeal. But it doesn't seem to be happening.

Posted by: Cjw at February 29, 2016 09:21 PM (05F+q)

125 I'll give London Has Fallen a chance. The first movie was good and this new one seems to have an ISIS fanboi as the villain.

As for Tarzan, wasn't it silly pulp from the start? SLJ was born for pulp fiction. IIRC, his first big break was the movie named "Pulp Fiction".

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 29, 2016 09:21 PM (6FqZa)

126 You have to *compromise* if you're going to keep a marriage intact. Ted Cruz is a compromise. No one loves him, but no one says "over my dead body" either.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:07 PM (dciA+)

Well that's the thing. I think a many of the Trump people are sticking with Trump to get to Cruz. It's bargaining by the blue collar group. The problem is the establishment doesn't want to face that. They still think they can win it all. And I think the Trump-to-get-Cruz people are willing to push the button on Trump. MAD it is.

Posted by: WOPR at February 29, 2016 09:21 PM (LTDSy)

127 I guess I should go write some more whilst all this angsty tribal signaling keeps going.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 29, 2016 09:21 PM (TxRU7)

128 Ah.

Bonus Delegates

President: States casting a majority of their 2012 Electoral Votes for the Republican Candidate receive 4.5 + 0.60 × the jurisdiction's total 2012 Electoral Vote in bonus delegates. Should the District of Columbia cast the majority of their electoral votes for the Republican Candidate, the District will receive 4.5 + (0.30 × 16) in bonus delegates. Round any fractional remainder UP to the next whole number. [Rules 14(a)(5) and 14(a)(]
U.S. Senate: Award 1 bonus delegate for each Republican Senator elected in the 6 year period between January 1, 2010 and December 31, 2015. Limit 2. [Rule 14(a)(7)]
Governor: States electing a Republican Governor between January 1, 2012 and December 31, 2015 receive 1 bonus delegate. Limit: 1. [Rule 14(a)(6)(i)]
U.S. House: States electing Republicans to 50% or more of their U.S. House delegation between January 1, 2012 and December 31, 2015 receive 1 bonus delegate. Limit 1. [Rule 14(a)(6)(ii)]
One Chamber: States electing a Republican majority to one chamber of the state legislature (and the chamber is presided over by a Republican) between January 1, 2012 and December 31, 2015 receive 1 bonus delegate. Limit 1. [Rule 14(a)(6)(iii)]
All Chambers: States electing a Republican majority to all chambers of the state legislature (and all chambers are presided over by a Republican) between January 1, 2012 and December 31, 2015 receive 1 bonus delegate. Limit 1. [Rule 14(a)(6)(iv)]


http://bit.ly/1QHM04P

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:22 PM (rwI+c)

129 Yet another post where Cruz and Rubio fans can blame each other for Trump's inevitable nomination. F*** all y'all.
You didn't hang together, so you will hang separately.

Posted by: gewa76 at February 29, 2016 09:22 PM (Mgv36)

130 I'm voting Cruz, despite preferring someone with executive experience (Walker or Perry were what I was hoping for). At this point I'll write in Cruz if I have to. I will vote for Trump in the general if he wins the nomination.

Posted by: DonS at February 29, 2016 09:22 PM (Q2pWM)

131 That's a great analysis, Ace. I've voted for Cruz (voting early in TX). I'd be fine with Rubio. I will not vote for Trump -- not in a boat, not with a goat. I'm one of your vain and preening, professional-class, Ivy-educated, manicured-lawn, suburban Republicans who cares deeply about conservative principles. I have a stronger visceral dislike for Trump than I've had for almost any candidate ever -- certainly any Republican.

Posted by: ScurvyOaks at February 29, 2016 09:22 PM (1nJy2)

132 If victory in the general requires more than Romney voters from '12, we're in trouble with Cruz.

How many Obama '12 voters does Cruz inspire to come over to the GOP? Anyone with an R by their name can get who Romney got.

As much as anyone dislikes Rubio, he'll flip voters to the GOP. If you don't flip the scoreboard by any real measure, save us the trouble.

Posted by: Kevin at February 29, 2016 09:22 PM (fNdOF)

133 Advice for Trump - never drink tea if Putin offers it.


Posted by: Anna Puma

Trump, you can drink whatever you like.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 29, 2016 09:22 PM (/ciMI)

134 people don't like Cruz. He seems like a decent guy to me. People are dumb.

Because he focuses on procedure and unpopular technical issues (like 10th amendment), when all the public wants is somebody who "does something" - process be damned.


Don't get me wrong, he is the most reliable person to stay conservative once he reaches high office. But it would help if he didn't talk to people like they're five-year olds without a basic grasp of civics.

When he does this to people who already have a big ego, other senators, they're going to hate his guts--irrespective of him being a staunch conservative, though that doesn't help either.

When you piss off Mitch McConnell, good for you.

When you piss off Mike Lee, you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: AD at February 29, 2016 09:22 PM (07i0k)

135 If you want to persuade someone away from Trump, may I suggest you start by not insulting them.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at February 29, 2016 09:22 PM (3MozY)

136 Longtime reader, mostly lurker, not a troll.

Ace, you've been saying two things for a long time. First, politics is really tribal/class ID-based. Two, you've been concerned that a majority of Americans don't really want smaller government, even when they do vote in a majority for Republicans.

And where today does that leave non-ideologically-committed working class voters, who left the Democrats for either Nixon or Reagan and who've been voting for Republicans ever since, all waiting for their fortunes to rise, some waiting for their social issues to be addressed, watching unchecked immigration and globalization decimate the U.S. manufacturing sector, being told on the one hand that that America is the greatest country on earth, and on the other hand being patronized by the likes of Sean Hannity and others about the outrage of the week, and at every election told by the GOPe to vote for their guy or else, while their economic lot only worsened or stood still?

Apparently here, to a place where they don't really care whether or not Trump is conservative, because the term hasn't brought them anything tangible. Nothing deliverable. And if that's the case, they might as well go with the strongman, or bigger government, or perhaps both.

I know that conservatism really matters to the Moron Horde, and I mean it when I say I'm not trolling. I'm reading as much as I can right now because I think these days and weeks ahead will be studied by political scientists for years and maybe decades to come. And I wanted to say at least *something* before Super Tuesday happens tomorrow.

Some people here might flame me - I'm immune because I'm not here for blue-on-red action.

As for me, as has been said before: I will vote for the crook. It's important. No way in hell, no matter how much I think the whole system is corrupt, would I ever willingly let someone like Trump get in there. Not because "he said that awful thing about those people>!11!!", but because he's obviously un-constitutional in the literal sense of the word, admires strongmen around the world, and would damage the U.S.A. in ways far more profound than any "let it burn" sentiment could ever, ever justify.

One could say that to think that way is something of a conservative sentiment.

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (/ZL5g)

137 John Sununu just said that their wing of the party should go third party if Trump wins the nomination. He also said Cruz cannot win either. Therefore it must be Kasich!

You (Ace) are never going to sell Cruz to them anymore than I could sell them on Trump. In their minds they are one and the same...Barbarians! Just because Cruz leads the war band from the land of the "Saxons" and Trump is from the land of the "Goths" means very little to them.

I also think people are overestimating the fortitude of their class. Sure the writers and pundits will do the "I will never vote for Trump" routine, but many in that class are mentally weak people who try to be smart. You know the "hard lands produce hard men, soft lands produce soft men" stuff Herodotus claims Cyrus the Great said.

Once they see the Trump mob of enthusiasm grow with the approval of some of their own class (via endorsements) they will melt. See how some of their class rolled over for Obama once it became clear he was their new overlord. That is because they are soft men...from soft lands.

Now read this again with the original score from Conan the Barbarian. It will all make sense!

Posted by: William Eaton at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (q52Ma)

138 The rhetorical "you" BTW

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (3MozY)

139 129
Yet another post where Cruz and Rubio fans can blame each other for Trump's inevitable nomination. F*** all y'all.

You didn't hang together, so you will hang separately.



Posted by: gewa76 at February 29, 2016 09:22 PM (Mgv36)


How nice. Bless your heart.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (FsuaD)

140 You are undoubtedly right that there are those in the GOP that will not vote for Trump. And, as unpopular as Cruz is with many party leader, there are probably many fewer who would outright refuse to vote Cruz if he were the nominee. But, Drudge has a link up from the Boston Herald about 20,000 Democrats quitting their party, with many of them switching to Republican. (Drudge link is munged, but correct link follows).
http://tinyurl.com/zfroyg8

Ted Cruz is not going to get anything like the crossover votes that Trump will get, not to mention the moderates who find Cruz scary-icky. I think Trump adds more than he subtracts.

As for the long term prospects for the GOP as a party... RIP as far as I'm concerned. I would like very much to see a political realignment.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (R+30W)

141 I can remember months ago, when our host was mulling over the 5th avenue blowhard, peddling Cruz hard to Morons. I love the guy,

But at some point it must be acknowledged--we're in a bubble. The numbers are just not on the side of the immigration hawks. Ace and Ann Coulter don't represent a majority of conservatives. Not everything besides deportation is amnesty. The answer to cutting 20 trillion in debt is probably not in losing 5% of our population.

Sorry to be the punchbowl floater.

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (xB4nF)

142 I like Cruz. He has some good points and I like his tax plan.

I don't think he will bring the GOPe and those of us who want to see it change or be destroyed together though. Been lied to and ass fucked enough that I want a turn as pitcher rather than catcher for a change. I will wait and see but as of today I support Trump.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (ej1L0)

143 What really sucks is CO votes tomorrow in a caucus. Of course, the Gope decided that wasn't binding. Primary is in June. It will be all over by then. Fvck the Gope.

Posted by: Infidel at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (yb485)

144 Oh and speaking of Erickson, he was crowing proudly about starting the #NeverTrump hashtag, which has got to be one of the worst things a bunch of GOP insiders and Opinion Makers could do. All it does is solidify Trump as the (fake but whatever) "outsider" champion and martyr.

I may not be able to vote for Trump in November if he's the nominee - I'm not sure - but nothing good is achieved by stating that in February.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (t5zYU)

145 115 Ted Cruz shouldn't have to be a compromise at the aos I used to know. He was the type of candidate the morons were begging to have as our nominee. Some of those same morons jumped on the Trump wagon from the beginning, contradicting everything they've said in the past.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 09:20 PM (MNgU2)

I think Ace is taking a different rhetorical tack to try to get his message across.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (iHjB5)

146 Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (DUoqb)

Mario's betrayal of his constituents as soon as he had a chance with the likes of Schumer as his butt buddy, should be a disqualifier for him to be an Animal Control Officer let alone President running as a "conservative"!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (wYnyS)

147 So there ya go, Republican states get more delegates than non-Republican states.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (rwI+c)

148 "BTW, if you really want to get irritated, read Ed Morrissey's
endorsement of Rubio. He uses the word "inclusive"... WTF does that
mean? Is Cruz NOT inclusive ffs?"

=========

Good freaking grief. But not surprising, either. Ed cited the need for "diversity" when they switched to Facebook comments.

Diversity. Inclusive. Give me a freaking break.

Posted by: Kensington at February 29, 2016 09:24 PM (7Kbxu)

149 Throw him to the curb and tell his followers to go fuck themselves. Get on board or Hillary will be your new Prez.

It's a scenario. But with whom would the GOP convention-guys ask the Trump-voters to get on board? That eternal question - "How shall we fuck off, o Lord?"

If it's "rubio or eff off", then I suppose I'll be enjoying another Tuesday in November hitting "refresh" on this blog and/or watching "Stargate" again in lieu of voting

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 29, 2016 09:24 PM (6FqZa)

150 "tell his followers to go fuck themselves"

Same to you I'm sure...

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 09:24 PM (WnCSK)

151 Except it's Samuel L. Jackson being this over the top jive talker... in other words Samuel L. Jackson in Victorian England

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 29, 2016 09:24 PM (TxRU7)

152 They don't understand we have come to our senses, and now we're wondering why we permitted them to rule us for so long.

Best thing you've written ... ever.

Second look at a seat in my bunker ?

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 09:24 PM (qmMG2)

153 Did we deserve Obama?

Do we deserve Clinton?

My God, I hope not
--------------------

And yet, collectively we did.

We have experienced steady societal decay since the end of WWII, perhaps since the 30's. Virtue has been sacrificed to convenience, 'privilege' and 'rights' have supplanted duty and responsibility.

Character-wise, New York Magazine had it right. White Trash Nation.

As usual, that is just my own narrow perception.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 09:24 PM (w35Hj)

154 OK, Happiness time is over, everybody back on their heads.

Posted by: Pete Seria at February 29, 2016 09:24 PM (/pOl7)

155 Folks, this mess, this absolute free-for-all shit show that has become the campaigns is what a real realignment looks like. It will make a nice, exciting narrative once the history is all said and done, but now, when you're in the middle of it, it looks like total chaos and biblical level destruction, earth opening up and swallowing people.

Strauss and Howe 4th Turning. We're in it. Buckle your seat belts boys, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 29, 2016 09:24 PM (dvuhZ)

156 Vote Trump... because 8 years of Obama's thin skinned bitchiness, and taunts of "I won" so I'm doing whatever the Hell I want just aren't enough.

Posted by: Donald Trump 2016! at February 29, 2016 09:24 PM (H9MG5)

157 The answer to cutting 20 trillion in debt is probably not in losing 5% of our population.

They're a net drain.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:24 PM (rwI+c)

158 If you want to persuade someone away from Trump, may I suggest you start by not insulting them.


Posted by: Bat Chain Puller

I learned it by watching Trump, okay? I learned it by watching TRUMP!

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 29, 2016 09:25 PM (/ciMI)

159 I'm getting sick of people taking about "Having No Chance" against Hillary; For Any of the Candidates.

People who eschew polls of all types are now telling me that "Polls Are The Be-All, End-All!!!11!!

Enough, already. If you want to suck on polls, do it on your own time.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at February 29, 2016 09:25 PM (OQ9R7)

160 Diversity. Inclusive

Means Morrissey's not even trying anymore.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 29, 2016 09:25 PM (6FqZa)

161 As for me, as has been said before: I will vote for the crook. It's important. No way in hell, no matter how much I think the whole system is corrupt, would I ever willingly let someone like Trump get in there. Not because "he said that awful thing about those people>!11!!", but because he's obviously un-constitutional in the literal sense of the word, admires strongmen around the world, and would damage the U.S.A. in ways far more profound than any "let it burn" sentiment could ever, ever justify.
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (/ZL5g)

Da Fuck? The criminal cares less for the constitution than Trump but nevermind that.

Christ almighty.

Posted by: thathalfrican at February 29, 2016 09:25 PM (R5HRU)

162 Mario's betrayal of his constituents as soon as he had a chance with the likes of Schumer as his butt buddy, should be a disqualifier for him to be an Animal Control Officer let alone President running as a "conservative"!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (wYnyS)

Sounds about right to me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:25 PM (DUoqb)

163 We won a two front world war and bestrode the globe like a colossus with a population of 140 million.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:25 PM (rwI+c)

164 I'll give London Has Fallen a chance. The first movie was good and this new one seems to have an ISIS fanboi as the villain.

..........
Hell yeah! That first one was fun.. if for no other reason that puffy skamper Ashley Judd got offed in the first 5 minutes!

The previews look good on this one.. lotsa shit blowin' up... in London!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 09:25 PM (UpGcq)

165 Megyn really pushing the kkk line against trump now.... How sad what fox has become, well i guess they were all along they just kept it under wraps before

Posted by: E.T. at February 29, 2016 09:25 PM (yq4gk)

166 The train-your-foreign-replacement thing at Disney was the last straw for me.

Rubio accusing Cruz of supporting the Gang of 8 bill like it was all on Cruz was it for me. He co-sponsored the dang thing and tried to hand it around Cruz's neck. I cannot pull the lever for that kind of duplicity.

Posted by: no good deed at February 29, 2016 09:25 PM (GgxVX)

167 "When you piss off Mike Lee, you're doing it wrong."

Mike Lee campaigned with him last week.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:25 PM (t5zYU)

168 I will vote for Cruz in the primary and anyone but Hillary in the general.

The Republican party has killed itself, they have become the less-corrupt Democrats. Every four years they lay out the Reagan tea-cozy and Reagan placements and ask me to believe that they respect the principals of small government and accountability. Their memory of Reagan is the current version of the Potemkin village.

Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 09:26 PM (mPQ7K)

169 Second question: the GOP and establishment politicians have lied so many, many times since Obama got into office ("we'll defund Obamacare" is my favorite) why would an establishment presidential candidate stop doing that?

In other words... why should voters expect Cruz or Rubio to be any different than Boehner? Or McCain? Or Ryan? Or any of the other GOP stalwarts that lie to t their supporters every time they open their mouth?

Third question: why would it be bad for the GOP to break apart? Couldn't other parties appear and be workable, like in every other 3+ party nation?


Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at February 29, 2016 09:26 PM (7FH+T)

170 As much as anyone dislikes Rubio, he'll flip voters to the GOP. If you don't flip the scoreboard by any real measure, save us the trouble.
Posted by: Kevin at February 29, 2016 09:22 PM (fNdOF)
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Show me some data.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:26 PM (t5zYU)

171 Hey, is Bandersnatch here btw? Anyone seen him recently?

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 09:26 PM (2x3L+)

172 "But it would help if he didn't talk to people like they're five-year olds without a basic grasp of civics. "

Well, that's an accurate assessment of the electorate.

However, facts and logic don't matter. You have to tell people the ground told you it wants that stuff in the toilets.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 09:26 PM (rrG3v)

173 I've said it many times here, but I actually have had drinks with Cruz a couple of times at small events. At the first one, I didn't know much about him ,but he certainly won me over. He's very easy to talk to one on one, and for me that's a stretch, since I'm not the life of the party type. Ok, I kinda was at the beach dive we were at the other night, but that's not the norm for me.

I was impressed with his staff too.

Posted by: stace at February 29, 2016 09:26 PM (ozZau)

174 So, when son dropped by this afternoon, we had a loooong conversation about Trump vs. Cruz.

He was all "Trump wants to rebuild the military!!!!"

We got down to details about both candidates, and he left saying, "They all suck. But I may vote Cruz."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:26 PM (FsuaD)

175 I still say that the best thing that could happen this year is if both parties split. If the Democrats use superdelegate shenanigans to force Hillary as the nominee, it will piss off the youthful Bernie supporters, many of whom will stay home. Some of them might vote Trump.

Trump can attract LIVs, which I don't think Cruz can. Unfortunately they represent a sizable portion of the electorate.

Posted by: rickl at February 29, 2016 09:21 PM (sdi6R)




I don't think they'll vote Trump but I hope they stay home. They should be pissed about the superdelegates but aren't bright enough to know their getting hosed. Trump can bring in the LIVs and a portion of Democrats to vote for him but would it offset the Republicans who won't?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 29, 2016 09:26 PM (45oDG)

176 I'll be voting for Cruz tomorrow. I agree with Ace's assessment, but that's not why I'm voting for him. I'm voting for him because when he says he'll do something, he does it, and I like what he says he'll do.

Doesn't hurt that he's a constitutional lawyer who's argued and won 5 Supreme Court cases.

Posted by: Caiwyn at February 29, 2016 09:26 PM (BRgmb)

177 Cruz may be "less electable" (that is in doubt), but he is sure to be more conservative if he makes it to the White House than Donald Trump. We have a chance to get a bona fide Conservative/Constitutionalist in the White House and we're flirting with putting someone in who doesn't give a shit

Posted by: West Town at February 29, 2016 09:27 PM (ZFdMp)

178 You should be getting serious consultant money, Ace.

Hewitt should be featuring you on the radio instead of John Podhoretz who sounds like a Gaffigan internal monologue.

Posted by: DM at February 29, 2016 09:27 PM (j/tOh)

179 110 Parting question: is it better to go with Cruz, who might have NO chance against Hillary, or go with Trump, who could conceivably beat Hillary?

Given Cruz consistently beats Hillary 1 v 1 in the polls, and Trump never has, I find this false equivalency amusing.

Posted by: Fringe at February 29, 2016 09:27 PM (+GIZJ)

180 Loving the pathetic Rubio apologias and rationalizations here in the comments.


He "screwed up" on amnesty. One has to be pretty stupid, and also illiterate about legislation, politics, and the world in general, to "think" that.


It's not baseball, it's not a missed ground ball or something. Amnesty is one of the best public policy IQ tests there is. Support for anything other than full enforcement of law and return to rule of law in immigration is incredibly stupid.


Of course the Gang of Eight idiocy was far worse than just your garden variety unworkable stupid amnesty. It read like a parody of a "reform" proposal. Rubio had to be pretty stupid to take any of it seriously, and of course there's lots of collateral evidence that aside from integrity problems, young Mario is not that bright.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 29, 2016 09:27 PM (QDnY+)

181 Means Morrissey's not even trying anymore.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo

Eh, he only had two good songs post-Smiths.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 29, 2016 09:28 PM (/ciMI)

182 As for me, as has been said before: I will vote for the crook. It's important. No way in hell, no matter how much I think the whole system is corrupt, would I ever willingly let someone like Trump get in there.

So... Clinton?

Interesting, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Your brains are wasted in the Left.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 09:28 PM (uURQL)

183 @74 Ace.

I appreciate that sentiment Ace. I just don't believe anyone that denies that there is going to be a path to citizenship in some form. If a candidate is on board with securing the border that's a hell of a lot better than what we've got. I've never seen a viable plan to deport the majority of people that are here. It won't happen.

Posted by: pdiddy at February 29, 2016 09:28 PM (OZ5xF)

184 155 Folks, this mess, this absolute free-for-all shit show that has become the campaigns is what a real realignment looks like. It will make a nice, exciting narrative once the history is all said and done, but now, when you're in the middle of it, it looks like total chaos and biblical level destruction, earth opening up and swallowing people.

Strauss and Howe 4th Turning. We're in it. Buckle your seat belts boys, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 29, 2016 09:24 PM (dvuhZ)


Yep, I've recommended that book a number of times here.

Posted by: rickl at February 29, 2016 09:28 PM (sdi6R)

185 someone may have already mentioned but fernandez has a complimentary article up regarding why tyrannies implode.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 29, 2016 09:28 PM (vb33c)

186 "Even if you think the vanity and preening of the
Establishment/Respectable Upper Middle Class is silly, you cannot avoid
the fact that it is a palpable and real fact on the ground, and it must
be factored into one's considerations. People will not commit a
political act which causes them to lose social face or reduce their own
estimation of their social class, and that is what supporting Donald
Trump represents for this class."




Ace, in my estimation it is not vanity or preening nor is it a matter of losing social face. Trump's lack of character, his immorality, in the way he is campaigning and the way he has lead his life make him someone I cannot in good conscience support. I have been talking about this for days. Morality matters. Christian values matter (even if you are not a Christian).

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 09:29 PM (NPofj)

187 Absolutely true, however, I believe that guys that actually run the plays will take Trump as their fallback option over Cruz. I feel like most of the punditry would choose Cruz, but anyone associated with direct government work will not. So, there will be no consolidation unless Rubio suffers humiliating defeats.

Posted by: Dave S. at February 29, 2016 09:29 PM (mhkbv)

188 Rubio threw in with Dickie Durban. That is his soul mate.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:29 PM (DUoqb)

189 Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:22 PM (rwI+c)


--I was told there'd be no math.

Posted by: logprof at February 29, 2016 09:29 PM (i0qcw)

190 That's the thing... London has Fallen is yet another 'lots of explosions' movie about one guy being chased by lots of bad guys... and wasn't that done with Harrison Ford in Air Force One or maybe Carpenter's Escape from New York or Liam Neeson in Taken?

It's running together into film goo.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 29, 2016 09:29 PM (TxRU7)

191 Trump can attract LIVs, which I don't think Cruz can. Unfortunately they represent a sizable portion of the electorate.
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Here's a question. How many of these Trump fans will pony up and do the hard work it takes to win a general election? They don't donate, they don't volunteer. He's the perfect candidate for the GOP's version of Sanders supporters... except that Sanders supports GIVE.

Trump can't win. I'm convinced of that.

That's not how I base my votes, but he's not electable.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:29 PM (t5zYU)

192 Reversing Little Barry's EO's, nominating conservative SC judges, actually following the laws that are written, making McConnell actually have a stroke instead of just looking like it? I'm in. I'll be voting Cruz tomorrow.

Posted by: Abby Normal at February 29, 2016 09:29 PM (75ph3)

193 I added this:

Ted Cruz is revolutionary enough for the populists, without being too revolting for the Polite Set.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:29 PM (dciA+)

194 Just donated to Cruz again. Will vote for him when the polls open tomorrow before I take my wife to the VA for her electrocardiogram.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 29, 2016 09:29 PM (Kucy5)

195 It's a scenario. But with whom would the GOP
convention-guys ask the Trump-voters to get on board? That eternal
question - "How shall we fuck off, o Lord?"



If it's "rubio or eff off", then I suppose I'll be enjoying another
Tuesday in November hitting "refresh" on this blog and/or watching
"Stargate" again in lieu of voting

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
.........
Well, yeah.. there is that little problem, isn't there?

I say a 3 die 7 roll.. and let the best man win! Kasich for the win!

Yeah.. we're fucked.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 09:30 PM (UpGcq)

196 I'm a middle-class anti-establishment Conservative and I will not vote for Trump. I will either not vote at all or vote for Cruz. Will find out tomorrow if my primary vote for Cruz prevails but it sure felt good not to hold my nose for a change. I can't stand Trump and think he will do nothing he promises. His behavior is no better than a snotty spoiled teenager or mean girl who if acted the same would have been grounded until they had a major attitude adjustment. I could care less what the Establisment wants only what my conscience can live with.





Posted by: Whippet at February 29, 2016 09:30 PM (YwQCs)

197 Cruz or lose.
I used to tell myself I would vote for Trump....not going to happen. I will have no fingerprints on that ignorance.

Posted by: Bob at February 29, 2016 09:30 PM (aRUb8)

198 I had a college professor who used to call a few of us students in for informal discussions in his office. He would find a subject that we all agreed upon and take the other side of the argument. He would proceed to argue us right down onto the floor.

Then he would say, "But, on the other hand" and proceed to destroy the argument he had just made that put us on the floor.

I think this man may have been ace's grandfather.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 09:30 PM (3myMJ)

199 In other words... why should voters expect Cruz or Rubio to be any different than Boehner? Or McCain? Or Ryan? Or any of the other GOP stalwarts that lie to t their supporters every time they open their mouth?

It would be different because Cruz or Rubio would be POTUS. They may be equal branches, but they're really not.

Third question: why would it be bad for the GOP to break apart? Couldn't other parties appear and be workable, like in every other 3+ party nation?

It would only work if both parties broke apart. What incentive do the Dems have to split?

Posted by: gewa76 at February 29, 2016 09:30 PM (Mgv36)

200 Guess I'm a problem, since I have no desire to vote.

When Hillary! is perp walked, I may vote.

No, I don't believe any of the candidates will do so if elected.

Posted by: SMFH at February 29, 2016 09:30 PM (rlfds)

201 So... what Ace is saying, is that the real smart set is all in for Cruz, because being likable has nothing to do with being President, and a mistake, or difference or what ever the gang of 8 is, is soooooooo unforgivable in a politician... that it is worth turning the nation over to a lunatic. Just to make a point.

I'm fine with Cruz, I still don't like him, but in comparison to Trump... I'll take it. I think most anyone in the party would... be fine if Cruz really could pull it off, but he can't. The failure to realize that is hard to fathom.

But how odd that the "smart set" would like the guy with no connections over the multi millionaire Ted Cruz who came out of the Ivy league with all the prestige of his social caste. And he acts like it. Which turns even other Ivy leaguers off!

but that is actually beside the point. Rubio is very unlikely to pull it off either.

And that leaves Trump. Who is faking everything he says. This is a big fat scam.

And soon enough Trump will be exposed, probably as soon as the general starts, those transcripts of his real immigration plan will leak, he'll be exposed as lying about his wealth, his victims of his scams will be paraded out.... and the real Donald Trump is going to sour people on politics for a very very long time.

And when that happens at least a part of the GOP will be clear of the damage. We aren't taking the blame for the con artist, we are getting as far from him as we can.

Because he is about to stink up the place.

and if by some miracle the Democrats oppo comes out a little tiny bit early... and we can still save the Whitehouse because the delegates haven't been just handed to him.... we could still beat Hillary.

Posted by: flower at February 29, 2016 09:31 PM (VoCyE)

202 richard mcenroe
..........
Hope your wife is OK, and I hope your vote is successful!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 09:31 PM (UpGcq)

203 If Cruz had taken Ace's advice about reaching people where they live, about connecting with people's anger and concerns and real life issues before the last debate, well... he could have really turned things around.

He needed to have that voice to reach out and be the guy that is like the neighbor who gets it and is out there to take the lumps for you and be there in Washington to represent you. Cruz could have turned his looks into a strength then: this isn't some package, he's not the usual pretty Hollywood politician. He's you, out there to get the job done and give you a voice.

But here's the thing. As much as I admire Cruz and what he believes, I don't think he gets the regular guy's concerns. I think he's been in politics and Washington and a big, big time lawyer so long he just has no connection at all with just folks and what drives us. So he has the ideas and the theory and the principles but not that connection. And he can't even fake it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 09:31 PM (39g3+)

204 "When you piss off Mike Lee, you're doing it wrong."

Mike Lee campaigned with him last week.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:25 PM (t5zYU)



Happy to hear it. But this is what I was referring to:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/why-dc-hates-ted-cruz/426915/

Posted by: AD at February 29, 2016 09:31 PM (QWY55)

205 By the way the NY Times is trying to sink Trump. Don't tell me other Candidates and Politician don't go off the record with the Times...and ONLY in this case the Times is leaking shit? Hey where are Fredo's LA Times Tapes about his lover for the Arabs? THAT never leaked.

What a crock and I am a Cruz supporter. But this is crap and will drive Trump to a third party and fat ass into the White House

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:31 PM (DUoqb)

206 Mike Lee campaigned with him last week.

Posted by: Y-Not

Well, yeah, but not, like, super-happy Mike Lee?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 29, 2016 09:31 PM (/ciMI)

207 Parting question: is it better to go with Cruz, who might have NO chance against Hillary, or go with Trump, who could conceivably beat Hillary?


Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (7FH+T)

I seriously doubt that Trump could, or would even try very hard, to beat Hillary. I don't know, I've been wrong before, but I can't help but think that:
a) Cankles has been working towards this moment for at least the past eight years. She thinks she was robbed by Dear Leader, and she damn sure isn't going to let that happen again. Why else would the DNC pack the Dem primary with a bunch of losers and also-rans who don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination? Sure, Bernie's still "in it to win it", but he's sticking it out on the off chance that Hillary gets indicted before the convention. So...her people, I guarantee you, are prepared to go all-out scorched earth nuclear on whoever manages to get the Republican nomination. The wheels are already turning, the backhoes are digging dirt and the favors are being called in as we speak.
also,
b) Trump isn't going to go after Shrillery the way he's gone after his GOP rivals. He just won't. They travel in the same circles. They socialize with the same people. He invited her to his f'ing wedding, for Pete's sake. It's just not in someone like that to be relentless and ruthless and nasty to one of their own. They might snipe at each other in private, but dirty laundry isn't something they're willing to air in a public forum, if for no other reason than whatever they have, the other person doubtless has something equally damning.

Posted by: antisocialist at February 29, 2016 09:31 PM (cDs+4)

208 Then he would say, "But, on the other hand" and proceed to destroy the argument he had just made that put us on the floor.

It is said, go not to the elves ewoks for advice, for they will say both yes and no.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:32 PM (rwI+c)

209 I'd vote for Cruz in the primary if he were still in by the time the race got to me.

I'd hold my nose and vote for either Cruz or Trump in the general. Not a fan of either man, but if the choice were them or Hillary? Textbook Hobson's choice there.

Just don't have it in me to vote for Rubio in the general. Not even against Hillary. I would write in Zombie Harold Stassen or something. At least the zombie protest candidate hasn't been Chuck Schumer's hand puppet.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 09:32 PM (noWW6)

210 I'm for Trump in the primaries, but if Cruz gets the nomination, I'll be happy to pull the lever for him.

I can't see voting for Rubio, and I don't think there is anyone beyond those three that have a chance at the nomination.

If Rubio gets it, I'll probably vote Constitution Party or Libertarian. I have some big differences with both of those parties, but it at least send the message that my vote was available to the GOP and they lost it.

Vote Hillary? No.

Posted by: jbarntt at February 29, 2016 09:32 PM (hZo0w)

211 Wars and all, annoying sermonizing and all, Ted Cruz is the Least Worst Option of all of our bad options.





But nobody wants to have a beer with him, and that is the be-all-end-all pundit test, right?

Posted by: wooga at February 29, 2016 09:09 PM (gb+PB)


Cruz is not a least worst choice... he is the best choice we have had in decades.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 09:32 PM (NPofj)

212 I don't care if nobody likes Cruz in DC.

If you're trying to be loved you'll end up doing a shitty job.

Posted by: thathalfrican at February 29, 2016 09:32 PM (R5HRU)

213 "Trump isn't going to go after Shrillery the way he's gone after his GOP rivals. He just won't"

Are you serious??? Where have you been?

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 09:33 PM (WnCSK)

214 Over at Drudge: Admid Trump surge, nearly 20,000 Mass. voters quite Democratic party.



Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at February 29, 2016 09:33 PM (7FH+T)

215 I am sick and tired of all the Trolls here saying Trump is a stalking horse for hillary. Put or shut up and get fuckin lost

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:33 PM (DUoqb)

216 If you're trying to be loved you'll end up doing a shitty job.

---

Afuckingmen.

Posted by: SMFH at February 29, 2016 09:33 PM (rlfds)

217 I think this man may have been ace's grandfather.

Oh ... FFS.

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 09:33 PM (qmMG2)

218 The truth is out there????

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/selection-du-weekend-181-34.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 29, 2016 09:33 PM (TxRU7)

219 Anyone watching "American Crime" It's kinda interesting but just went off the Gay BS agenda. Such is the media today.

Posted by: Farmer at February 29, 2016 09:33 PM (o/90i)

220 " I am sick and tired of all the Trolls here saying Trump is a stalking horse for hillary. Put or shut up and get fuckin lost"

+1

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 09:33 PM (WnCSK)

221 Are you serious??? Where have you been?
Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 09:33 PM (WnCSK)


It's a trojan horse democrat. Ignore it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:34 PM (DUoqb)

222 I like Cruz but I wish he had executive experience. I don't think he should be the nominee - I think his victory is seizing a large enough chunk to stake out conservative numbers, but not so much that he wins the nomination. He'd lose, and conservatism would be blamed. He'd have the shutdown and the filibustering hung around his neck and he'd be caricatured as an extremist. He's take shit in the face from Dems and knifes in the back from the establishment types.
Let Trump take it. If he loses, we get establishment and super delegates. If he wins and does well, we buy time for better candidates. If he fucks up horrifically, he's Trump. But seriously, how bad could it be (Famous Last Words TM)

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at February 29, 2016 09:34 PM (J9mdc)

223 Did we deserve Obama?

Do we deserve Clinton?


...yes.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 09:34 PM (39g3+)

224 I'd vote for that mummified guy on the sunken boat (UK Daily Mail) vs Hillary in the general. No way I am not voting, no matter the outcome. Will take lots of booze, should the miracle of Katshit evolve (I will also need to learn to spell his name). I like Dr. Carson, and would hope, like Trump, he would surround himself with smart people. Rubio, would need booze, but small liar vs big fat tunic pants liar? Cruz I would be fine with, but worry about some things. Which brings me to Trump, as am new to liking him.

It is possible to evolve from liberal thoughts to conservative thinking, or it has been for me since college daze. Since the massacre at San Bernadino, that is...Trump.

Would the elite take Cruz under their wing? If Rubio loses? That is a question for the ages since he appears unpopular with his Senate porksters (which is a good thing). I have read of him "supposedly" wanting a deal with Trump for SCOTUS. Which would be great if he filled the Scalia seat...but would his "buddies" in the Senate endorse him?

The endorsement from Senator Sessions also gave me some confidence in Trump. He seems to be one of the few left who is not an aisle crossing RINO. Cruz has stood by what he said he would, which is why he will probably win in Texas vs Ears Hoarse Marlo in Florida, liar-pants, vote-missing, amnesty-loving twitster.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 09:34 PM (wAMRL)

225
"You have to *compromise* if you're going to keep a marriage intact. Ted Cruz is a compromise. No one loves him, but no one says "over my dead body" either."

Whistling past the graveyard.

The voters are voting. They are expressing their will. They've rejected him.

I guess the participation trophy generation doesn't understand that when you lose you lose.

The winner wins.


Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 09:35 PM (TcGpp)

226 It's running together into film goo.
Posted by: Anna Puma
------------------

Celluloid pudding.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 09:35 PM (w35Hj)

227
Parting question: is it better to go with Cruz, who might have NO chance
against Hillary, or go with Trump, who could conceivably beat Hillary?





Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (7FH+T)

Proof of your assertion? Because the polls say you have that exactly backwards. Cruz beats Hillary head to head, according to the RCP rolling average, but Trump does not.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 09:35 PM (NPofj)

228 @161 "Da Fuck? The criminal cares less for the constitution than Trump but nevermind that."

You really think Donald Trump wakes up in the morning thinking about the constitution? Or that he gives it one thought, ever? Really?

@182 "So... Clinton? Interesting, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Your brains are wasted in the Left."

Thanks for the compliment. :-) Yes, Clinton. I'm a self-ID'ing liberal, and no way Bernie wins a general. God forbid it's Bernie vs. Trump.

Someone upthread said "this is what a realignment looks like". That's what I'm seeing as well. There's no way to know where this lands. That's why I'm reading. I wasn't old enough to see the last one (I'm 44).

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at February 29, 2016 09:35 PM (/ZL5g)

229 Mark Steyn goes on about this all time. In most other Western "democracies" political parties come and go with the times and the issues. But we here are stuck with this sclerotic two-party system.

All sorts of received wisdom on why it's this way and why that's just wonderful stuff out there. All of which I now consider utter bullshit.

In 4th Turning Realignment level political continental, crustal dislocation shifts, as opposed to mere 8 on the Richter scale earthquake, that system can be seriously changed.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 29, 2016 09:35 PM (dvuhZ)

230 @191

Umm.. Trump is winning by spending virtually no money other than traveling, very little ground game, virtually no tv ad campaigning other than himself on news programs that give him free air time, and people are coming out to affirmitviley vote for him without being dragged to the polls.


If Trump wins big tomorrow, which I suspect and probably most of the GOPe does which is why they are starting to freak out, it's all over but the crying.


Trump is going to be the nominee not it's up to the GOPe to come to him and parley and get on the Trump train.


The Trump Trains coming, WOOO, WOOO, CHUG A CHUGA CHUGA CHUGA.

Get on or get lost GOPe.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 29, 2016 09:35 PM (EmUe0)

231 Mike Hammer, will pass on the pudding or Bill Cosby will show up

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 29, 2016 09:35 PM (TxRU7)

232 Boobio would not make head dogcatcher in a sane world. He's a slimey little fucker. Almost as bad as Hildebeast.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 09:36 PM (ucDmr)

233 My primary isn't until April 26, so as usual, this thing will probably be all but over before I get to vote.

I could vote for either Trump or Cruz in the general. Rubio? No fucking way. I'll either vote Libertarian or write in my cat's name.

Posted by: rickl at February 29, 2016 09:36 PM (sdi6R)

234 The answer to cutting 20 trillion in debt is probably not in losing 5% of our population.



They're a net drain.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:24 PM (rwI+c)

I'll second that.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 29, 2016 09:36 PM (T78UI)

235 If you're trying to be loved you'll end up doing a shitty job.

Posted by: thathalfrican at February 29, 2016 09:32 PM (R5HR

Actually it might be closer to state "If you're trying to be loved, you'll end up kissing a lot of ass.

Posted by: Bob at February 29, 2016 09:36 PM (aRUb8)

236 >>>They still think we'll "come to our senses."

They don't understand we have come to our senses, and now we're wondering why we permitted them to rule us for so long.

...it hit me right after the 2012 election. two of the richest guys i know said, "obama's ok, everything will be alright" (and these guys were staunch conservatives)

p.s. i will go read ben. he p.o'd me awhile back though.

Posted by: concrete girl at February 29, 2016 09:36 PM (0KgAM)

237 Like it or not, Trump is going to win the primaries and has a good shot in the General.

Welcome, everyone, to the Big Tent.

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at February 29, 2016 09:36 PM (zBwYh)

238 My polling place is my church, where I have a meeting tomorrow.

The street leading up to our church is covered in Trump signs. No others.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:36 PM (FsuaD)

239 I actually applaud those sticking with Cruz... you are among the ones who were not fooled by the con artist... I hope you will join the rest of us when the new party is formed.

Unless you like pandering for the KKK votes. But since you are supporting a Cuban, I'm thinking that rankles you too.

Join us, when it gets going... I hope Cruz will come along as well.

Posted by: flower at February 29, 2016 09:36 PM (VoCyE)

240 "The voters are voting. They are expressing their will. They've rejected him."

Well ... that's bitch about self-rule. Maybe we'd be better off with an elite class making the hard decisions.

/s

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 09:36 PM (qmMG2)

241 "Over at Drudge: Admid Trump surge, nearly 20,000 Mass. voters quite Democratic party."

Shhhh. Be quiet. They are planning to compromise and select Cruz against the voters will.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 09:37 PM (TcGpp)

242 So George Kennedy really did just die. To bad. Well they would not have mentioned his name at the Academy Awards since he is white anyway.

And Meygin Kelly is off the rails and disgusting with the KKK thing.

Fuck this is all headed to a disaster. Buy more guns and ammo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:37 PM (DUoqb)

243 Lacking a principled candidate, I will vote for the candidate who will bring the quickest and most intense burning, including the destruction of the Stupid Party.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 29, 2016 09:37 PM (CaYEg)

244 (Remember, I am, by default, a Cruz supporter)

How is Cruz not Establishment?

Princeton undergrad.

Harvard law.

Clerk for Rehnquist.

ADA at DOJ.

Director of Office of Policy Planning at FTC.

Solicitor General of Texas.

Oh yeah the Bush campaign stuff.

So, please, tell me, how is it, exactly, that Cruz isn't Establishment? Hell, he has more credentials for that than Rubio.

But he's just not of the Body, now, is he?

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Two Spaces at February 29, 2016 09:37 PM (IrByp)

245 Alabama gets 16 bonus delegates, Georgia gets 21.

Texas gets thirty fucking four.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:37 PM (rwI+c)

246 Sorry but Ted Cruz is a regional politician in the same mode as Scott Walker. He is not going to be elected. He shook hands with Rubio over their last tag team on Trump. Rumor is that he has been offering to drop out in exchange for a Supreme Court appointment and Rubio turned him down. The only base he has are the "very conservative" and "evangelicals" which are not enough to win. You can vote for him, and I can respect that (as long as you aren't calling people names). But you are getting fooled by him and that has something to do with why he didn't get Sessions' endorsement.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 29, 2016 09:37 PM (5HBd1)

247 "You have to *compromise* if you're going to keep a marriage intact. Ted
Cruz is a compromise. No one loves him, but no one says "over my dead
body" either."
---

You mean like hold your breath and vote for McCain?

And hold your nose and vote for Romney, even though his plan in MA was the basis of Obamacare?

Yeah, compromise has worked out really, really well for Republicans in the past two elections.

Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at February 29, 2016 09:37 PM (7FH+T)

248 Down with the two party system. Nothing in the Constitution or our laws say there should only be two. 3 parties would be ok, 5 would be even better. That way they'd have to find more common ground, make alliances, and let in new blood to compete. We may be watching history here -- party mitosis of both Dems and GOP.

Posted by: starboardhelm at February 29, 2016 09:37 PM (hOtJL)

249 "In most other Western "democracies" political parties come and go with the times and the issues. But we here are stuck with this sclerotic two-party system. "


*clears throat*

Posted by: The Whigs at February 29, 2016 09:38 PM (u8kqM)

250 141, Spongeworthy, you can take the 5% illegal immigrants. We don't need them to help pay $20 Trillion in debt.

Those 5% are an incredible drain on our economic growth by depressing wages, sending money out of the United States, sucking up welfare and health bennies, conducting incredible crime... the prison population is huge! There are numerous broken window/unseen intangibles types of costs as well.

You're buying what the open borders crowd is selling, that these illegal immigrants are somehow responsible for America's stunning economic power.

That has been stuck under 3% growth for the past 10 years, with 94 million Americans out of the workforce.

We don't need those 5%.

Make Mexico great again. Get the fuck back there and start building.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at February 29, 2016 09:38 PM (CNo7a)

251 How you gonna keep them down on the farm, after they've see Par-ee?

Posted by: Marco Polo at February 29, 2016 09:38 PM (Dwehj)

252 So, I'm voting Cruz tomorrow, and husband just this minute told me, he's voting with his heart: Dr. Ben Carson.

So there ya go.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:38 PM (FsuaD)

253 "So, please, tell me, how is it, exactly, that Cruz isn't Establishment? Hell, he has more credentials for that than Rubio. "

He's the worst kind. Someone who went through the brainwashing but still believes that 1+1=2.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 09:38 PM (rrG3v)

254 "*clears throat*
Posted by: The Whigs"



Hello.

Posted by: The Bull Moose Party at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (u8kqM)

255 Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at February 29, 2016 09:35 PM (/ZL5g)

You don't think very clearly. Trump is Trump, I personally don't trust a guy who says "I can become anything I need to become" or some such phrase.

But Clinton is a fucking criminal who should be in jail and thinks LESS of the constitution than Trump.

So I say again, you don't think very clearly

Posted by: thathalfrican at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (R5HRU)

256 The winner wins.


Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence
-----

Trump's 'Big Win' is SC, right?
35%

Are you speaking of technicalities, or reality of appeal?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (w35Hj)

257 >>>Megyn really pushing the kkk line against trump now.... How sad what fox has become, well i guess they were all along they just kept it under wraps before<<<

heh. Has anybody asked Charlie Manson who he's supporting? I'd bet a bag of Beelzebub's finest donuts he supports Hillary Clinton.

Hillary needs to denounce the devil.

Posted by: Fritz at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (BngQR)

258 Why the name change, petunia?

Posted by: SMFH at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (rlfds)

259 I'm Trump first and I wouldn't mind Cruz at all, but I don't see him catching up. I don't even see "the real conservatives" abandoning Rubio because not an inch can be given to the terrible uneducated racists. They're now saying that Hillary may not be that bad and laughing with John Oliver.

Posted by: Potatoer at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (8u5sK)

260 Ted Cruz is the Least Worst Option of all of our bad options.

Go with anyone else, and the GOP is finished as a party


Don't see a problem.



He is, quite literally -- and I've never said this before -- the only
man who can save the party. The only man who can keep it together.
The only man who can actually defeat Hillary Clinton
]

Yeah. He'll be a great uniter. Just like President Dole, President McCain and President Romney.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (vgERT)

261 242
So George Kennedy really did just die. To bad. Well they would not have
mentioned his name at the Academy Awards since he is white anyway.






Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:37 PM (DUoqb)


Gonna miss George Kennedy...almost like Leslie Neilson going tits up.

Posted by: Bob at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (aRUb8)

262 You don't mean to tar Trump with David Duke, yet that is all you have been talking about tonight you ass kelly. I'm done with her

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (DUoqb)

263

While at the gym (5 hours ago), there was a banner notification that one/some GOP Senators were publicly planning to break away if Trump is the nominee.

If this "rumor" is true, Trump's stock will go up, way up (IOW, many more voters), and a couple of GOP Senators might lose their seats.

I like Cruz too, but it looks like the D's & GOPe are gaming the system to squeeze Cruz out and make Rubio a strong second, with potentially enough support to run as a 3rd party candidate ... potentially starting in April.

Therefore, it looks to me like Cruz is out for 2016, and if there is not enough support for Trump, Rubio will get Hillary!!!!! elected.

Posted by: Darth Grammar at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (FlRtG)

264 The Trump Trains coming, WOOO, WOOO, CHUG A CHUGA CHUGA CHUGA.

Get on or get lost GOPe.
Posted by: Kreplach at February 29, 2016 09:35 PM (EmUe0)

__________________

Since I learned that GOPe means I'm not a racist, I'll gladly take the name.

We prefer to get lost. The GOP is dead, we will defend our liberty with another party.

Or vote for Hillary because she is less corrupt than Trump. And saying that is huge.

Posted by: flower at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (VoCyE)

265 Posted by: antisocialist at February 29, 2016 09:31 PM (cDs+4)

See, I do not know about that. I kind of doubt that Trump would be a stalking horse for anyone. His ego will not allow it (I do not mean that as a compliment, just an observation.)

This is borne out by how he reacts during debates. He actually gets upset when the other guys go after him. If he did not care, really care and believe in his candidacy, I doubt we would see that much anger.

I still think he is a giant question mark, but I do not think we have to worry on this point, at least.

Just my opinion of the guy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (iHjB5)

266 "Hello.
Posted by: The Bull Moose Party "


Howdy

Posted by: The Reform Party at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (u8kqM)

267 If Cruz and Rubio can do well enough to keep Trump from getting the nomination outright, I hope and pray the RNC denies Trump the nomination if he loses the first round vote.

After that, all delegates are free to go however they want. So, if Trump gets 35% or even 40%, well that means 60% to 65% of the party rejects him.

Throw him to the curb and tell his followers to go fuck themselves. Get on board or Hillary will be your new Prez.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 09:21 PM (UpGcq)

*****

Wee, this is the one of you proles that gets it.

Posted by: Rinse Shortbus at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (FNw4R)

268
I've been trying to think of something positive to say about politics since I pretty much believe we are doomed anyway and the only way to get my vote is to not to be a candidate, and the best I could come up with is this:

Ted Cruz is wicked smart.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 29, 2016 09:40 PM (ODxAs)

269 So I say again, you don't think very clearly
Posted by: thathalfrican
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It's a troll.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 09:40 PM (w35Hj)

270 Fuck this is all headed to a disaster. Buy more guns and ammo
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:37 PM (DUoqb)

---

Way ahead of you.

Posted by: SMFH at February 29, 2016 09:40 PM (rlfds)

271 Shhhh. Be quiet. They are planning to compromise and select Cruz against the voters will.
--

I don't doubt this for a minute.

If it happened, it's hello President Hillary, which might be what the GOP wants. Sounds crazy, but who knows? It's not like the majority are looking to the voters for direction.

Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at February 29, 2016 09:40 PM (7FH+T)

272 If those 5% were an economic powerhouse, why would Mexico prefer to be rid of them?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 09:40 PM (oVJmc)

273 "As much as I admire Cruz and what he believes, I don't think he gets the regular guy's concerns."

Trump talks about protecting jobs. Cruz talks about abolishing the IRS.

Between the two, I guaran-damn-tee you that Joe and Jane Electorate are more worried about job security and job availability than they are about how much they'll pay in taxes at a job.

(While high-information dextrosphere denizens like the Horde would say, "Wait, what about IRS abuses?", Joe and Jane are probably also only dimly aware of the existence and importance of Lois Lerner, if at all. Thanks to the bungled handling of that matter by Issa and Gowdy.)

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 09:40 PM (noWW6)

274 Been saying it for weeks. Win with Cruz or lose.

Trump folks ain't Rubio and Rubio folks ain't voting Trump but both more willing to vote Cruz. Get out of the race Rubio ...unless you really don't care about a win. Trump has an excuse, he's doesn't care if it isn't him.

Posted by: dogfish at February 29, 2016 09:40 PM (0O2Lr)

275 Rumor is that he has been offering to drop out in exchange for a Supreme Court appointment and Rubio turned him down.

Says who?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:40 PM (rwI+c)

276 Many things are changing these days.

Cracks in our society have become much bigger and are connecting to other cracks.

What should a voter do?

My first bit of advice is vote for the person you want in office and let the chips fall where they may.

The second bit is be prepared. The shit train approaches.

Posted by: eman at February 29, 2016 09:41 PM (3/Uoq)

277 Don't buy Cruz has no chance in a general. Ace's whole post is part of the reason. Also, while he is more conservative than the general voter, I happen to think calling out the frauds in both parties might just get the attention of some of the old school Democrats that were purged from their coalition.

Posted by: Dave S. at February 29, 2016 09:41 PM (mhkbv)

278 Posted by: Darth Grammar at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (FlRtG)

____________

Absolutely.... waiting for the marching orders, anything to keep Trump out.

Posted by: flower at February 29, 2016 09:41 PM (VoCyE)

279 I'd hold my nose and vote for either Cruz or Trump in the general. Not a fan of either man, but if the choice were them or Hillary? Textbook Hobson's choice there.***

I'll vote for Trump if and when it becomes necessary, and not before. Whoever is left when NC has its primary who ISN'T named Trump will get my vote; it won't matter by then, but still...

Posted by: antisocialist at February 29, 2016 09:41 PM (cDs+4)

280 @181 In which you set yourself up as smarter than everyone that disagrees with you and the candidate you disagree with...which is pretty much what Ace was talking about regarding the "smart set" and "betters".

Again, disagree with an assessment of the candidate and a horrible decision ( my guess is made in the spirit of compromise to do something "big" and getting along with bigwig Senators from both parties) but it doesn't make you smarter than the "pathetic" others than disagree with you.

I can promise you that I can read and understand the arguments. I've decided that anyone promising to deport 12M people is not likely being realistic. If the border is secured, then I choose to judge the candidates on the rest of their positions and the potential they have to get an agenda passed.

Posted by: pdiddy at February 29, 2016 09:41 PM (OZ5xF)

281 Yeah. He'll be a great uniter. Just like President Dole, President McCain and President Romney.


Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (vgERT)

++++++

In your opinion, is it more important to get elected...or WHAT you elect?

Posted by: Mimzey at February 29, 2016 09:41 PM (aRUb8)

282 104 And actually full disclosure I could live with the Cuban unity ticket. I think it's preferable to Trump at this point. It's not happening though because, egos.
Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (rrG3v)

I could too, though I hate to admit it. I'd accept Rubio on the ticket only because to me Trump is such a train wreck. A train, loaded with biological and nuclear waste, hitting a bus full of clowns high on meth.

Posted by: stace at February 29, 2016 09:42 PM (ozZau)

283 Or vote for Hillary because she is less corrupt than Trump. And saying that is huge.
Posted by: flower at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (VoCyE)

---

You are a retard of the highest order if you believe that.

Plus, four dead men would disagree with you.

Posted by: SMFH at February 29, 2016 09:42 PM (rlfds)

284 There is no answer to $20T in federal debt (and Lord knows how much total credit market debt outstanding out there in the US, I'd have to go check FRED at the St. Louis Fed, but it's effin' YUGE) other than reset.

Prior to Great Depression 1.0, that total credit market debt ramped up into a bubble. It blew and crashed. That was the global depression. Now, even with FDR's mad spending and WWII, while federal debt was expanding, the total, public + private, total credit market debt outstand (TCMDO) was coming down, crashing down.

And there it hovered, steady at about 150% of GDP. Then, it the late 80s, it started ramping up, bubble style to 350% of GDP. In '08, she tried to blow and reset for Great Depression 2.0.

But they "saved us". The effect was for Uncle and Helicopter Fed to take on the bad debt on their own balance sheets, and try to keep it going.

They've got it ramping back up. Which makes the necessary reset that much more destructive.

That's what we're in for. Sooner or later. There's no getting around it.

Again, 4th Turning. Seat belts. Fasten them. Bumpy ride.


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 29, 2016 09:42 PM (dvuhZ)

285 Between the two, I guaran-damn-tee you that Joe and Jane Electorate are more worried about job security and job availability than they are about how much they'll pay in taxes at a job.
Posted by: torquewrench


I think I agree with that but it's only true because Joe and Jane don't pay any taxes. Everybody should pay some tax.

Posted by: dogfish at February 29, 2016 09:42 PM (0O2Lr)

286 Or vote for Hillary because she is less corrupt than Trump. And saying that is huge.
Posted by: flower
-----------------

And transparently disingenuous. There does not walk the face of the earth a more more politically and morally corrupt human being then Hillary.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 09:43 PM (w35Hj)

287 "If those 5% were an economic powerhouse, why would Mexico prefer to be rid of them?"

Similar questions:

Why aren't states like California an incredible economic miracle, given how topheavy they are with both legal and illegal immigrants?

Why is it that the last ten years have been the ONLY decade since WWII with economic growth averaging under three percent per year, when at the very same time we had a colossal inrush of both legal and illegal immigrants?

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 09:43 PM (noWW6)

288 One more question? Why are we trying to save the GOP?

Also the democrat party is not exactly in good shape now either. Hillary will not turn out younger voters at all. She is not going to win any southern states where older black voters are who support her thus making her support there meaningless. She is as wall street/big donor as Rubio, so her cred among the working class in dead as Romney's was.

I think both political parties are going to split into new parties. After a decade of confusion then they will form back into two parties again..if the country survives as a single nation through the process.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 29, 2016 09:43 PM (q52Ma)

289 Dear Lord:

Please help me to not fly into a rage with those who differ from my political opinions.

Help me kill them quickly, and silently.

---Evil Jane D'oh

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:43 PM (FsuaD)

290 There is no upper limit on Hillary's corruption.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 09:43 PM (oVJmc)

291 he only man who can save the party. The only man who can keep it together.

a.) what is there to save?
b.) Democrats will vote for Trump. I think he'll destroy Hillary.

Posted by: t-bird at February 29, 2016 09:43 PM (J3phO)

292
Here's a question. How many of these Trump fans will pony up and do the hard work it takes to win a general election? They don't donate, they don't volunteer. He's the perfect candidate for the GOP's version of Sanders supporters... except that Sanders supports GIVE.

Trump can't win. I'm convinced of that.

That's not how I base my votes, but he's not electable.

------------------------

And yet the guy who is electable (Cruz) is losing - massively.

Strange thinking in that.

The guy with massive rallies and voters showing up to vote for him is unelectable?

Again that's some strange thinking.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 09:43 PM (TcGpp)

293 >>>Why the name change, petunia?

Posted by: SMFH at February 29, 2016 09:39 PM (rlfds)<<<

A flower by any other name would smell so cat pissy.

Posted by: zombie Shakespeare at February 29, 2016 09:43 PM (H9MG5)

294 Cruz has pissed all the right people off and has not lied to his constituents. I have never regretted voting for him. That's more than I can say for most. Glad I voted for him in the primary

Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 09:43 PM (zOTsN)

295 Glad for the Megyn warning on KKK.

She is really doing her homework since Duke never endorsed Trump.

Dragging out the KKK reruns as the "establishment" did for Reagan. I guess when things get tough, defer to the political tricks of decades ago.

It is the media push against Trump. The GOP push against Trump...that damn turtle McConnell...that is making me think, hey, whatever. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 09:43 PM (wAMRL)

296 (While high-information dextrosphere denizens like the Horde would say, "Wait, what about IRS abuses?", Joe and Jane are probably also only dimly aware of the existence and importance of Lois Lerner, if at all. Thanks to the bungled handling of that matter by Issa and Gowdy.)
Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 09:40 PM (noWW6)

It wasn't bungled.

Everything went according to plan.

Posted by: eman at February 29, 2016 09:44 PM (3/Uoq)

297 @264

Hillary is less corrupt than Trump?

Hillary was thrown off the watergate commisssion for unethical behavior, think about that.

That's how far back her criminality and malfescience goes.

Trump will hit her across the face with a clue x 4.

Trump don't got time for political correctness.

The Clintons and the Donks are going to be getting hit from so many directions they aren't going to know what to do.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 29, 2016 09:44 PM (EmUe0)

298 huevón, ace. HUEVÓN.

Posted by: ... at February 29, 2016 09:44 PM (umlOP)

299 244 (Remember, I am, by default, a Cruz supporter)

How is Cruz not Establishment?

Princeton undergrad.

Harvard law.

Clerk for Rehnquist.

ADA at DOJ.

Director of Office of Policy Planning at FTC.

Solicitor General of Texas.

Oh yeah the Bush campaign stuff.

So, please, tell me, how is it, exactly, that Cruz isn't Establishment? Hell, he has more credentials for that than Rubio.

But he's just not of the Body, now, is he?
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Two Spaces at February 29, 2016 09:37 PM (IrByp)


The same way FDR was considered anti-establishment and practically a traitor to his class in the 30s.

I really don't think any of that stuff would peg you as being in the establishment except the Bush campaign part of it. It's not like Harvard/Princeton/Rehnquist/being a an ADA molds you to being sympathetic towards McConnell/K Street. It might predispose you to not really being that conservative (which doesn't seem to be an issue with Cruz or a little elitist (I've shared my thoughts).

But, otherwise, I really don't get the connection.

Posted by: AD at February 29, 2016 09:44 PM (QWY55)

300 Mimzey thanks for what you said on the other thread, when I was too busy using the Atascosa County Safety Rest Stop to reply.

Posted by: stace at February 29, 2016 09:44 PM (ozZau)

301 He's the worst kind. Someone who went through the brainwashing but still believes that 1+1=2.
Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 09:38 PM (rrG3v)


Yup.

Class traitor.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Two Spaces at February 29, 2016 09:44 PM (IrByp)

302 The answer to cutting 20 trillion in debt is probably not in losing 5% of our population.

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 29, 2016 09:23 PM (xB4nF)

Um, yeah it helps because most of those people are negative tax payers. They cost more than they put into the system.

Can I interest you in a Change franchise? Volume is everything!

Posted by: WOPR at February 29, 2016 09:44 PM (LTDSy)

303 So he has the ideas and the theory and the principles but not that connection. And he can't even fake it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 09:31 PM (39g3+)


I also think having a wife pulling down a big six figures from Goldman Sachs is a class signifier, but even that isn't enough for the "severe" conservatives in the GOPe,

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 09:44 PM (wYnyS)

304 "263
While at the gym (5 hours ago), there was a banner notification that one/some GOP Senators were publicly planning to break away if Trump is the nominee. "

....wish they would have put up half the stink against obama as they are now against trump...fuckers....spit!

Posted by: E.T. at February 29, 2016 09:45 PM (yq4gk)

305 Don't buy Cruz has no chance in a general.


Serious question: Do you honestly believe that Ted "talks like my Dad" Cruz will pickup a single millenial or disaffected blue collar Dem vote?

Because I do not believe Ted Cruz alone, without some might big coattails, will unite conservatives in anything but yet another failure.


Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 09:45 PM (vgERT)

306 If it was Cruz Rubio, I could back it. Rubio-Cruz....nope.

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at February 29, 2016 09:45 PM (hVdx9)

307 Nice work, Ace.

Of course, the Trump fans will vehemently disagree with anything less than a full endorsement of their Classy Candidate.

Posted by: garrett at February 29, 2016 09:45 PM (2rE0p)

308 "A train, loaded with biological and nuclear waste, hitting a bus full of clowns high on meth."

Hahaha.

Honestly I could go along with Trump for a while, but it's abundantly clear that he isn't stable

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 09:45 PM (rrG3v)

309 Misfortune and Pestilence,

Prepare to be banned. I will not have you fucking here telling me that MY expression of MY beliefs as a voter is somehow subverting democracy by simply trying to convince people to not vote Trump.

Hint that again, and you are fucking gone, you fucking idiot.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:45 PM (dciA+)

310 According to the local news from Atlanta, there have already been over 450,000 votes cast in early voting, and most have been for Trump.

Cruz is on track to win Texas, but no other states. Rubio is on track to be a perpetual bridesmaid.

Predictions are that Trump is going to have a very good night tomorrow. Yuge, even.

Posted by: ALH at February 29, 2016 09:46 PM (Z56vq)

311

I don't want to save the party. I want to save the country

Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 09:46 PM (zOTsN)

312 i like angry ace.

Posted by: thathalfrican at February 29, 2016 09:46 PM (R5HRU)

313 >>Posted by: AD at February 29, 2016 09:31 PM

Mike Lee, who was my Senator until a few months ago, does not hate or even dislike Cruz. They recently sponsored another bill together. They've worked together quite a lot.

He's staying neutral in the primary, which is fine. After all, he has to get re-elected in Romney's (latest) home state. I follow some of his staffers and they are quite positive about Cruz.

More important than any endorsement, Lee defended Cruz and corrected Rubio's lies about Cruz's position on Gang of Eight.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:46 PM (t5zYU)

314 go jerk off into an electrical socket, M&P, you stupid, thick-witted, hateful Bumper Sticker conspiracy machine.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:46 PM (dciA+)

315 Will be fun to see the spinning of why a third place finish by Rubio tomorrow means he, not Cruz, is the only viable alternative to Trump.

Posted by: cm9000 at February 29, 2016 09:46 PM (2TUVm)

316 Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:43 PM (FsuaD)

Bless your heart!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (wYnyS)

317 311




I don't want to save the party. I want to save the country

Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 09:46 PM (zOTsN)


Fucking THIS^^^^

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (FsuaD)

318 So, please, tell me, how is it, exactly, that Cruz isn't Establishment?

Well you have to make a distinction from being culturally establishment and party establishment. Right now culturally, the establishment is leftist, but in terms of being from the "right sort of background" is establishment in the old sense.

But in terms of the party? He's the hated outsider counter cultural type.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (39g3+)

319 "Only Ted Cruz can save the (GOP) party"?

You have just made the exact best case for a vote not Ted Cruz.

Posted by: phaedrus at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (0I4Gq)

320 And transparently disingenuous. There does not walk
the face of the earth a more more politically and morally corrupt human
being then Hillary.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 09:43 PM (w35Hj)


They're pretty damn close. How close does someone have to be to be "not like that at all"....or voteable for? "I didn't kill anyone ...but I ruined many lives or had Joe Blow pay for my mistakes". Is that better?

Posted by: Mimzey at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (aRUb8)

321 "She is as wall street/big donor as Rubio, so her cred among the working class in dead as Romney's was."

Obama's single largest donor in the 2008 cycle was Goldman Sachs, and a bunch of slackjawed working-class types lined up and voted for him despite the evil Wall Street vampire-squid's backing.

Wall Street honcho Jon Corzine was a key Obama bundler, and despite Corzine's firm going bust under extremely suspicious circumstances in 2011, with massive investor losses, and Obama declining to even investigate, the same slackjawed working-class types lined up and voted for Obama the very next year.

It's just amazing what Democrats get away with on this front. Hillary won't be any different in that regard.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (noWW6)

322 apparently it's now a Jewish Conspiracy to advocate for a candidate other than Trump.

Is that it, M&P?

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (dciA+)

323 Rubio's problem isn't just the Gang of 8 bill. His problem is that the Gang of 8 is just one data point in a pattern of him doing the opposite of what he promised the people who pushed for him and got him elected. His signing onto CASA is a major red flag for me, and it's yet another example of him selling out his constituents to curry favor with a demographic that a bunch of Republican consultants told him Republicans needed to do better with (Latinos, single women, etc.), but which he'll never actually be able to pander to more than the Democrats will.

The only argument in Rubio's favor is how he fought to keep ObamaCare from bailing out insurance companies on the government exchanges. And that's a compelling argument, but the best you can say is that it evens out his other poor choices. Cruz, on the whole, is still better.

Posted by: Caiwyn at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (BRgmb)

324 310 According to the local news from Atlanta, there have already been over 450,000 votes cast in early voting, and most have been for Trump.
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They've been tallied already?

Pull the other finger.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (t5zYU)

325 "you honestly believe that Ted "talks like my Dad" Cruz will pickup a single millenial or disaffected blue collar Dem vote? "

Well as the oldest living millennial, I can say he has my vote.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (rrG3v)

326 Do it, Ace.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (rwI+c)

327 Trump's 'Big Win' is SC, right?
35%

Are you speaking of technicalities, or reality of appeal?

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Nope. He won. I didn't see Cruz get 35%. Rubio either.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (TcGpp)

328 Dear Rubio supporters: We're not getting in line this time.

You'll have to get in line and go with the conservative, Ted Cruz.

Or don't and get TrumpenFuhrer. Either way... your choice.

Posted by: Warden at February 29, 2016 09:48 PM (XwbzU)

329 So ... 300 hundred comments in ... here's what I've learned ...

... It doesn't matter who wins - we're done with each other. Straight up. I'm not surprised.

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 09:48 PM (qmMG2)

330 And transparently disingenuous. There does not walk the face of the earth a more more politically and morally corrupt human being then Hillary.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 09:43 PM (w35Hj)




And power hungry. Both she and Slick Willie are power hungry vermin.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 29, 2016 09:48 PM (45oDG)

331 I, of course, was a member of the higher classes. And I burned Jamestown down to the ground.

Posted by: "Nathaniel Bacon" at February 29, 2016 09:48 PM (J3UIw)

332 Rubio was ahead in MN, which is about 45 delegates

Cruz is ahead in TX, which is about 155 delegates and MO which is about another 38 delegates.

The rest go to Trump


Are these states winner take all or proportional?

Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 09:48 PM (zOTsN)

333 "Why the name change, petunia?"

Because someone socked her and she doesn't understand the hash system yet.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 09:49 PM (WVsWD)

334 314 go jerk off into an electrical socket, M&P, you stupid, thick-witted, hateful Bumper Sticker conspiracy machine.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:46 PM (dciA+)

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Well, since the toaster isn't available...

Posted by: M&P - The Toasterfucker at February 29, 2016 09:49 PM (rlfds)

335 "don't want to save the party. I want to save the country"

Amen. I also think Cruz is the only man for that job though.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 09:49 PM (rrG3v)

336 ace going the fuck off makes me happy.

Posted by: M&P - The Toasterfucker at February 29, 2016 09:49 PM (rlfds)

337 You rubes better get this clusterfu*k figured out and vote for anyone but me. You think the last seven years have been unpleasant? *cackle*

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at February 29, 2016 09:49 PM (Dwehj)

338 >>>Well you have to make a distinction from being culturally establishment and party establishment. Right now culturally, the establishment is leftist, but in terms of being from the "right sort of background" is establishment in the old sense.

But in terms of the party? He's the hated outsider counter cultural type.

...

the dumbest bullshit I ever heard -- by this reckoning, Mr. Gold-Plated Diapers is ALSO establishment. After all, he went to the ivy League too, the Wharton School of Business (UPenn).

I'm an intellectual but I'm obviously not OF the intellectual class.

So dumb. "This guy went through Princeton and Harvard and disagreed with every liberal claim made and in fact came out of that a stronger, anti-liberal guy -- gee, I gues that makes him 'establishment' by the stupidest fucking definition we can conceive of."

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:49 PM (dciA+)

339 311 if you vote Trump you save neither.

Posted by: Whippet at February 29, 2016 09:49 PM (YwQCs)

340
I don't want to save the party. I want to save the country

Yep. But Ted Cruz will not accomplish that. Not on his own.

He will simply give conservative positive feelz that they "stood by their principles " as Hillary is sworn in.

Trump/Cruz is still viable. That is a winning ticket.

Hate it all you want , it is the truth.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 09:50 PM (vgERT)

341 317 311




I don't want to save the party. I want to save the country

Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 09:46 PM (zOTsN)

Fucking THIS^^^^

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (FsuaD)

Absolutely.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 29, 2016 09:50 PM (iHjB5)

342 Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 09:48 PM (qmMG2)

Funny you should mention that. Dennis Prager had a great theory on that today, he compared it to the Jews first kingdom and how it fell largely because the Jews hated each other.

That's us.

Posted by: thathalfrican at February 29, 2016 09:50 PM (R5HRU)

343 Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at February 29, 2016 09:35 PM (/ZL5g)

Yo, long time no see. Sorry, a lot of angry new peeps after the HA meltdown.

Hope you're enjoying the nuttiest political season I've seen, you might be the only one.

I agree this one seems more tribal than average. A lot of people always do the My Team Your Team thing, but it's been reduced to macros now, and the macros are being spammed in hopes of overwhelming everyone.

Boring as Hell.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 29, 2016 09:50 PM (bLnSU)

344 the dumbest bullshit I ever heard -- by this reckoning, Mr. Gold-Plated Diapers is ALSO establishment. After all, he went to the ivy League too, the Wharton School of Business (UPenn).

*nods* Totally Establishment.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:50 PM (rwI+c)

345 "Squat Cobbler"

That line never gets old.

Posted by: logprof at February 29, 2016 09:51 PM (i0qcw)

346 Okay, I've tried to say this numerous ways here goes another try.

This isn't about Cruz, it isn't about Rubio.

It's about Trump.

Unlike Trump followers we have paid attention and he is pulling a con. A scam. A whatever.... you know when someone tricks you out of money?

One way you can tell is that KKK thing, he just disavowed it the day before, but then he demurred. why? To get the KKK votes.

(Or is so crazy he can't remember yesterday and really couldn't remember what the KKK was, that is doubtful)

Which means Trump is willing to support things he feels are despicable to get elected, with no intention of following through on any of it.

Do you understand it's a scam? Some wont' care. But if you really wanted that wall, you are less likely to get it from Trump, because he is mocking you. LIke he was mocking the KKK by pretending he was okay with them.

If he can cozy up to the Klan, he will say and do anything, including promising a wall. That wall and the hard stand on immigration is a new position for him, that is why we know it is not a real intention.

So anyway I am hoping it isn't just talk of a new Party, I hope that is real. Because Ben Sasse has talked about it, Jon Sununu... and David French... not pointedly... but I hope everyone who is saying they will never vote for Trump is ready to leave the GOP for something new.

And I hope they don't expect me to vote for Jeb. Because I'll just give up at that point.

Posted by: flower at February 29, 2016 09:51 PM (VoCyE)

347
And power hungry. Both she and Slick Willie are power hungry vermin.
Posted by: TheQuietMan


Supreme!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 29, 2016 09:51 PM (FkBIv)

348 While at the gym (5 hours ago), there was a banner notification that one/some GOP Senators were publicly planning to break away if Trump is the nominee. ^^^

I heard something about this too. Here's the thing - no matter what they want people to believe, Senators and congressmen each have only ONE VOTE. They can support, they can endorse, they can shill and fund raise and do all manner of obnoxious crap, but at the end of the day, they take the same ONE VOTE into the voting booth that you and I do. So - if they pull this kind of sh!t, it's the last nail in the last coffin for the GOP. To usurp the will of the electorate, even if that will is for someone who is uniquely unqualified to be President, would place their total disdain for the American voter on display for everyone to see.
I'll be bidding on the popcorn concession if it happens...

Posted by: antisocialist at February 29, 2016 09:51 PM (cDs+4)

349 He is, quite literally -- and I've never said this before -- the only man who can save the party. The only man who can keep it together.
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Ace, why is it so hard for people to see the forest for the trees.
Thank you for your words and wisdom.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 29, 2016 09:51 PM (7GQM/)

350 "Prepare to be banned. I will not have you fucking here telling me that MY expression of MY beliefs as a voter is somehow subverting democracy by simply trying to convince people to not vote Trump."

Huh? What are you talking about?

Where did I say that.

The voters are voting. That's a fact. So far, Trump is winning.

Nothing either you or I do change that.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 09:51 PM (TcGpp)

351 Posted by: AD at February 29, 2016 09:31 PM

Mike Lee, who was my Senator until a few months ago, does not hate or even dislike Cruz. They recently sponsored another bill together. They've worked together quite a lot.

He's staying neutral in the primary, which is fine. After all, he has to get re-elected in Romney's (latest) home state. I follow some of his staffers and they are quite positive about Cruz.

More important than any endorsement, Lee defended Cruz and corrected Rubio's lies about Cruz's position on Gang of Eight.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:46 PM (t5zYU)


Sorry, it's not like I'm making this up.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/why-dc-hates-ted-cruz/426915/

If you want to say the reporting's biased, okay. If you want to say that instance of pissing Mike Lee off is water under the bridge now, cool. If they're campaigning with each other now, that's definitely the case. But the example stands.

Posted by: AD at February 29, 2016 09:51 PM (QWY55)

352 I don't want to save the party. I want to save the country
Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 09:46 PM (zOTsN)


Amen to that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:51 PM (DUoqb)

353 Ted Cruz is revolutionary enough for the populists, without being too revolting for the Polite Set.

He is, quite literally -- and I've never said this before -- the only man who can save the party. The only man who can keep it together.

The only man who can actually defeat Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Ace


I love ya Ace, but I gotta disagree with you here.

First of all, you're making a prediction -- any prediction -- and this is the season of Pundits Being Wrong, so the very act of making a prediction means you're probably going to be proven wrong. Because, frankly, just about everyone has been wrong this political season.

But secondly, on the merits of your specific prediction:

Cruz may be able to beat Hillary, but I don't think he's the only one who can beat Hillary. Despite your analysis, I think Trump would roundly beat her as well. Possibly even obliterate her.

One has to remember that the "Smart Set" are, at the very most, 10% of the voting population. The Great Unwashed Mass of voters are lower middle class up to maybe barely middle class. And they don't give one good god damn about any of this wonky stuff, or any of the "gotcha" stuff. They like Trump because he is bombastic and a bull-in-a-china-shop.

Trumps heralds the post-ideology phase of history.

And frankly, the more I ponder it, the more I think it is needed -- FINALLY we can strip away the outdated "left-wing" and "right-wing" labels, which have become meaningless. It takes a whirling dervish of irrationality like Trump to smash it all up. And thats what the Great Unwashed masses apparently want at this moment.

Like you, I want Cruz. But I will settle for Trump if that's what history hands me.

I suspect you are still playing the "primary strategy" game, but I think by this time tomorrow it will be too late anyway.

Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 09:51 PM (jBuUi)

354 ....wish they would have put up half the stink against obama as they are now against trump...fuckers....spit!

Posted by: E.T. at February 29, 2016 09:45 PM (yq4gk)


The GOP establishment is corrupt, stupid, and ugly,but they've all got first class tickets on that Federal gravy train and those tickets are good to ride no matter which party holds the Presidency, unless a Constitutionalist like Cruz gets near the throttle. They'd rather lose than take a chance on that happening!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 09:52 PM (wYnyS)

355 Do.It.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:52 PM (rwI+c)

356
One way you can tell is that KKK thing, he just disavowed it the day before, but then he demurred. why? To get the KKK votes.

All five of them.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 29, 2016 09:52 PM (FkBIv)

357 340
Trump/Cruz is still viable. That is a winning ticket.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 09:50 PM (vgERT)


It's always been my preferred ticket.

Posted by: rickl at February 29, 2016 09:52 PM (sdi6R)

358 Just looked it up. Total Credit Market Debt Outstanding is now $62.5T. Again, this is the sum of all debt in the system, public vs private.

Go to the St. Louis Fed's FRED (=Federal Reserve Economic Data) database, which makes nice pretty little graphs for you if you like and look at the series TCMDO.

Note the bubble tried to blow in the Crash of '08, but they saved it and now it goes on to even greater heights. The turn-around was somewhere in 2010.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 29, 2016 09:53 PM (dvuhZ)

359 I've been a Cruz supporter since before this election started, and tomorrow I'll vote for him.....the first time in my life I'm voting FOR a candidate, not just against another candidate.

That aside, Ace's analysis is spot on.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at February 29, 2016 09:53 PM (KF8B+)

360 All five of them.

All Federal informants.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:53 PM (rwI+c)

361 "To get the KKK votes.

All five of them. "

Isn't there only like 2 now...thought 3 just got stabbed or something.

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 09:53 PM (WnCSK)

362 I'm trying to express the point that the population will have it say regardless of what either you or I want.

It's the elite that are trying jack around with what the voters want.

The voters are speaking.

Really, honestly, do you EVER remember a time when the winner was not the winner?

Never.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 09:54 PM (TcGpp)

363 >> I don't want to save the party. I want to save the country


I want to be associated with interesting quotes.

Posted by: Donald Trump's Forehead Merkin at February 29, 2016 09:54 PM (2rE0p)

364 I expect nothing from Trump. He's a wild card. But I think he's going to pull it out. Also, it means something to me that here is a guy with billions of dollars, a hot wife he could be banging, and he could be fucking around firing people on TV and goofing around to retirement, spending time with kids and grandkids, and yet he enters a totally foreign arena knowing that the next President will inherit a ton of shit and he says "okay, I'll give it a go" - now it may be he just is a guy with a colossal ego, and I will stop short of saying that the Orange One might be TR's Man in the Arena - but still, I give him a certain amount of credit just for running.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at February 29, 2016 09:54 PM (J9mdc)

365 Are you speaking of technicalities, or reality of appeal?

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Nope. He won. I didn't see Cruz get 35%. Rubio either.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence
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Well, and I think I may be speaking to a ghost, you blithely refer to 35% as though that represents a triumph. Not exactly a mandate, in fact, barely a tepid endorsement, if it is the will of the people that interests you.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 09:55 PM (w35Hj)

366 Take comfort in the fact that it really doesn't matter who you vote for. The country was finished when Obama was elected to his second term. Now we are just on the downward slope to ruin. Demographically, financially, culturally....we are past the tipping point.

Take the time now to prepare you and yours for the burning times.

Posted by: jjod3 at February 29, 2016 09:55 PM (3UYA8)

367 A professor at a prestigious Ohio school still has her job despite a blitz of Facebook posts blaming Israel and Jews for everything from 9/11 to the creation of ISIS.




Joy Karega, an assistant professor of rhetoric and composition at Oberlin College, claims the Jewish state secretly planned the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris and that its national intelligence agency, the Mossad, formed the terror group. Critics acknowledge that she is free to cling to kooky theories, but question why a school that charges students $50,000 per year would subject them to the ravings of a crackpot.

Oh and of course she is Black. Double protected class

Yeah and Trump and the KKK are the problem?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:55 PM (DUoqb)

368 323 Rubio's problem isn't just the Gang of 8 bill. His problem is that the Gang of 8 is just one data point in a pattern of him doing the opposite of what he promised the people who pushed for him and got him elected. His signing onto CASA is a major red flag for me, and it's yet another example of him selling out his constituents to curry favor with a demographic that a bunch of Republican consultants told him Republicans needed to do better with (Latinos, single women, etc.), but which he'll never actually be able to pander to more than the Democrats will.

The only argument in Rubio's favor is how he fought to keep ObamaCare from bailing out insurance companies on the government exchanges. And that's a compelling argument, but the best you can say is that it evens out his other poor choices. Cruz, on the whole, is still better.
Posted by: Caiwyn at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (BRgmb)


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Stated more simply, Rubio's problem is that he is for people who think there wasn't a damn thing wrong with the Bush years, and there aren't that many of those people left. To be a little more precise, he's for people that think Bush's problem was that he just didn't engage and take on the press....our very own "the problem is messaging" clique.

Posted by: Dave S. at February 29, 2016 09:55 PM (mhkbv)

369 I don't get why people don't like Cruz. He seems like a decent guy to me. People are dumb.

Posted by: freaked at February 29, 2016 09:08 PM (BO/km)

Because they focus on stupid shit like "stiff as a board" or "smug" or "nerd" or "nasally voice" or other stupid shit like that.

He has a few flaws, yeah, but if you take the time to listen to what he says, read, think about it, he is the real deal in the conservative world.

But that's why he won't win, and that's why the Establishment will treat him just as shitty as they will the Donald.

Posted by: Blano at February 29, 2016 09:55 PM (3eoPa)

370
While at the gym (5 hours ago), there was a banner notification that one/some GOP Senators were publicly planning to break away if Trump is the nominee.

Break away from what? The party? The country?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 29, 2016 09:55 PM (FkBIv)

371 Hey Merovign. Thanks for bonafide-ing me. I never take that stuff personally. It's a hot time, especially *tonight*.

On the one hand, as a political junkie and a Blue guy, of course it's fascinating.

But so are car wrecks. I don't want the U.S.A. to be a car wreck any more than anyone else here, ideological differences aside.

We've got major problems but Trump is, IMO, extremely dangerous.

And yet, I get why a lot of people are going full-on LIB.

You?

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (/ZL5g)

372 Ventured over to HotGas/NoAir and find that Trump is now threatening to go 3rd Party (again) if he doesn't get his way.
He really cares about this country and beating Hillary. Sure he does.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (7GQM/)

373 Posted by: AD at February 29, 2016 09:51 PM (QWY55)

Lee knew Cruz was against the bill. Yes the Atlantic wrote a biased piece.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (MNgU2)

374 He's not the only one who can beat Hillary. He can't even beat Trump.

Probably because, after months of coddling and glad handling Trump, a large percentage of the voters Cruz required - in fact, based his entire campaign strategy n - decided, why not just sign up for the bombastic Trump, instead of Trump light?

You never bring up that rather egregious tactical error, Ace. Instead you just whine about Rubio being late to the game in criticizing Trump (which isn't true, but insofar as it has merit, Rubio was only following the Cruz playbook).

And of course, it's amazing that for all of the electronic ink you've spilled talking about tribalism, etc., you don't seem to understand that it does flow both ways, doesn't it.

"You don't get to dictate who we vote for anymore. We tell YOU who you need to vote for now."

Well, no. Not really, you don't.

But I'll vote for Cruz. Assuming that he gets the delegates to secure the nomination. Which he won't.

Rubio's got a better path to the nomination than Cruz.....but about maybe 10% better.

So yeah, if we're doomed to Trump, I choose #NeverTrump. You can vote for him, or hey, write in Cruz. I can write in Rubio or whomever.

You wanted to burn it down, right? We'll get to see how that plays out soon.

Posted by: Vyce at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (HI7nL)

375 "
Take the time now to prepare you and yours for the burning times."

Your bunker is that way------------------>

Bye bye

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (WnCSK)

376 M&P,

You said:

"
Shhhh. Be quiet. They are planning to compromise and select Cruz against the voters will. "

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (dciA+)

377 >>>Those 5% are an incredible drain on our economic growth by depressing wages,

This is the complete crap that people tell themselves so they can pretend we live in the 1970's. Read a book. You think wages are depressed here? Go to Vietnam--that's where the job is going if wages here become un-"depressed".

You all act like we can build a wall around ourselves and be insulated from global markets. Ultimately you'll just watch the last of our jobs go elsewhere, our economy stagnate and then dwindle and our debt spiral into national bankruptcy.

But goddamnit, you were looking out for the little man!

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (xB4nF)

378 360 All five of them.

All Federal informants.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:53 PM (rwI+c)


No, *four* federal informants. That fifth guy's going to feel really, really stupid when this is all over.

Posted by: AD at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (QWY55)

379 366 Take comfort in the fact that it really doesn't matter who you vote for. The country was finished when Obama was elected to his second term. Now we are just on the downward slope to ruin. Demographically, financially, culturally....we are past the tipping point.

Take the time now to prepare you and yours for the burning times.
Posted by: jjod3 at February 29, 2016 09:55 PM (3UYA

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This^

Posted by: SMFH at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (rlfds)

380 'no one really likes him'

I do.

Posted by: Steve D at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (CZjLT)

381 Isn't there only like 2 now...thought 3 just got stabbed or something.
Posted by: Skeezix
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Well, yeah, now that Robert Byrd (esteemed Democrat) is gone.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (w35Hj)

382 Neal Dewing is just so funny... and helpful

http://bit.ly/1WSKxNK

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (8PbKi)

383 Over/Under on Maet's next tough-talk post regarding Da Rules, and zero-tolerance regarding personal attacks ?

I call dibs on Wednesday morning.

There's a pattern ...

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (qmMG2)

384 I don't know as Ace is arguing that the GOP should be saved so much as this is their only chance of being saved. Personally I don't really give a crap one way or another what happens to the Republican party.

If the GOP had a brain they'd have backed Fironia, not Jeb. But its run by a batch of chiseled in stone elites out of touch with the nation let alone their own alleged party members and base.

And now its all coming down on them. They lost our nation. They blew it. They were the only ones that could have stopped this crap and saved the Republic but they wouldn't step up because it was risky and could cost them jobs and money and influence and acceptance where they care about it most: beltway and Manhattan and those sweet parties with Pedo Island nymphets you can snort quality Bolivian marching powder off of.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (39g3+)

385 I voted for Cruz and the wife did too (Texas early voting). The daughter was supposed to vote already but didn't so I'm driving her to the polling place tomorrow.

It's nice nice to see some love for Cruz on here.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (W7sM1)

386 Ventured over to HotGas/NoAir and find that Trump is now threatening to go 3rd Party (again) if he doesn't get his way.
He really cares about this country and beating Hillary. Sure he does.
Posted by: redridinghood at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (7GQM/)

He is threatening to go 3rd party if the Republican Elites try to steal the nomination from him dumb ass. Get a life or learn to read

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (DUoqb)

387 American Thinker is saying that David Duke denies ever endorsing Trump. So in effect Trump's being smeared for not repudiating a non-endorsement.

He's not my guy, you understand. But I believe in being fair.



Posted by: ALH at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (Z56vq)

388 From Nate Silver earlier today:

Share of voting-eligible population to have voted Trump:
IA: 2.0%
NH: 9.7%
SC: 6.5%
NV: 1.8%

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (t5zYU)

389 Interesting thing is that he may be the most intelligent candidate, despite his Bible thumping and his respect for the small folk.

Posted by: West Town at February 29, 2016 09:10 PM (ZFdMp)

Despite???

Those are part and parcel of his intelligence.

Posted by: Blano at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (3eoPa)

390 Hey everybody.

Have no idea if it's true or not, but claims are rising at Twitter that DT is having Secret Service remove people from his rallies for no discernible reason whatsoever.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (ntObR)

391 "Trump/Cruz is still viable. That is a winning ticket."

Just don't see how that can be plausibly put back together after both men have been taking vicious nut shots at one another for months now, in full view of the public.

Imagine the mea culpas.

"I may have said that the Senator is a congenital liar and a Canadian national who is constitutionally disqualified for the Presidency, but that's all behind us now as we move forward as a team."

"I may have said that Mr. Trump is psychologically unstable, vulnerable to fraud allegations, and possibly financially tied to the Mafia, but I'm proud to share the ticket with him. On to November!"

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 09:58 PM (noWW6)

392 Posted by Ace at 08:59 PM Comments


Agreed.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 29, 2016 09:58 PM (nhHPu)

393 I am sick and tired of all the Trolls here saying Trump is a stalking horse for hillary. Put or shut up and get fuckin lost
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:33 PM (DUoqb)

I don't think he's a stalking horse. Not at all. I just don't think the enthusiasm will be there to go for Hillary's jugular. It won't be as easy as it has been with RubioCruzBushCarson etc., and I'm positive she's not going to concern herself with playing nice and not pissing him off.

Posted by: antisocialist at February 29, 2016 09:58 PM (cDs+4)

394 The answer to cutting 20 trillion in debt is probably not in losing 5% of our population.


The top 10% of income pay what % of taxes?

You're not dealing with linear quantities. Linear tools will not help you here.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 09:58 PM (uURQL)

395 Wait, this KKK thing is coming up again? Did AD get unbanned?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 09:58 PM (Wckf4)

396 Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 09:54 PM (TcGpp)

There is an argument to be made that if Trump does not break 50% he is not really the "Will of the People." He is merely the one the largest minority fragment could agree on. Therefore it would be necessary to find a candidate a true majority of the party could get behind.

Do not get me wrong, I think the GOP would be fucking morons to try to go for a brokered convention given the current mood. I am just saying there is a logical argument that could be made about it. Not a sane one, but at least logical.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 29, 2016 09:59 PM (iHjB5)

397 >>382 Neal Dewing is just so funny... and helpful

Yeah, I've never gotten the appeal of that dude.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 09:59 PM (t5zYU)

398 Because I do not believe Ted Cruz alone, without some might big coattails, will unite conservatives in anything but yet another failure.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 09:45 PM (vgERT)
______

Maye against Barack Obama. But after 8 years of Democrat rule and with the left defeated in the primaries, a Cruz victory would be more likely than not. Also: Clintons baggage.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 29, 2016 09:59 PM (jJ48T)

399 Looks like the GOP is imploding in front of our very eyes.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 29, 2016 09:59 PM (voOPb)

400 Frankly, I no longer view "stopping the GOP from breaking apart into pieces" as a plus. I'm in that emotional state that Whig voters were in in the 1850s; this party is no longer of any value, and must be discarded in favor of something better.

Posted by: James King at February 29, 2016 09:59 PM (0OG8D)

401 I'm sick of this shit. I met Ted Cruz and his wife and they are very likeable. What's not to like? Wtf????

Posted by: Heddy at February 29, 2016 09:59 PM (BoJzR)

402 There's a lot of "only MY GUY can win!"

That's the "electable!!!!" of 2016.

People seem to be deeply, deeply uncomfortable with the notions of

1) other people making up their own minds regarding who to vote for, and
2) other people actually having the temerity to disagree with their own personal favorites.

I think it's possible that Trump could beat Hillary and/or Sanders.

I also think it's possible that Trump will have a Trumpian meltdown when the full force of the MSM blowtorch is directed upon him 24/7, and at some point he'll cross the line from "Go Trump Go" to "Good lord, the guy IS a lunatic!"

We do not know.

Trump supporters think he'll be just fine, since he's sailed through the GOP nomination process so far, relatively unscathed. He's said some pretty stupid things and had to backtrack a few times already, but the media have let him get away with it, because it's just the Republican primary. I sincerely doubt he'll get the same relative free pass in the general election.

Past results are not necessarily predictive of future returns.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:00 PM (s5o+q)

403 American Thinker is saying that David Duke denies ever endorsing Trump. So in effect Trump's being smeared for not repudiating a non-endorsement.

So even less substance than the hypothetical gay wedding that wanted pizza for their reception.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:00 PM (uURQL)

404 >>>I don't know as Ace is arguing that the GOP should be saved so much as this is their only chance of being saved. Personally I don't really give a crap one way or another what happens to the Republican party.


given that scalia died and thomas won't remain on the bench forever (people quit when they're faced with the bleak prospect of always being in the minority), I'd say that it is worth keeping a potentially winning coalition intact for ONE more election.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 10:00 PM (dciA+)

405 Senator Jeff Sessions has put full faith and trust into Donald Trump. That is good enough for me.

I'm going Trump with happiness and enthusiasm.

Posted by: Drider at February 29, 2016 10:00 PM (6Xbsz)

406 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 29, 2016 09:35 PM (dvuhZ)

And Europe is in no better shape. It's almost like the global elites have rigged the game.

Posted by: WOPR at February 29, 2016 10:00 PM (LTDSy)

407 Oh goody, ANOTHER Bernie ad in which he promises to confiscate my wealth and give it to slackers and leeches.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 10:00 PM (t5zYU)

408 I figured you'd make one big, last push to try and get some folks to come to their senses with Trump and I applaud you for it. But I think it's too little, too late. This amount of pressure should have been applied day one of Trump's announcement. Certainly after his first populist speech about a wall. But the torches are soaked and lit at this point. Ain't nothing left but the burning times.

Trump will absolutely stab us right between the shoulder blades. We want a wall and an end to amnesty and we will get a gold plated White House and 12 million new Americans.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 29, 2016 10:00 PM (pUDQf)

409 I see four KKK members.

Posted by: Jean Luc Picard at February 29, 2016 10:00 PM (FkBIv)

410 Looks like the GOP is imploding in front of our very eyes.

You can't piss on your base year after year and expect to do anything else.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (oVJmc)

411 Earnest Tubb lives.


Posted by: Ralph at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (A3edJ)

412 The road to saving the country runs thru destroying the Stupid Party.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (CaYEg)

413 College-educated, white-collar, suburban, life-long Republican here.
I don't caucus until Saturday - but it will be for Cruz. I would LOVE to vote for Cruz in the general, but my vote goes to the Constitution Party in the general if Trump or Rubio is the nominee. And if that means Hillary wins - eh, she won't be much worse for American than either of the other two clowns.

Posted by: Parker at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (ATuUs)

414 The only man who can actually defeat Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Ace at 08:59 PM

___________________

The very reason no one likes Cruz is that he acts like royalty. Like we owe him our fealty for some act of being born with blue blood. He is smug.

It's like upside down time or something to hear you champion him like hes anti-establishment. He's what everyone hates about the establishment!!! And talk about smug... he's the only one who likes our Constitution? Really? That's pretty elitist of you and Cruz to keep saying that.

The Royal Bearer of the Only True order of the Constitution is, drum roll.... Ted Cruz.... and look at that establishment resume. He is just a big f'in deal, and he knows it.

Ted Cruz is the preacher in Footloose. Establishment is his persona.

But hey I'll vote for him, nobody's perfect. But his smug superiority is a hard sell.

He'll have to come over to the new party for that to happen however. I hope he gets an invite.

Posted by: flower at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (VoCyE)

415 Bah! Off, hot chick with a dude's name sock!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (0OG8D)

416 Share of voting-eligible population to have voted Trump

And this compares to previous elections and candidates? Is it low, high, indifferent?

Imagine the mea culpas.

Easy enough. "I was just busting his balls, that's politics, I said early on he's a great guy and everyone knows how smart he is, yadda yadda"

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (39g3+)

417 But so are car wrecks. I don't want the U.S.A. to be a car wreck any more than anyone else here, ideological differences aside.
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The wreck has already occurred, 7 years ago. We're into triage now.

Concern
[x] noted

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (w35Hj)

418 I don't get why people don't like Cruz. He seems like a decent guy to me. People are dumb.

Posted by: freaked at February 29, 2016 09:08 PM (BO/km)



Because a limp wristed, lefty fruit with no experience who allowed them to assuage their white guilt (even though he hates whitey), who hated the country too but it made them feel cool to vote for him so they did. That's how farking dumb and brainwashed a large part of this country is.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (45oDG)

419 Take comfort in the fact that it really doesn't matter who you vote for. The country was finished when Obama was elected to his second term. Now we are just on the downward slope to ruin. Demographically, financially, culturally....we are past the tipping point.

Take the time now to prepare you and yours for the burning times.
Posted by: jjod3
*****

While I agree, I will still try.
In the meantime, I am buying ammo, food, body armor, etc.

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (hVdx9)

420 "Trump/Cruz is still viable. That is a winning ticket."

Just don't see how that can be plausibly put back together after both men have been taking vicious nut shots at one another for months now, in full view of the public.

Imagine the mea culpas.

"I may have said that the Senator is a congenital liar and a Canadian national who is constitutionally disqualified for the Presidency, but that's all behind us now as we move forward as a team."

"I may have said that Mr. Trump is psychologically unstable, vulnerable to fraud allegations, and possibly financially tied to the Mafia, but I'm proud to share the ticket with him. On to November!"
Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 09:58 PM (noWW6)


It's politics. Bedfellows, strange, making of.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (s5o+q)

421
382 Neal Dewing is just so funny... and helpful

http://bit.ly/1WSKxNK
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (8PbKi)



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It's the Neal Dewing's of the world that make rolling the dice with Trump seem a little less crazy.

Posted by: Dave S. at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (mhkbv)

422 AAaaand there's Hannity sucking Trump's dick again.

*hits off button*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (FsuaD)

423 Cruz had his shot. He stumped at the King, and he missed.

Posted by: Make America Mexico Again at February 29, 2016 10:02 PM (6e9oS)

424 He is threatening to go 3rd party if the Republican Elites try to steal the nomination from him dumb ass. Get a life or learn to read
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (DUoqb)

And I honestly don't blame him. The eGOP made such an issue about swearing an oath of allegiance or whatever, seems like it ought to work both ways. Otherwise, all bets should be off.

Posted by: antisocialist at February 29, 2016 10:02 PM (cDs+4)

425 "Your bunker is that way------------------>

Bye bye"

Wow...ok...adios

Posted by: jjod3 at February 29, 2016 10:02 PM (3UYA8)

426 But in terms of the party? He's the hated outsider counter cultural type.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 09:47 PM (39g3+)

An abrasive cog in the GOP his whole working life would be more accurate.Rubio, a well-greased wheel working smoothly with the rest of the machine pretty much his whole working lie.
Both cases we are to believe just happened to decide to run or senate in the GOP on a whim, but strong party values both.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 29, 2016 10:02 PM (T78UI)

427 Trumps events today have been plagued by vocal, disruptive BLM protestors today who are trying very hard to provoke a confrontation with anyone providing security, including the Secret Service. The Secret Service doesn't take orders from Trump per se

Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 10:02 PM (zOTsN)

428 I'll write in Daffy Duck before I vote for Trump.


Posted by: Ralph at February 29, 2016 10:02 PM (A3edJ)

429 did the hildebeast start building her happy fun camps yet?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 10:02 PM (ucDmr)

430 Past results are not necessarily predictive of future returns.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:00 PM (s5o+q)

Great point.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 29, 2016 10:02 PM (iHjB5)

431 Europe is actually a bigger basket case than we are financially and economically. We're the least ugly diseased whore in the whorehouse compared to them.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 29, 2016 10:03 PM (dvuhZ)

432 *hits off button*

As you should ... that's gross.

My Stormy Daniels / Stacey Dash ticket would have been better.

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 10:03 PM (qmMG2)

433 Meh, I could live with Cruz.

He's not the obnoxious, loud-mouthed human wrecking-ball, the avatar of SMOD, the chosen form of the Destructor, but we could do worse.

But don't fool yourselves - the long slow grind downhill will continue, if he prevails.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 29, 2016 10:03 PM (/33sy)

434 >>Wtf????

This is the attack that the DC crowd have against Cruz because THEY HAVE NOTHING ELSE.

I think they hate Cruz because he negates their entire argument for Rubio - which is based on identity politics (age, ethnicity).

Cruz is Rubio if he was smart enough to become a Constitutional scholar instead of a failed football player.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 10:03 PM (t5zYU)

435 "I'll write in Daffy Duck before I vote for Trump."

Oh brilliant.

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 10:03 PM (WnCSK)

436 Jane, at this stage Hannity is Violet Beauregarde to Trump's Wonka. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 29, 2016 10:03 PM (ntObR)

437 "Just looked it up. Total Credit Market Debt Outstanding is now $62.5T.
Again, this is the sum of all debt in the system, public vs private."

And the percentage of that debt which will go nonperforming in even a modest recession is scary as hell. It's as solid as soaked cardboard.

So then we'll be back to good old Too Big To Fail, with the caveat that the big banks have become even _moar_ consolidated and centralized during the Obama years.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 10:04 PM (noWW6)

438 405 Senator Jeff Sessions has put full faith and trust into Donald Trump. That is good enough for me.

I'm going Trump with happiness and enthusiasm.
Posted by: Drider at February 29, 2016 10:00 PM (6Xbsz)

________________

I saw Sessions pander to the KKK, by supporting Trump on the very day of the pander. That is it. He's dead to me. This is not the Party of the KKK.

I would rather lose every election until the second coming than join up with the KKK.

Posted by: flower at February 29, 2016 10:04 PM (VoCyE)

439 There are a lot of defeatists here tonight.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 10:04 PM (t5zYU)

440 422: Hannity is a buffoon. Buy some blinds!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 10:04 PM (ucDmr)

441 I just scrolled to the bottom to say what is making me run around my home screaming and ripping hair out! I don't even know if this is in any way salient to this thread conversation! I just finished watching that beotch Megan Kelly. Her entire program was devoted to bashing Trump over the KKK biz. Who gives a s--t about the KKK -they are not an issue in this election! It's just a way to stamp someone as raaaaacist! I am sick to death of racist and PC and no more free speech and the more FOX bashes Trump, the more I support him! I think most folks are like that! I did early voting here in Texas and did not vote Trump--and yet--I wish I had. I want some junk yard dog to clear the rats out of the attic and he might just do it!

Posted by: AnnaS at February 29, 2016 10:04 PM (P+I7L)

442 379
366 Take comfort in the fact that it really doesn't matter who you vote
for. The country was finished when Obama was elected to his second term.
Now we are just on the downward slope to ruin. Demographically,
financially, culturally....we are past the tipping point.



Take the time now to prepare you and yours for the burning times.

Posted by: jjod3 at February 29, 2016 09:55 PM (3UYA



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This^

Posted by: SMFH



Yep.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 10:04 PM (vgERT)

443 Have no idea if it's true or not, but claims are rising at Twitter that DT is having Secret Service remove people from his rallies for no discernible reason whatsoever.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (ntObR)


If it's on Twitter, it must be true!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 10:04 PM (wYnyS)

444 So, the guy who is getting bashed the most by the GOPe and the globalists, birm, is the guy we're not supposed to vote for.
Mmmmmkay.

And yeah, what Thunderb said at 311.
*****
If those were bigger they'd look like stars.

Posted by: teej at February 29, 2016 10:04 PM (lidPb)

445 "There are a lot of defeatists here tonight."

Its not just tonight....unfortunately.

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 10:04 PM (WnCSK)

446 Hroth, LOL.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 29, 2016 10:05 PM (ntObR)

447 Posted by: flower at February 29, 2016 10:04 PM (VoCyE)

Go to your BLM meeting

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 10:05 PM (DUoqb)

448 428
I'll write in Daffy Duck before I vote for Trump.




Posted by: Ralph at February 29, 2016 10:02 PM (A3edJ)


Or, you could write in our cat Spanky. She only wants food and petting. And gives back lots of loves.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 10:05 PM (FsuaD)

449 403 American Thinker is saying that David Duke denies ever endorsing Trump. So in effect Trump's being smeared for not repudiating a non-endorsement.

Duke better listen back to his own radio show. It's the semantics game. I don't really care to criticize any candidate for getting unwanted endorsements but ask yourself what Cruz would have said if he was told that David Duke had endorsed him.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at February 29, 2016 10:05 PM (MNgU2)

450 440 422: Hannity is a buffoon. Buy some blinds!
------

More affordable than Gold Chavez

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 29, 2016 10:05 PM (voOPb)

451 420 "Trump/Cruz is still viable. That is a winning ticket."

Just don't see how that can be plausibly put back together after both men have been taking vicious nut shots at one another for months now, in full view of the public.

Imagine the mea culpas.

"I may have said that the Senator is a congenital liar and a Canadian national who is constitutionally disqualified for the Presidency, but that's all behind us now as we move forward as a team."

"I may have said that Mr. Trump is psychologically unstable, vulnerable to fraud allegations, and possibly financially tied to the Mafia, but I'm proud to share the ticket with him. On to November!"
Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 09:58 PM (noWW6)

It's politics. Bedfellows, strange, making of.
Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (s5o+q)
***
It's nothing personal. Just business.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 29, 2016 10:05 PM (/33sy)

452 Europe is actually a bigger basket case than we are financially and economically. We're the least ugly diseased whore in the whorehouse compared to them.

Am hearing reports that they're in a better spot demographically, though.

As a % of the total population, their muslims are much less than our illegals ... and the molotovs are already coming out.

They're correcting ... will have to see where the US goes with 2016 and beyond.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:06 PM (uURQL)

453 A little mood music:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ifhe6GQsxUo

Posted by: bergerbilder at February 29, 2016 10:06 PM (IeXP9)

454 I was called a defeatist ...

Posted by: Moses at February 29, 2016 10:06 PM (qmMG2)

455 @417 - I get you think I'm a troll. Don't worry, I'm not so concerned that I actually want Rubio or Cruz to win. There, is that better?

I do actually read (and very rarely comment) for dialogue, not trolling. Sometimes even with Ace himself.

I do think that, objectively, Trump as President would be far worse than any Democrat ever thought of W, or any Republican ever thought of Obama. YMMV.

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at February 29, 2016 10:06 PM (/ZL5g)

456 " Dan Senor who worked for Romney and now Rubio, say he will not vote for Trump and suggest that another Republican will arise to run but not as the Republican nominee. Christy Todd Whitman just said she will vote for Hillary over Trump."

Wow, that is a bit of unsurprising news. Your typical redefined conservatives that handed Obama 8 years in office and then low and behold the same redefined conservatives fund every red cent of Obama's progressive agenda and MORE.

You really have to hand it to these principled redefined conservatives. They feel that either by inaction or voting for Hillary. That helping put her in office for 8 years will result in a more crystalline view of conservatism.
Hahahha, Honestly for what these redefined conservatives lack in principles, they more than make up for it in fatally flawed critical thinking.

Posted by: Drider at February 29, 2016 10:06 PM (6Xbsz)

457 Here is. Ruiz saying same exact thing on Levin's show.

http://tinyurl.com/jod3z2u

Posted by: Carol at February 29, 2016 10:06 PM (sj3Ax)

458 ... also called a defeatist.

Posted by: Noah at February 29, 2016 10:06 PM (qmMG2)

459 The kicking and screaming is glorious to behold.

Posted by: Rastus at February 29, 2016 10:06 PM (tV5gR)

460 438 I didn't hear anyone say they --nor did I hear Trump say--they wanted to be a "part of the KKK."

Posted by: AnnaS at February 29, 2016 10:06 PM (P+I7L)

461 255 But Clinton is a fucking criminal who should be in jail and thinks LESS of the constitution than Trump.

And? Since when is it the proletariat's job to stop criminals?

Every day, social media is chock full of bureaucratic USG assholes that come along stating "the FBI/NSA/CIA/DIA/DoD/DoJ/DoS all know how badly she fucked up, and she should be doing time, but it's up to the voters to stop her and to do that you need to vote for Trump".

People that swear an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. People who actually have the information and means to end this bitch and force the DoJ's hand in prosecution, or dissolve the legacy of Barack Obama like a goddamned ST disruptor set to "shake and bake".

But instead of doing their jobs, they sit on their fucking hands, passing the buck onto the backs of the American people.

And I don't have to tell you- if you think the unelected Federal agent collecting six figures on a cushy GS rate is lazy, you should see the slob sitting in front of the boob tube in the Ozarks getting his allotment every four weeks.

It's not our job to fix this, and I am sick and fucking tired of lazy careerist assholes failing to uphold their oaths and lay it on me. And I'm especially tired of them telling me to vote for the very clownshoe HRC's husband directed to get into the race- who has unchecked first-order instincts to the left of Hillary herself.

Posted by: Fringe at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (+GIZJ)

462 Every single Mexican or illegal that waltzes over the border and drops 1,2 ,3 5 kids is a magnificently incredilble drain on our immense social welfare system.

They are low, skilled, poorly educated, even in their own language and the jobs they take are low paying.

In our progressive tax structure they pay virtually nothing but sales tax and other use taxes.

They actually get tax credits from fed gov even if they are illegal.


So anyone that tell you with a straight face they are a net benefit is a fucking idiot.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (ILoaF)

463 "Shhhh. Be quiet. They are planning to compromise and select Cruz against the voters will. "

I was joking about that. Nobody here has the power to stop the movement going on out there.

Voters are voting. As they should be.

I didn't mean you were part of anything like the elites and the convention crap.




Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (TcGpp)

464 >>>could write in our cat Spanky. She only wants food and petting. And gives back lots of loves.
----
Plus she's cute too Jane

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (voOPb)

465 This is the complete crap that people tell themselves so they can pretend we live in the 1970's. Read a book. You think wages are depressed here? Go to Vietnam--that's where the job is going if wages here become un-"depressed".

You all act like we can build a wall around ourselves and be insulated from global markets. Ultimately you'll just watch the last of our jobs go elsewhere, our economy stagnate and then dwindle and our debt spiral into national bankruptcy.

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (xB4nF)

Foreman: Do this for minimum wage or we're shipping your job to Vietnam!!!
Worker: I'm a plumber.

I think you should learn to read and think critically and not just take what is said by the economists as divine pronouncements.

Merchantilism, what made America great.

Posted by: WOPR at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (LTDSy)

466 #427: Maybe he should embrace Louis Farrakhan's endorsement, and ask Calypso Louie for a cadre of hard, pipe-hittin' n*****s to help deal with those BLM types.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (0OG8D)

467 417 But so are car wrecks. I don't want the U.S.A. to be a car wreck any more than anyone else here, ideological differences aside.
-------------

The wreck has already occurred, 7 years ago. We're into triage now.

Concern
[x] noted
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 10:01 PM (w35Hj)

_________________

Could be, it might have started in 2006.

Definitely was not helped by the Obama years.

Obama wanted to transform America.

Still think he's incompetent? I like Rubio think he knows exactly what he is doing and he wants America to be just the way he is making it.

Posted by: flower at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (VoCyE)

468 Ted Cruz is revolutionary enough for the populists, without being too revolting for the Polite Set.

====

Cruz is the least appealing variant of an old mindset. He collects together elements of both the neocon hawks and the old style religious right -who, unnoticed so far, have largely subsumed themselves towards a broader traditionalist camp, making his overtures towards a group that has largely already departed from the scene.

I'll readily agree he is "the most conservative" and he's welcome to wear that merit badge with pride.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (Cq0oW)

469 Not a defeatist !!! Stood my ground !!!

Posted by: Custer at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (qmMG2)

470 I saw Sessions pander to the KKK, by supporting Trump on the very day of the pander. That is it. He's dead to me. This is not the Party of the KKK.

I would rather lose every election until the second coming than join up with the KKK.

Posted by: flower at February 29, 2016 10:04 PM (VoCyE)
_______

Im not on Team Trump, but this is really ridiculous. The Klan has history with Sessions. Believe me: they hate him.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (jJ48T)

471 I wonder what Trump is offering Hannity?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (FsuaD)

472 Rubio is now plus four versus HRC. I take Ace's point that this assumes no Trump as third party, which is a fair point. But if you think Trump isn't going third party if Cruz wins, you're smoking what Bernie Bros. are smoking. And Trump will hurt Cruz more than Rubio.

You hate amnesty. Guess what? So do I. That shouldn't blind you to the fact that Rubio is still the best choice among this group. Cruz is NOT capable of saving the party because Trump will still split the party and Cruz cannot beat HRC, particularly with Trump around but even if Trump did sit out, which he won't.

God this is depressing.

Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (hxoxN)

473 439 There are a lot of defeatists here tonight.

Yeah, that happens when you see the lights going out.

Posted by: Parker at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (ATuUs)

474 We will still need a majority in the House and Senate.
Trump doesn't care.
I was looking forward to this election since 2008, then 2012, now I feel sick about this whole burn it down attitude. This is my country and it is hanging by a thread. I want to save it.
Trump changes his mind every hour & I don't even think he knows what he wants. It always seems to depend on who's interviewing him.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 29, 2016 10:08 PM (7GQM/)

475 I just received a long blegmail from Rubio outlining his positions on a number of issues and how they differ from Trump's.

The issues addressed were:
Taxes
Healthcare
Veterans
Social Security
Higher Education
Jobs

Notice anything missing?

Uh huh.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 29, 2016 10:08 PM (8PbKi)

476 Im not on Team Trump, but this is really ridiculous. The Klan has history with Sessions. Believe me: they hate him.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (jJ48T)

Don't repost the troll's nonsense.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 10:08 PM (DUoqb)

477 On the one hand, as a political junkie and a Blue guy, of course it's fascinating.

...

And yet, I get why a lot of people are going full-on LIB.

Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (/ZL5g)


I'm having a hard time staying a political junkie, given how corruption has run riot and almost nobody gives a damn. I've always leaned at least a little (and often a lot) Libertarian, if only based on the idea that a small enough government can't bone everyone at once.

I honestly don't get Blues, other than the most basic Bleeding Heart motivations. I mostly get Reds, but then primary season comes along and suddenly it's a Sam Kinison impersonation contest.

For me, LIB was always personal - don't stroke out trying to stop a tidal wave with a soup spoon. A lot of people took the "make it burn" interpretation and subsequently set their own hair on fire.

I'm not sure it could make any difference now, but I remember, once or twice, in the old days, those red vs blue non-screaming discussions. It seems in general people who want to do that can't and most don't want to.

Too many ways for people to recharge their ideological batteries are available, so pretty much nobody feels a need to discuss things.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 29, 2016 10:08 PM (bLnSU)

478 Cruz beats HRC? I want numbers.

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (Uk9e2)

479
It's nothing personal. Just business.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine



TFG and the Clintons hated the hell out of each other.

And Obama made Hilly his Sec State.



It's all pro-wrestling , all the way down.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (vgERT)

480 "Meh, I could live with Cruz. He's not the obnoxious, loud-mouthed human wrecking-ball, the avatar
of SMOD, the chosen form of the Destructor, but we could do worse."

Something I simply cannot parse: the number of people who say that they don't like Cruz because he is "abrasive".

A goodly percentage of whom turn out to like Don Trump. Whose personal manners are not exactly those of a vicar at a garden party. On an abrasiveness scale, Trump is 60 grit.

Are people simply more tolerant of dickishness if the guy who is being a dick has a stack of money?

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (noWW6)

481 Yea........no.

Trump will get a majority of the GOP masses and a significant minority of the DEM masses....because he talks to the middle 60% of the country. When people point out he is not a polished politician - in an attempt to mock - the masses say - yea, that's the point.

That's the point.

Posted by: Tracy Coyle at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (SXT9g)

482 I see a Rubio/Cruz wing forming tomorrow after Cruz loses his home state of TX.

Posted by: Pepper at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (A3kYV)

483 454 I was called a defeatist ...
Posted by: Moses at February 29, 2016 10:06 PM (qmMG2)


Dynasty Today headlines:

Exiled Illegal Immigrant Starts Wildfires, Plagues in Sinai Desert
- Pharoah Mourns sudden death of son

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (s5o+q)

484 I do think that, objectively, Trump as President would be far worse than any Democrat ever thought of W, or any Republican ever thought of Obama. YMMV.
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at February 29, 2016 10:06 PM (/ZL5g)


Excellent. I'm all in for Trump, and I look forward to seeing him gore all of your cows.

It's only fair, after Obama.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (uURQL)

485 I would rather lose every election until the second coming than join up with the KKK.
Posted by: flower
-------------------

*?*
Who asked you to join the KKK?
Robert Byrd?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (w35Hj)

486 I dunno' ... maybe we could've tried harder to fight the good fight.

Posted by: Carthaginians at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (qmMG2)

487 471: Jane, do you really want to know? I don't.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (ucDmr)

488 >>>The top 10% of income pay what % of taxes?

You're not dealing with linear quantities. Linear tools will not help you here.

Where do you think their money comes from? It comes from their customers. Throw 5% out of the market here and then go to them shaking your cup. Who actually is thinking linear here?

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (xB4nF)

489 390 Hey everybody.

Have no idea if it's true or not, but claims are rising at Twitter that DT is having Secret Service remove people from his rallies for no discernible reason whatsoever.
Posted by: qdpsteve at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (ntObR)


Why would he want to have fewer people at his rallies?

Also, I thought that most sane people had already quit Twitter.

Posted by: rickl at February 29, 2016 10:10 PM (sdi6R)

490 I don't care about the party and I'm definitely not voting for Cruz to save it.

Posted by: gfy at February 29, 2016 10:10 PM (jOxVV)

491 Something I simply cannot parse: the number of people who say that they don't like Cruz because he is "abrasive".

A goodly percentage of whom turn out to like Don Trump. Whose personal manners are not exactly those of a vicar at a garden party. On an abrasiveness scale, Trump is 60 grit.

Are people simply more tolerant of dickishness if the guy who is being a dick has a stack of money?
Posted by: torquewrench




Trump is better about being a scoundrel, it's simply part of his schtick.

Posted by: Pepper at February 29, 2016 10:10 PM (A3kYV)

492 Trump: I have great respect for Fox, but Steven Hayes shouldn't be on the air.

Really Trump Fans?? Do you want this guy as president/CiC?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 10:10 PM (FsuaD)

493 Trump wins nomination, Hillary holds off DOJ long enough to become president, and that's that.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at February 29, 2016 10:10 PM (sqs5K)

494 The lights ain't necessarily going out.

This is Strauss and Howe 4th Turning Crisis event. Realignment.

America will do one of two things. It will come out of this shit show renewed into a new High phase, reborn and repurposed.

Or we will destroy ourselves and whatever remains will not be America as we know it.

That's all. Buckle your seat belts.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 29, 2016 10:10 PM (dvuhZ)

495 Its like they say about alcoholics that they need to hit bottom before they can reform.... Well this is pretty close to bottom id say

Posted by: E.T. at February 29, 2016 10:10 PM (yq4gk)

496 Are people simply more tolerant of dickishness if the guy who is being a dick has a stack of money?

If he's the Big Leader, yes. Then that dickishness becomes leadership and assertiveness.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:10 PM (uURQL)

497 Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (hxoxN)


So do you have it on good authority or something that Trump won't also split the party over Rubio?


Might wanna roll that one around in your head a little longer.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 10:11 PM (Wckf4)

498 SMOD, I knew you would come!!! Hallelujah!

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 29, 2016 10:11 PM (CaYEg)

499 McCain won't mention amnesty and illegal aliens either. Nor Rubio, nor Kasich


The word has gone out

Stop talking about the fucking border!

Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 10:11 PM (zOTsN)

500 478
Cruz beats HRC? I want numbers.

Posted by: Feh


Who needs numbers?


Cruz is the only one who can do it!

Because reasons.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 10:11 PM (vgERT)

501 In the end ... defeated. Hence, defeatist.

Posted by: Spartacus at February 29, 2016 10:11 PM (qmMG2)

502 I am conflicted over Cruz. He is the only Constitutional conservative, yet he is Constitutionally ineligible to be president. But we've had one ineligible serve as president for nearly 8 years with disastrous results. Cruz would not fvck over the country as Obama has done.

But still, rule of law. Devil's bargain.

Posted by: fly gal at February 29, 2016 10:11 PM (fCkMv)

503 "Trump wins nomination, Hillary holds off DOJ long enough to become president, and that's that."

Ok...now that its settled, see you after November.

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 10:12 PM (WnCSK)

504 Maybe it's the alcohol talking. Love you guys, regardless of who you are voting for and batten down the hatches and prepare for some rough seas.

The whole world is changing rapidly and it's only going to get worse.

Posted by: Max Power at February 29, 2016 10:12 PM (QCc6B)

505 @437

Just did a little math.

To pay off our 20trillion dollar debt at a mortgage horizon of 30 years nets an annual payment of $666,666,666,666.00 per annum.

Interesting no?

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Posted by: Kreplach at February 29, 2016 10:12 PM (EmUe0)

506 Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 29, 2016 10:00 PM (pUDQf)

Yep this nonsense should've been nipped in the bud. I guess some were hoping the stunt candidate would kick over the chessboard and then drop out after performing this much needed service ( and I give him credit for that).

I dunno. He's on Hannity now, and I can't even watch. They say Cruz is unlikeable or funny-looking, but the very sight of Trump's roadkill hair, ape mouth and pig eyes has repelled me for DECADES. I don't vote based on appearance, but I also dislike this double standard for the two candidates.

Posted by: stace at February 29, 2016 10:12 PM (ozZau)

507 454 I was called a defeatist ...
Posted by: Moses at February 29, 2016 10:06 PM (qmMG2)

Since when is realism confused with defeatism?

There needs to be one candidate vs Trump. But if Katshit or the Doc won't drop out how do you expect Cruz to drop out. At least Cruz has won a state that's more than Mario can say.

Trump cannot take the general. And the senate flips back to democrat. So the burning continues

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 29, 2016 10:12 PM (voOPb)

508 ***"Trump is better about being a scoundrel, it's simply part of his schtick."***


He also can't deny the scruffy looking part.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 10:12 PM (Wckf4)

509 Where do you think their money comes from? It comes from their customers. Throw 5% out of the market here and then go to them shaking your cup. Who actually is thinking linear here?


EBT is prosperity, people!

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:12 PM (rwI+c)

510 Cruz won't lose Texas

Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 10:13 PM (zOTsN)

511 Are people simply more tolerant of dickishness if the guy who is being a dick has a stack of money?
Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (noWW6)

******

Uuummm...yeah, they are. If Trump were a Plumber in Queens, we would not be talking about him right now, would we?

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 29, 2016 10:13 PM (FNw4R)

512 It occurs to me -- I always thought the left was class conscious. And that was annoying and dangerous.

Ace is at least as bad, those articles were about stuff the left cares about.

I guess America does have a class system.

Merit does seem a good way to determine who gets the top spot... so if you don't like living at the bottom go back get an education, or invent something cool and move up.

It does puzzle me that the only guy who didn't go to an Ivy League school and is thus not at all part of any elite... is the one you call elitist.

I'm thinking a mirror check is called for.

Posted by: flower at February 29, 2016 10:13 PM (VoCyE)

513 "Trump cannot take the general."

Fucking tea leaves again?

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 10:13 PM (WnCSK)

514 let's not forget: the many many republicans who voted for obama. at the time they claimed they wouldn't and didn't and then admitted that they did.

don't be so sure they won't vote for trump.

Posted by: sally at February 29, 2016 10:14 PM (ych1E)

515 Posted by: Kreplach at February 29, 2016 10:12 PM (EmUe0)

*rumbles hungrily*

Posted by: The Barrel at February 29, 2016 10:14 PM (s5o+q)

516 Hi, petunia.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 10:14 PM (FsuaD)

517 I am conflicted over Cruz. He is the only Constitutional conservative, yet he is Constitutionally ineligible to be president.


Yes he is.

Posted by: Grump928(C) can likewise assert shit at February 29, 2016 10:14 PM (rwI+c)

518 but I remember, once or twice, in the old days, those red vs blue non-screaming discussions. It seems in general people who want to do that can't and most don't want to.

====

after shows like Firing Line ended everyone does that online with worse arguments

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 29, 2016 10:14 PM (Cq0oW)

519 Cruz is eligible

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 29, 2016 10:14 PM (voOPb)

520 People will not commit a political act which causes them to lose social face or reduce their own estimation of their social class, and that is what supporting Donald Trump represents for this class.

The Vichy GOP turds can just blow me. I could not care less about what they may or may not do. I really could not. They are bottom-dwelling scum and traitors.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (zc3Db)

521 I do wonder why Trump had to sign a loyalty pledge to back the R nominee, and that just doesn't seem matter to the other side now when it looks like Trump might get the nomination.

Posted by: fish...the lowercase one at February 29, 2016 09:19 PM (4E9eO)

They assumed he would flame out quickly, like a lot of people did.

Now that he's about to beat them, they're getting all pissy. Trump hasn't been my first pick, but I'm pleased at how he has exposed the traitorous RINO scum for all to see.

Posted by: Blano at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (3eoPa)

522 I'm thinking a mirror check is called for.

Been nice having you here ...

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (qmMG2)

523 Ace

Risk Wilson thinks youre,stupid stupid stupid for not bowing down to The Amnesty God.

Posted by: TexasJew at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (fNQ3H)

524 Oh shit. cutting and pasting from excel is bad juju.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (EmUe0)

525 Here's the USAT article about Trump having students removed.

http://usat.ly/1ndIHe6

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (8PbKi)

526 When people point out he is not a polished politician
---------------------

But, what if someone points out that he is a flaming shitheel, a vulgar, clownish, blustering, buffoonish landscape of immoral psychopathology?

Just a hypothetical question, of course...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (oFSUK)

527 Cruz is eligible

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 29, 2016 10:14 PM (voOPb)


Incorrect.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (zc3Db)

528 Wait till hillary choses julian castro as VP...still gonna vote for Daffy Duck?

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (WnCSK)

529 Trump cannot take the general. And the senate flips back to democrat. So the burning continues
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 29, 2016 10:12 PM (voOPb)

****

That may or may not be true. No one, at this point, can say that with any certainty.

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (FNw4R)

530 Where do you think their money comes from? It comes from their customers. Throw 5% out of the market here and then go to them shaking your cup. Who actually is thinking linear here?
Posted by: spongeworthy at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (xB4nF)



Your earlier post talked about 5% of the population and now you're talking 5% of the market here.

Who are you talking about?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (uURQL)

531 I am the only one who can unite both men and women, since I am a woman with a penis and testicles.

I am the only one who can unite conservatives and liberals, since I am a professing conservative, but a tranny, and liberals love that.

I am the only one who can unite blacks and whites, since I am Kanye West's mother-in-law.

*I* am the only one who can unite this country!

Posted by: Caitlyn/Bruce Jenner 2016 at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (xUkfn)

532 so the catpiss troll is up to it's old antics of changing it's nic

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (0O7c5)

533 The money to keep up the welfare cases comes from Uncle Debt. A portion of which is loaned to him by China and the others. They got the money from all the cheap shit we buy from them.

It's a perpetual motion trade deficit debt machine. We give them money for cheap shit made by slave labor and they lend it back to us to buy more cheap shit, some of which keeps the EBT class up.

It's wonderful, magical stuff.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (dvuhZ)

534 Hannity just had Trump come on by walking through a crowd of adoring fans. The Trump candidacy is looking more like Kim Jong Un's regime every day, I don't get how the creepy cult of personality doesn't turn more people off. But any complaints Trumpies had about Megyn Kelly 30 minutes ago, they can't deny Fox has some people basically licking Trump's boots.

Posted by: Cjw at February 29, 2016 10:16 PM (zHVM/)

535 Hannity is Trump's bitch.

So tired of this shit.

'Night, all.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 10:16 PM (FsuaD)

536 Incorrect.

As always, the law and the courts are agin ya.

Posted by: Grump928(C) can likewise assert shit at February 29, 2016 10:16 PM (rwI+c)

537 Incorrect.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (zc3Db)

****

Oh, For Fucks Sake....

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 29, 2016 10:16 PM (FNw4R)

538 Cruz won't lose Texas
Posted by: ThunderB

I hope you're right. I really do think though if he does lose, he needs to drop out the next day and should look at forming some sort of fusion ticket.

Basically he's been coming in 3rd or worse in every contest since Iowa.

If you can't beat Trump in your own backyard, the primary is over.

Posted by: Pepper at February 29, 2016 10:17 PM (A3kYV)

539 I may be teh only Moron whut has met with Ted Cruz, had a brief conversation with him, and even got a photo to brag of the event.

That was back in Jan 2014.

Anyone who says that Mr. Cruz isn't likeable, hasn't sat in an audience and heard him speak, much less met and have taken the measure of the man.

I have, and I was more than happy to have early-voted for Ted Cruz in the Texas primary.

Oh, and this is where I give Ace a Standing Ovation for his excellent and spot-on summation of the facts.

That Ewok U is a better law school than Trump U is a business academy, there can be no doubt.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 29, 2016 10:17 PM (McRlu)

540 To many trolls for me tonight

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 10:17 PM (DUoqb)

541 Ace nailed it.

You aren't "sticking it to the man" by voting for The man.

You aren't saving the party by voting for the GOPe

Not that I give a shit about the party. If I read its obituary tomorrow, I would smile.

Either the notion that principles matter wins, or it's time to just admit its all over and buy that reloading set I've been looking at, and begin stocking up on more ammo. In that case, to hell with everyone, and don't come looking for help from me. (And that goes for family members stupid enough to vote for this steaming turd of Democrat and Republican progressivism.)

And no, that's not defeatism, just the opposite. The nomination is in God's hands, now, but prosperity, as always, is in mine.

Posted by: K-Bob at February 29, 2016 10:17 PM (8Z3rC)

542 >>>Merchantilism, what made America great.


Yes, because our entire economy is built around plumbers and the like.

I swear I don't know what world you all are living in. If we cannot compete, we're done. Pretending we can insulate ourselves is the road to decline.

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 29, 2016 10:17 PM (xB4nF)

543 #519: Then he can release the paperwork showing him to be eligible, can't he? Why is he refusing?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 10:17 PM (0OG8D)

544
of SMOD, the chosen form of the Destructor, but we could do worse."

Something I simply cannot parse: the number of people who say that they don't like Cruz because he is "abrasive".

A goodly percentage of whom turn out to like Don Trump. Whose personal manners are not exactly those of a vicar at a garden party. On an abrasiveness scale, Trump is 60 grit.

Are people simply more tolerant of dickishness if the guy who is being a dick has a stack of money?
Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (noWW6)

I assume it's the same as the schoolyard. People want to be friends with the alpha. Even if the alpha is a bombastic fuckwit.

Me, that's why I hate the guy. I loathe narcissistic bullies. He's everything I hated growing up.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 29, 2016 10:17 PM (pUDQf)

545
This is Strauss and Howe 4th Turning Crisis event

=====

which calls for a Grey Champion. Bernie? Hillary? Trump?

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 29, 2016 10:17 PM (Cq0oW)

546 Incorrect.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (zc3Db)


Is too!

Is not!

Yawn.

Pure FUD.

If you doubt it, go ask the Illinois state election commission about their opinion.

We'll wait.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:18 PM (s5o+q)

547 It's wonderful, magical stuff.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 29, 2016 10:15 PM (dvuhZ)



Until the clock strikes midnight.

That's when the screaming and burning begins.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:18 PM (uURQL)

548 535
Hannity is Trump's bitch.


Maybe so. But he apparently can count.

*shrug*

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 10:18 PM (vgERT)

549 I am conflicted over Cruz. He is the only Constitutional conservative, yet he is Constitutionally ineligible to be president.
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Is [x]
Isn't [ ]

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 10:18 PM (oFSUK)

550 Yeah ... I'm pretty sure I hit on something tonite ...

... the GOP is done. Because we're done with each other.

Mind you - I'm not calling for unity. About time the masks fell off, I think.

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 10:18 PM (qmMG2)

551 Ted Cruz gives the word "Backpfeifengesicht" new meaning.

Posted by: Gerry Todd at February 29, 2016 10:18 PM (w+mZJ)

552 Then he can release the paperwork showing him to be eligible, can't he?


??? Is there a certificate of eligability? That would resolve everything.

Posted by: Grump928(C) can likewise assert shit at February 29, 2016 10:18 PM (rwI+c)

553 482 I see a Rubio/Cruz wing forming tomorrow after Cruz loses his home state of TX.


I live in Texas, Cruz is going to win here easily, beating Trump by double digits.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at February 29, 2016 10:19 PM (yos+4)

554 Na na na na, hey hey hey

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 29, 2016 10:19 PM (CaYEg)

555 Ted Cruz gives the word "Backpfeifengesicht" new meaning.


***

And the old meaning?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 29, 2016 10:19 PM (8PbKi)

556 523 Ace

Risk Wilson thinks youre,stupid stupid stupid for not bowing down to The Amnesty God.
Posted by: TexasJew at Fe
****

Stupid is unfair. Ace isn't being stupid.

Vain and spiteful, perhaps.

And full of Rubio Derangement.

Posted by: Vyce at February 29, 2016 10:19 PM (HI7nL)

557 No Cruz ads in Florida???? Too early or not bothering?

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 10:19 PM (WnCSK)

558 The one good thing to come out of this is that Karl Rove and the Bush dynasty have been discredited, with the side benefit that Mike Murphy probably will never get to skim from another campaign.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 10:20 PM (wYnyS)

559 Well I heard audio of those allegedly "silent" "students" on the edit

They were loud as hell and disruptive and the radio reporter said they were BLM, which has been following the Trump campaign

Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 10:20 PM (zOTsN)

560 550
Yeah ... I'm pretty sure I hit on something tonite ...



... the GOP is done. Because we're done with each other.



Mind you - I'm not calling for unity. About time the masks fell off, I think.

Posted by: Irony



maybe so...

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 10:20 PM (vgERT)

561 Here's where Ace is wrong:

It's not elitism to note that stupid people are falling for an obvious con facilitated by a ratings-obsessed MSM. Shaming the shameful isn't necessarily a sign of the class-obsession.

Much if not most of Rubio's support isn't driven by an unbridled love for Marco Rubio, but a perception that he's the best option in the general of the three remaining plausible nominees. Given that Trump is a bad joke straight out of Idiocracy central casting, and Cruz's anti-charismatic public persona just doesn't come across as very likeable (I've heard he's much better in private), why wouldn't those who are primarily driven by the desire to beat Hillary come to support him, warts and all?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 29, 2016 10:20 PM (KRwzj)

562 "I do think that, objectively, Trump as President would be far worse than any Democrat"

Have you looked at Sanders' tax plan?

Apparently not.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 10:20 PM (t5zYU)

563 390 Hey everybody.



Have no idea if it's true or not, but claims are rising at Twitter
that DT is having Secret Service remove people from his rallies for no
discernible reason whatsoever.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (ntObR)

Saw a news clip today of the SS grabbing an, IIRC, AP reporter by the throat and slamming him to the floor hard.

Yep, good times.


Posted by: Ralph at February 29, 2016 10:21 PM (A3edJ)

564 "America will do one of two things. It will come out of this shit show renewed into a new High phase, reborn and repurposed.

Or we will destroy ourselves and whatever remains will not be America as we know it."

---

Considering the Idiocracy-like country we now reside in, I'm going with the latter.

Posted by: SMFH at February 29, 2016 10:21 PM (rlfds)

565 Second look at FenlonSpoke's HappyThread?

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:21 PM (s5o+q)

566 497 Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 29, 2016 10:07 PM (hxoxN)


So do you have it on good authority or something that Trump won't also split the party over Rubio?


Might wanna roll that one around in your head a little longer.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 10:11 PM (Wckf4)

Might want to roll it yourself. I conceded that Trump will go third party either way, so the party is split no matter what happens here. So why then pick Cruz when Trump will run against him as well? At least with Rubio if Trump has trouble getting on some ballots or fades due to more dirt coming out, you have a general election candidate that independent voters like the most.

Either way, Ace's analysis wrongly assumes that Trump will just go silently if Cruz comes out of nowhere and wins. And that ain't happening.

Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 29, 2016 10:22 PM (hxoxN)

567 As always, the law and the courts are agin ya.

Posted by: Grump928(C) can likewise assert shit at February 29, 2016 10:16 PM (rwI+c)


Just making shit, huh? The courts have NEVER heard a natural born citizen case. NEVER. But just go ahead and claim that they have. They have certainly rejected a whole bunchy of such cases. None on the merits, of course, but for bullshit excuses of "standing".

And the law has never been detailed, either. The closest anyone got to that was Chester Arthur hiding the fact that his father was not an American at Chet's birth.

But don't let me stop you from making ridiculous claims and acting as if they are fact ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:22 PM (zc3Db)

568 Posted by: Ralph at February 29, 2016 10:21 PM (A3edJ)

I thought the AP guy grabbed the SS dude first?

Posted by: thathalfrican at February 29, 2016 10:22 PM (R5HRU)

569 The. Sky. Is. Falling.

Posted by: zzBottom at February 29, 2016 10:22 PM (rBb/v)

570 549

Is [x]
Isn't [ ]
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 10:18 PM (oFSUK)

Was (Not Was)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83nFiPoSuzU

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 29, 2016 10:22 PM (/33sy)

571 #552: I'm not sure what sort of paperwork he needs to prove his eligibility, but he did make the effort of asking Canada to seal all records related to his birth.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 10:22 PM (0OG8D)

572 Second look at FenlonSpoke's HappyThread?

It's still there!

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:23 PM (uURQL)

573 563 390 Hey everybody.



Have no idea if it's true or not, but claims are rising at Twitter
that DT is having Secret Service remove people from his rallies for no
discernible reason whatsoever.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (ntObR)

Saw a news clip today of the SS grabbing an, IIRC, AP reporter by the throat and slamming him to the floor hard.

Yep, good times.

And who had chest-bumped him and told the SS officer to "Fuck Off"

Posted by: Gerry Todd at February 29, 2016 10:23 PM (w+mZJ)

574 I live in Texas, Cruz is going to win here easily, beating Trump by double digits.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at February 29, 2016 10:19 PM (yos+4)

****

As someone who could happily vote for Cruz or Trump, I now ask.....Then what?

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 29, 2016 10:23 PM (FNw4R)

575 Just making shit, huh? The courts have NEVER heard a natural born citizen case. NEVER.

So there you go. Nothing to hang your assertion on.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:23 PM (rwI+c)

576 Ventured over to HotGas/NoAir and find that Trump is now threatening to go 3rd Party (again) if he doesn't get his way.
He really cares about this country and beating Hillary. Sure he does.
Posted by: redridinghood at February 29, 2016 09:56 PM (7GQM/)

He is threatening to go 3rd party if the Republican Elites try to steal the nomination from him dumb ass. Get a life or learn to read
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 09:57 PM (DUoqb)
--------------------
I read it and it's the stuff he's been threatening for a long time.
Sorry, but he is like a pouty little baby that stomps his feet if he doesn't get his way.
He puts himself first over his country.
Sorry we disagree. That's life.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 29, 2016 10:23 PM (7GQM/)

577 I would rather lose every election until the second coming than join up with the KKK.
Posted by: flower


We have kkkookkkies!

Posted by: The KKKeebler Elves at February 29, 2016 10:23 PM (oVJmc)

578 Posted by: stace at February 29, 2016 10:12 PM (ozZau)

And we rail on Democrats for double standards.

Cruz is funny looking but Donald is not

Cruz talks funny but Trump making up words like biggly is kewl.

Cruz has a funny face but Trump's bleached eye bags and permanent scowl are inviting.

SMH

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 29, 2016 10:24 PM (pUDQf)

579 I'm watching Ken Burns "The Civil War", seems appropriate

Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 10:24 PM (zOTsN)

580 He puts himself first over his country.

Gotta' admit ... so do I.

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 10:24 PM (qmMG2)

581 So there you go. Nothing to hang your assertion on.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:23 PM (rwI+c)


And nobody seems to want to talk about the Illinois state election commission decision. Weird, huh?

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:24 PM (s5o+q)

582 objectively, Trump as President would be far worse than any Democrat"
-------
Have you looked at Sanders' tax plan?

Apparently not.
Posted by: Y-not
---------------

Y-not - You missed 'objectively', see? That makes the statement indisputable. I mean, the science is settled.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 10:25 PM (oFSUK)

583 Are you new here, flower?

This is not a good way to get acquainted with the horde.

Posted by: ALH at February 29, 2016 10:25 PM (Z56vq)

584 but he did make the effort of asking Canada to seal all records related to his birth.


Like what? Is there some other record besides his birth certificate? He was 4 years old when he moved to Texas.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:25 PM (rwI+c)

585 ACE IS RIGHT!

Posted by: redridinghood at February 29, 2016 10:25 PM (7GQM/)

586 583
Are you new here, flower?



This is not a good way to get acquainted with the horde.





Posted by: ALH at February 29, 2016 10:25 PM (Z56vq)

flower smells of the old catpiss troll

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 29, 2016 10:26 PM (0O7c5)

587 555 Ted Cruz gives the word "Backpfeifengesicht" new meaning.


***

And the old meaning?

A face that deserves to be slapped.

Posted by: Johnny LaRue at February 29, 2016 10:26 PM (w+mZJ)

588 Me, that's why I hate the guy. I loathe narcissistic bullies. He's everything I hated growing up.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 29, 2016 10:17 PM (pUDQf)

One of the good things to come from this should be that people who say the way to handle a bully is by ignoring them should never speak again.

Remember this, kids. Remember this always. And shove it in your teacher's face as much as possible.

Posted by: AD at February 29, 2016 10:26 PM (QWY55)

589 For every political elite who says that they will never vote for that gosh Trump....

The Political elites who GET MEDIA ATTENTION....

There are 20 or so Angry Guys at the end of the Bar, who say piss on the other candidates... who no one gives media attention.

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 10:26 PM (RK8AH)

590 filbert,
I'll be right behind you.

Posted by: CaliGirl at February 29, 2016 10:26 PM (egOGm)

591 I'm watching Ken Burns "The Civil War", seems appropriate
Posted by: ThunderB
---------------

I know how it ends.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 10:26 PM (oFSUK)

592 So much butthurt and wishcasting in one little thread.

Sheesh.

Time for bed.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 10:26 PM (vgERT)

593 Flower is petunia who may be cat piss

Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 10:26 PM (zOTsN)

594 583 Are you new here, flower?

This is not a good way to get acquainted with the horde.

Posted by: ALH at February 29, 2016 10:25 PM (Z56vq)

---

No, it's not new here.

catpiss, petunia, wtfever it's name, is certifiable.

Posted by: SMFH at February 29, 2016 10:26 PM (rlfds)

595 Ruh Roh

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 29, 2016 10:26 PM (FNw4R)

596 >> It's not elitism to note that stupid people are falling for an obvious con facilitated by a ratings-obsessed MSM.

Phyllis Schlafly, Chris Christie, Ann Coulter, Newt Gingrich, Steve Forbes, Sarah Palin, Jeff Sessions

These people you mean?

Posted by: Rastus at February 29, 2016 10:26 PM (tV5gR)

597 bump

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:26 PM (rwI+c)

598 AD ---->Barrel

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (oFSUK)

599 Are you new here, flower?
This is not a good way to get acquainted with the horde.


flower is the new name of petunia, highly concerned republican who will vote hillary to stop trump.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (uURQL)

600 Again: this is Let It Burn. We need the GOP and DNC to collapse. We need the existing political status quo broken into rubble. We need to let the system destroy itself.

Ace, it kinda seems like you're backing off the actual hard work part of "Let It Burn"; watching it happen.

Posted by: s at February 29, 2016 09:10 PM (HCXGq)

That isn't how it will play out. Go for Trump out of spite or Rubio out of Ed Morrissey-like delusion and you get the destruction of the GOP, not the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party will get along just fine, thanks. They'll have Hillary in the White House and the right people whispering in that doddering crone's withered ear and there'll be hell to pay.

You say Let It Burn. 'It' will not be the miraculousspontaneous combusion of the bad guys in the final reel. 'It' will be us, our freedoms and our rights and our Republic. That 'Let It Burn' business is folly.I'm sick of reading it, seeing it, hearing it. You truly don't know what you're asking for.

Posted by: troyriser at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (Hz/9Y)

601 YUM!

Posted by: The Barrel at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (s5o+q)

602 >>>Just making shit, huh? The courts have NEVER heard a natural born citizen case. NEVER.

So there you go. Nothing to hang your assertion on.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:23 PM (rwI+c)


LOL. I hang my assertion on the definition of the phrase for the Founders and the fact taht dual citizens were most definitely NOT natural born citizens to them (which is all that counts).

You are the one who makes up shit about the courts having already decided (which is nothing but a 100% LIE) and that the law was already known to include people born anywhere to a foreign parent.

Do you even read what you write?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (zc3Db)

603 I can't take this anymore ... the opinions are so slanted.

Good evening y'all.

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (qmMG2)

604 Save tags FTW!

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (FNw4R)

605 AD,

Come to me.

Now.

Posted by: The Barrel at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (rlfds)

606 Ad, please report to the white courtesy barrel.

...

No, the WHITE barrel.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (iHjB5)

607 Re Civil War. For those not familiar with Strauss and Howe. There thesis is this: Every 80 years or so (four generations), America goes through a shit how, an existential crisis which consists of sort of a reset, the bill we've run up in the past comes due, with gaping wounds being exposed and all that. A Reckoning and Reset.

Previous three were Revolution, Civil War, GD/WWII.

And were right on schedule for number 4. They wrote the book in the 90s and, in general times, spoke like damned prophets about what was going to soon transpire. There would be some big crisis that splits us apart and gives us an existential crisis to deal with.

And, lo and behold, here it is.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (dvuhZ)

608 598 AD ---->Barrel
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (oFSUK)


You got me.

Posted by: AD at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (QWY55)

609
Cruz talks funny but Trump making up words like biggly is kewl.

===

yer gettin wee weed up

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 29, 2016 10:28 PM (Cq0oW)

610 Trump doesn't have time to run independent, too late now, and there are no viable third parties with enough ballot access that would have him. None after the GOP convention for sure. So the specter of Trump going 3rd party is now basically impossible. So yes they can either put someone else in at the convention or have a late charge from Rubes or Cruz dethrone him, and Trump can't do squat.

Posted by: Cjw at February 29, 2016 10:28 PM (zHVM/)

611 Stuck in a hotel in Chicago watching Hannity suck up to Trump. I feel dirty . . . .

Posted by: McCool at February 29, 2016 10:28 PM (fvzCW)

612 "Second look at FenlonSpoke's HappyThread?"



This thing has been a shit show.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 29, 2016 10:28 PM (u8kqM)

613 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (zc3Db)

I assume you've informed the Illinois state board of elections of their error?

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:28 PM (s5o+q)

614 And here come the c3bio supporters...
Yeah, let's vote for a guy that we KNOW for a fact will push amnesty... Jaysus.

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at February 29, 2016 10:29 PM (hVdx9)

615
The Vichy GOP turds can just blow me. I could not care less about what they may or may not do. I really could not. They are bottom-dwelling scum and traitors.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair


I keep turning it over and over in my mind, are they being bribed? Blackmailed? Or physically threatened? Why would so many of these people be so nonchalant about the destruction of their own country that allowed them to do so well, that formed their cultural atmosphere?

But maybe that's overthinking it. They are traitorous shits and that's all that is relevant.

Posted by: angela urkel at February 29, 2016 10:29 PM (xUkfn)

616 So yes they can either put someone else in at the convention or have a late charge from Rubes or Cruz dethrone him, and Trump can't do squat.

And then the GOPe burns. One victory like that and they will be undone.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:29 PM (uURQL)

617 These people you mean?Posted by: Rastus at February 29, 2016 10:26 PM (tV5gR)

Yes, those people. Idiots, all of them--especially the ones like Palin who claim to be real-deal conservatives.

Posted by: troyriser at February 29, 2016 10:29 PM (Hz/9Y)

618 No Cruz ads in Florida???? Too early or not bothering?

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 10:19 PM (WnCSK)
____

Not bothering I guess. Florida is winner-take-all and Cruz wont win, so there is no upside to improving his vote share.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 29, 2016 10:29 PM (jJ48T)

619 Do you even read what you write?

Yes. I also move my lips when I read. The point is, Cruz was American at birth. A natural born American. He was never any other nationality. He has no loyalties to any other country beside the US. You mistake the means, and a highly stretch and minority view of the means, for the ends.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:29 PM (rwI+c)

620 At least with Rubio if Trump has trouble getting on some ballots or fades due to more dirt coming out, you have a general election candidate that independent voters like the most.


Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 29, 2016 10:22 PM (hxoxN)


So you've got one assumption based on woefully unreliable data (that Rubio's polling numbers with indies are better than with Cruz) at this early stage.


And that independents are the key to victory. 2012 should have disabused you of such objectively silly notions, but you seem pretty new around here, so there's that.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 10:29 PM (Wckf4)

621 > Ace, it kinda seems like you're backing off the actual hard work part of "Let It Burn"; watching it happen.

Turns out the military looks nothing like the Peace Corps. You might actually have to look a mother fucker in the face and slit his throat. Whoda thought?

Posted by: Rastus at February 29, 2016 10:30 PM (tV5gR)

622 610 Trump doesn't have time to run independent, too late now, and there are no viable third parties with enough ballot access that would have him. None after the GOP convention for sure. So the specter of Trump going 3rd party is now basically impossible. So yes they can either put someone else in at the convention or have a late charge from Rubes or Cruz dethrone him, and Trump can't do squat.
Posted by: Cjw at February 29, 2016 10:28 PM (zHVM/)

And doing that right now would be bug nuts insane.

Why do I write so many posts defending Trump? I do not even sort of like the guy!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 29, 2016 10:30 PM (iHjB5)

623 Well before you praying types go to bed, say a prayer for our country

Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 10:30 PM (zOTsN)

624 AD, you taste like chicken.

Posted by: The Barrel at February 29, 2016 10:30 PM (hVdx9)

625 He was never any other nationality.

Err, he was Canadian. Had a citizenship to renounce and all.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:30 PM (uURQL)

626 Man, you type one paragraph in response to someone and by the time you post, they're 30 comments back.

This place often move too fast.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:31 PM (rwI+c)

627 This is Strauss and Howe 4th Turning Crisis event

=====

which calls for a Grey Champion. Bernie? Hillary? Trump?

----

Romney. Draft Romney, he has demonstrated he can reunite the country by working with the democrats as he did in Massachusetts.

Posted by: Andruss Leftgarter at February 29, 2016 10:31 PM (FrHFf)

628 #581: They said he's eligible, all right. How did they arrive at this decision? What paperwork did they see that we can't?

For all I know, maybe the Illinois election board is a bunch of leftists who see Cruz as the best chance of stopping Trump, and ruled accordingly. Illinois is a deep blue state, after all, and we know leftists are guided by a single principle: how does this advance the communist revolution?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 10:31 PM (0OG8D)

629 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 29, 2016 10:27 PM (dvuhZ)

It would seem that Vietnam would be in there. That truly ripped the country apart.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 29, 2016 10:31 PM (pUDQf)

630 No Cruz ads in Florida???? Too early or not bothering?

***

He's been running an ad during the FNC hows for a few days now. It's a terrific ad that highlights his record rather than attacking his opponents.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 29, 2016 10:31 PM (8PbKi)

631 Well before you praying types go to bed, say a prayer for our country
Posted by: ThunderB at February 29, 2016 10:30 PM (zOTsN)


And I remind you all that the traditional burnt sacrifice is a goat or a sheep, if you go that route.

Posted by: The Chicken at February 29, 2016 10:31 PM (s5o+q)

632 Didn't have time to read above, how many heads exploded?

Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 10:32 PM (/dSsq)

633 I assume you've informed the Illinois state board of elections of their error?

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:28 PM (s5o+q)


?? If you have something to say then friggin say it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:32 PM (zc3Db)

634 This thing has been a shit show.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 29, 2016 10:28 PM (u8kqM)


Like Gallagher's audience, come prepared with a poncho and/or tarp.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 29, 2016 10:32 PM (JO9+V)

635 I need a chaser of watching Charlton Heston reading from the letters of Alexander Hamilton at the Melonville Baths.

Posted by: Johnny LaRue at February 29, 2016 10:32 PM (w+mZJ)

636 Cruz now on Hannity

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 29, 2016 10:32 PM (8PbKi)

637 This is Strauss and Howe 4th Turning Crisis event

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which calls for a Grey Champion. Bernie? Hillary? Trump?

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Romney. Draft Romney, he has demonstrated he can reunite the country by working with the democrats as he did in Massachusetts.
Posted by: Andruss Leftgarter at February 29, 2016 10:31 PM (FrHFf)


Oh, that's Obama. No doubt.

His hair is variably gray, after all.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:32 PM (s5o+q)

638 Was the concept of dual citizenship even around in the 18th century? I find that hard to believe.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (bZ7mE)

639 Cruz is as eligible as that fucking Indonesian or Kenyan poser assclown we have now. Forget the birther shit.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (ucDmr)

640 Err, he was Canadian. Had a citizenship to renounce and all.

Yeah, not really. While there's no accounting for what foreigners might thin or who they might try to claim, I think he might have still have needed to do something affirmative to claim any Canadian citizenship since he was a baby when he lived there. He at least is clear that he never considered himself Canadian and rejects any claims they might have on him.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (rwI+c)

641 It's not elitism to note that stupid people are falling for an obvious con facilitated by a ratings-obsessed MSM.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 29, 2016 10:20 PM (KRwzj)
_____

And how exactly isnt this true of Rubio and the righty media?

The lack of self-awareness at work here is just stunning.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (jJ48T)

642 198 I had a college professor who used to call a few of us students in for informal discussions in his office. He would find a subject that we all agreed upon and take the other side of the argument. He would proceed to argue us right down onto the floor.

Then he would say, "But, on the other hand" and proceed to destroy the argument he had just made that put us on the floor.

I think this man may have been ace's grandfather.
Posted by: Meremortal at February 29, 2016 09:30 PM (3myMJ)
Videtur quod.....

Sed contra....

Respondeo atque...

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (/33sy)

643
Not bothering I guess. Florida is winner-take-all and Cruz wont win, so there is no upside to improving his vote share.


Remember when FL was going to be a big windfall to ensure Heb's nomination?

LULZ.

Posted by: The KKKeebler Elves at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (oVJmc)

644 ?? If you have something to say then friggin say it.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:32 PM (zc3Db)


You're the one who knows all about the issue.

I assumed you would be up on the news.

My mistake.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (s5o+q)

645 Northern Virginia here, and voting for Cruz.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (TnUKj)

646 25 Voting for Cruz tomorrow.

Yay Jane!

Posted by: Lily at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (Qm82t)

647
Romney. Draft Romney, he has demonstrated he can reunite the country by working with the democrats as he did in Massachusetts

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epic fail

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 29, 2016 10:34 PM (Cq0oW)

648 571 #552: I'm not sure what sort of paperwork he needs to prove his eligibility, but he did make the effort of asking Canada to seal all records related to his birth.
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He released his Canadian birth certificate in January.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 10:34 PM (t5zYU)

649 These people you mean?

People who endorsed Trump after the MSM made him the overwhelming frontrunner? No.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 29, 2016 10:34 PM (KRwzj)

650 Graham talks about murdering Cruz on the senate floor. I think Cruz is less acceptable to the establishment than Trump. I further think that these days the Republican moralist/religious faction (and I count myself as one even if I'm starting to despise them) are the ones most opposed to Trump, not the Establishment (which thinks it can control him), on account of Trump not wanting to obey Tapper's compliance tests.

Posted by: Johnny at February 29, 2016 10:34 PM (MZKpF)

651 "Because he focuses on procedure and unpopular technical issues (like 10th amendment), when all the public wants is somebody who "does something" - process be damned."

I support Ted Cruz but I definitely understand this criticism. A nasty fighter is what is required for the battles that we face and Ted just doesn't seem like that guy. Conservatives no longer have the luxury of dithering endlessly over process and propriety. If the Democrats and Republican Quislings succeed in giving amnesty to 30 million illegals then the great American experiment is over.

Posted by: Mike Honcho at February 29, 2016 10:34 PM (f/UVC)

652 The Cruz birther thing to me was not about what some rogue Court would do, it was what it would do in front of voters.


Let's say Obama had indeed been born in Kenya, it would have been a big problem with him at the ballot box.

Posted by: Pepper at February 29, 2016 10:36 PM (A3kYV)

653 Was the concept of dual citizenship even around in the 18th century? I find that hard to believe.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (bZ7mE)


Europe has been intimate with the notion of dual/multiple nationality for centuries. It is a very, very old concept that the Founders knew all too well - and had no stomach for.

Dual nationality was not an unknown concept to the Founders. Not in the least.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:36 PM (zc3Db)

654 Trump winning is the end of conservatism and the beginning of white nationalist populism, so why not blow up the convention to oust him? If it dooms the GOP so what, the party is finished if Trump is the nominee, so how are they worse off? The difference is that Trump winning kills both the party and the conservative movement.

The only ways to save small-government conservatism from Trump is to either screw him at the convention or form a party-in-exile that loudly disavows everything he does from June through November then reasserts control.

Posted by: Cjw at February 29, 2016 10:36 PM (zHVM/)

655 Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (rwI+c)

Just the opposite... he had to put in a form to rescind his citizenship...


He did it in... 2014....


Somehow this great legal scholar did not KNOW he was a Canadian...


/facepalm


Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 10:36 PM (RK8AH)

656 650 Graham talks about murdering Cruz on the senate floor. I think Cruz is less acceptable to the establishment than Trump. I further think that these days the Republican moralist/religious faction (and I count myself as one even if I'm starting to despise them) are the ones most opposed to Trump, not the Establishment (which thinks it can control him), on account of Trump not wanting to obey Tapper's compliance tests.
Posted by: Johnny at February 29, 2016 10:34 PM (MZKpF)

I think they hate them both. If they wanted Trump, all they would have to do is say nothing... and I do not believe they are smart enough for a brier rabbit-like situation.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 29, 2016 10:36 PM (iHjB5)

657 "He released his Canadian birth certificate in January."

I doubt you will see the irony of this statement.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 10:36 PM (TcGpp)

658 >>He released his Canadian birth certificate in January.

Sorry, his b.c. was released in August 2013 but there's a picture of it in an article from last month. His mom's b.c. was released in January.

Link http://tinyurl.com/gos8l3h

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 10:37 PM (t5zYU)

659 Hmmm. Tough crowd.

Posted by: antisocialist at February 29, 2016 10:37 PM (cDs+4)

660 Yes, but can fire *really* melt steel?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 10:37 PM (Wckf4)

661 Wow. Duke Lowell gets a Sidebar apology from Ace.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:37 PM (rwI+c)

662 >>I doubt you will see the irony of this statement.

Just as I doubt you'll follow the link I just provided.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 10:37 PM (t5zYU)

663 I keep hearing what a smart guy Cruz is. But then I keep seeing, "Oh, I forgot to disclose those campaign loans... Oh, I forgot that I was a Canadian citizen... Oh, Mitch McConnell tricked me into supporting that bill... Oh, I totally changed my mind on H1-B visas a few months ago..."

For such a smart guy, Cruz sure makes a lot of mental errors.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 10:37 PM (0OG8D)

664 The answer to cutting 20 trillion in debt is probably not in losing 5% of our population.

Illegal alien criminals can all go fuck themselves.

Period.

Posted by: Blano at February 29, 2016 10:38 PM (3eoPa)

665 I'm all for Cruz and I agree with Ace. But I don't know that Cruz can beat Hillary.

For that to happen, I think the Baby Boomers as a generation would have to swing away from Hillary and to Cruz, and I don't see that happening.

Posted by: heartofdarkness at February 29, 2016 10:38 PM (MQ0Jr)

666 Well, I'm in Texas, so tomorrow morning, I'll get up, teach my early classes and vote for Cruz in the afternoon. He will lose the nomination, and then I'm done with politics for 2016. Trump can go suck eggs.

Posted by: Keith Eppich at February 29, 2016 10:38 PM (O0M4Y)

667 653
Was the concept of dual citizenship even around in the 18th century? I find that hard to believe.



Posted by: Grey Fox at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (bZ7mE)



Europe has been intimate with the notion of dual/multiple
nationality for centuries. It is a very, very old concept that the
Founders knew all too well - and had no stomach for.



Dual nationality was not an unknown concept to the Founders. Not in the least.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:36 PM (zc3Db)

Actually, Lafeyette was granted Dual US / French Citizenship by a special Act of Congress.
He is the only one in US History.... so yes, the knew the concept, but did not want it here.

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 10:38 PM (RK8AH)

668 I sure hope that Rubio drops out after tomorrow night.

He will be 0 for like 10.

It would be a blessing to never have to hear his voice again.

Posted by: ALH at February 29, 2016 10:38 PM (Z56vq)

669
This is like watching someone trying to dig a hole by beating themselves over the head with a shovel.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 29, 2016 10:38 PM (bLnSU)

670 Somehow this great legal scholar did not KNOW he was a Canadian...

He's not Canadian. Canada might think he is, but he doesn't. France might consider my cousin French, but she'd sock you in the nose if you said so.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:39 PM (rwI+c)

671 The only ways to save small-government conservatism from Trump is to either screw him at the convention or form a party-in-exile that loudly disavows everything he does from June through November then reasserts control.


What small government conservatism? The GOPe murdered the Tea Party.

And now the GOPe shall die. Murder weapon, Trump.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:39 PM (uURQL)

672 Sammy Maudlin show is on...I'm outta here.

Posted by: Johnny LaRue at February 29, 2016 10:39 PM (w+mZJ)

673 I'm still waiting for someone to point out some evidence that Cruz is loyal to Canada, or the Queen, or whatever you guys are worried about.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:39 PM (rwI+c)

674 As someone who could happily vote for Cruz or Trump, I now ask.....Then what?

Well It should be a pretty good boost for Cruz, he won't get over 50% which means he won't get all the Texas delegates, but he'll do well enough to get most.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at February 29, 2016 10:40 PM (yos+4)

675 You're the one who knows all about the issue.

I assumed you would be up on the news.

My mistake.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (s5o+q)


LOL. Yeah ... Illinois Board of Elections is of utmost importance in the eligibility debate ... Just as New Jersey and a bunch of other states let AN ALIEN - yes, a non-AMerican, a foreigner, a NON-citizen - on the Presidential ballot in 2004 and 2008. Maybe you should defer to them?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:40 PM (zc3Db)

676 >> Trump winning is the end of conservatism and the beginning of white nationalist populism, so why not blow up the convention to oust him?

I really don't understand where stupidity like this comes from. Seriously, where are you getting this nonsense? Conservatism dead? The GOP isn't conservative and hasn't represented actual conservatism since Reagan. What will it take to wake you up to that reality? The absolute only hope of having even a prayer of restoring some kind of true conservatism is to first kick over the table and bust up the party.

Posted by: Rastus at February 29, 2016 10:40 PM (tV5gR)

677 668: No he won't. Third is the new first. Winning!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 10:40 PM (ucDmr)

678 In any event, the issue of citizenship conferred at birth to a foreign-born child of a U.S. citizen was addressed in Rogers v. Bellei. That case involved someone being stripped of their citizenship (conferred at birth) by failing to meet some residency requirements. The statute under which he was stripped of his citizenship was repealed in 1978.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 29, 2016 10:40 PM (t5zYU)

679 I see a Rubio/Cruz wing forming tomorrow after Cruz loses his home state of TX.

Posted by: Pepper at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (A3kYV)


Cruz will win Texas.

Posted by: cm9000 at February 29, 2016 10:40 PM (2TUVm)

680 And how exactly isnt this true of Rubio and the righty media?

Because the righty media hasn't been All Rubio, All The Time.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 29, 2016 10:40 PM (KRwzj)

681 Phyllis Schlafly, -> senile
Chris Christie, -> Democrat
Ann Coulter, -> Romney girl too
Newt Gingrich, -> huge all his life
Steve Forbes, -> what?
Sarah Palin, -> misses the attention
Jeff Sessions
-> ?



Posted by: Ralph at February 29, 2016 10:41 PM (A3edJ)

682 670
Somehow this great legal scholar did not KNOW he was a Canadian...



He's not Canadian. Canada might think he is, but he doesn't.
France might consider my cousin French, but she'd sock you in the nose
if you said so.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:39 PM (rwI+c)

He was born in Canada. BOTH his parents at the time were Canadian Citizens.
How much more Canadian do you have to be?

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 10:41 PM (RK8AH)

683 LOL. Yeah ... Illinois Board of Elections is of utmost importance in the eligibility debate ... Just as New Jersey and a bunch of other states let AN ALIEN - yes, a non-AMerican, a foreigner, a NON-citizen - on the Presidential ballot in 2004 and 2008. Maybe you should defer to them?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:40 PM (zc3Db)


I understand that you are utterly impervious to any sort of contrary argument.

Good night to you, sir.

Posted by: filbert at February 29, 2016 10:41 PM (s5o+q)

684 I'm old enough to remember Ace saying he had it with the Republican party, and the only solution was to blow it up--as he struggles post after post to save it.

Posted by: Browndog at February 29, 2016 10:41 PM (HTwQQ)

685 We vote in part for the president that is who we want to be:

- Cruz is as smart as we wish we were.

- Rubio is as polished as we wish we could be.

- Trump has the balls we wish we had.

I usually go for smarts, but in this environment there's an undeniable appeal to the ballsy guy. I wish Ted Cruz had been running a Trump style populist campaign instead of sticking to warmed over religious pandering.

Posted by: Jake at February 29, 2016 10:41 PM (2Y9uL)

686 Stop kidding yourselves. Cruz will not be accepted by "the polite set" any more than Trump. If Cruz became the nominee, he would suffer the fate of faint praise by "the polite set". The same set would allow him to be savaged by the Dems and Hillary. I prefer to go with someone who will not go quietly into that good night - no more Doles, McCains or Romneys. Go Trump.

Posted by: Jen at February 29, 2016 10:41 PM (msAGT)

687 >>>> This thing has been a shit show.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 29, 2016 10:28 PM
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Wait till tomorrow night.
Cue up Bachman Turner Overdrive.

You ain't seen nothin' yet
B-b-b-baby, you just ain't seen n-n-nothin' yet
Here's something that you never gonna forget
B-b-b-baby, you just ain't seen n-n-nothin' yet

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 10:42 PM (2x3L+)

688 I will not vote for Donald Trump, "Il Douchey." Should he get the nomination, I will simply vote in every down-ballot race. But not for him. I will not follow, I will not support, I will not acknowledge, and I will not, within the limits allowed me by law, accept the claimed or ostensible authority of, Donald Trump. Period.

He is no better than Hillary Gruoch Clinton. The difference being, HE would be an albatross around the neck, not of the GOP of which he is not actually in any meaningful sense a member, but of the conservatism he does not believe in or represent or comprehend. He will be made out by the Left and the press - but I repeat myself - to be the face of conservatism, so as to render conservatism untouchable.

I am a movement conservative. I have worked for Reagan / Bush; argued in public with Abbie Hoffman; hung out with Bud McFarlane and Vernon Walters.... I hold no brief for inside-the-Beltway squishes. But. The whole "let it burn" tantrum is also, if not equally, responsible for the rise of this crony-capitalist, donor-class, say-anything, know-nothing, gun-grabbing, planned-parenthood, free-press-hating, Putin-sucking bouffant buffoon. (At least Huey P. Long was *amusing*.)

And I can say this. I for one shall not forget and shall never forgive each and every, all and several, of those, from Pitchfork Populists to Senatorial Squishes, who enabled and created our American Jeremy Corbyn ... or anyone who in any way supports or condones or settles for the contemptible son of a bitch.

And when those who have chosen to believe he really means it this time, only to find themselves in precisely the position of every ex-wife and ex-mistress he's racked up, and having had the same thing done to them and the country, I will never cease to pour salt in every wound I can find and make such persons wish they had never been born.

Posted by: MarkhamShawPyle at February 29, 2016 10:42 PM (WlkUc)

689 And to think I spent the better part of today urging civility. Have at it. For those of you wishing to see it burn, are you truly ready for that? I'm a former Sergeant of Marines and my family will be fine. Will yours?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 10:42 PM (kTF2Z)

690 Europe has been intimate with the notion of dual/multiple nationality for centuries. It is a very, very old concept that the Founders knew all too well - and had no stomach for.


How was that supposed to work? Could a merchant be both a subject of King George and King Louis at the same time?

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 29, 2016 10:42 PM (bZ7mE)

691 669
This is like watching someone trying to dig a hole by beating themselves over the head with a shovel.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 29, 2016 10:38 PM (bLnSU)

Hah!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 29, 2016 10:43 PM (iHjB5)

692 620 At least with Rubio if Trump has trouble getting on some ballots or fades due to more dirt coming out, you have a general election candidate that independent voters like the most.


Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 29, 2016 10:22 PM (hxoxN)


So you've got one assumption based on woefully unreliable data (that Rubio's polling numbers with indies are better than with Cruz) at this early stage.


And that independents are the key to victory. 2012 should have disabused you of such objectively silly notions, but you seem pretty new around here, so there's that.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 10:29 PM (Wckf4)

How about less of the asshole speak? I think Rubio is a better general election candidate. That he leads HRC by 4 and Cruz is basically running neck and neck supports that. That doesn't mean it'll play out that way, but it does suggest that Rubio has more general election appeal. And one election shouldn't disabuse an intelligent person of much, as that's one data point. In this election, there is also good reason to believe that independents will mean a lot because HRC probably isn't going to get the Obama base at the same levels (look at the primary numbers, where turn out is way down and the enthusiasm factor is also down).

Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 29, 2016 10:43 PM (hxoxN)

693 the thing that blew up conservatism was the true con thing.

its like how nonreligion became so prevalent because so many were so eager to say others weren't really Christian if they weren't X. born again, whatever. OK fine, so I won't be, who needs the hassle?

similarly, fuck conservatism. have your little tent in the wilderness, you blinkered fools.

but the establishment is also fuckwitted, so...

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 29, 2016 10:43 PM (Cq0oW)

694 Ace, as a lurking Trump supporter, let me begin by saying that intellectually and logically, I agree with nearly every word you've said here. That being said, the primitive lizard brain we all carry around, which has been lied to and betrayed by the GOP for decades, is still screaming, "No." It doesn't trust a call for compromise after years of being told by the elites, "Trust us. Just compromise with us on this. Just this one last time." It wants to dig in its heels and scream "No more!" So that's where you gotta come from. You (and by you I actually mean Cruz) have to convince me Cruz isn't yet another business as usual bait-and-switch, not on an intellectual level, but on an emotional one. THEN he would get my support.

Posted by: DonP at February 29, 2016 10:43 PM (I1TYp)

695 So 20,000 Dem voters in Mass. quit the party? Boy that's not suspicious in a State where Hillary! is a shoo in... What are the odds of them flipping back?

Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 10:43 PM (/dSsq)

696 >> Jeff Sessions -> ?

If you don't know you really aren't worthy of expressing an opinion. Sessions is the guy who actually defeated Gang of Eight. Not Cruz. Cruz had very minimal participation.

Posted by: Rastus at February 29, 2016 10:43 PM (tV5gR)

697 #670: If Cruz is indeed eligible to run for President, then he can ask Canada to remove the seal that he asked for on his birth records, and have them publicly released.

Just like Obama was finally compelled to release that birth certificate by Trump four years ago.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 10:44 PM (0OG8D)

698 He was born in Canada. BOTH his parents at the time were Canadian Citizens.

I don't believe that to be true. Wiki, fwiw, says "Rafael Cruz earned Canadian citizenship in 1973". No mention of his mother being Canadian and I think Ted has mentioned that she was not.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:44 PM (rwI+c)

699 Question....

How can you be a 'Natural Born Citizen' of the US under the FOUNDERs interpretation....


If prior to 1932, Cruz would not have even BEEN a US Citizen at all? (that was the year the LAW was changed, so that you could also inherit citizenship from your Mother, not just your Father).

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 10:44 PM (RK8AH)

700 I appreciate that sentiment Ace. I just don't believe anyone that denies that there is going to be a path to citizenship in some form. If a candidate is on board with securing the border that's a hell of a lot better than what we've got. I've never seen a viable plan to deport the majority of people that are here. It won't happen.

Posted by: pdiddy at February 29, 2016 09:28 PM (OZ5xF)

There's already a path to citizenship. It's called leave, fill out the forms and get in line.

Sheesh!!!!

But it won't happen because the US is a nation of spineless pussies.

Posted by: Blano at February 29, 2016 10:44 PM (3eoPa)

701 The hopes of any vehicle existing to advance principles of limited government are over if Trump wins. How can you support that? Revenge against the party elites that leaves us with only a fascist party and a socialist one, that's a pretty crappy result. No point "letting it burn" unless you can do it in a way that lets you rebuild from the rubble; Trump would be transformative, and not in a way we should want. Where are limited government advocates expected to go in this brave new statist world?

Posted by: Cjw at February 29, 2016 10:44 PM (zHVM/)

702 Good viewing...I have to say, I love watching the civil war going on in the Republican party. About time.

And the dems are good watching too. But it's more like watching the timer tick down on a bomb that can't be stopped. They won't go to civil war. They'll implode as all the divisions they've capitalized on for years destroy it from the inside out.

Posted by: heartofdarkness at February 29, 2016 10:44 PM (MQ0Jr)

703 The Founders would have said Cruz was ineligible, the guy was still a Canadian citizen up until 2014.

We have NEVER had an American President born on foreign soil.

But regardless I still like Cruz better than Trump.

Posted by: Pepper at February 29, 2016 10:44 PM (A3kYV)

704 I know he released his Canadian birth certificate.

You don't get the irony.

It's like telling me a duck is an elephant by showing me the elephant's duck birth certificate.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 10:44 PM (TcGpp)

705 I'm starting to wonder if Trump isn't a Democratic Party Trojan Horse.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at February 29, 2016 10:44 PM (7qAYi)

706 "Only One Man Can Stop the GOP From Breaking Apart Into Pieces, and That Man Is the Little-Loved Ted Cruz"

Luckily we are not limited to little-loved men. I would urge people to consider much-loved transwomen as well!

Posted by: Caitlyn/Bruce Jenner 2016 at February 29, 2016 10:45 PM (xUkfn)

707 Actually, Lafeyette was granted Dual US / French Citizenship by a special Act of Congress.
He is the only one in US History.... so yes, the knew the concept, but did not want it here.

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 10:38 PM (RK8AH)


Yep.

For everyone else, they were nothing but Americans. Those who became Americans had to renounce all other allegiances and loyalties - true to this day, though the courts and most everyone likes to ignore that and make the Oath of Renunciation that every immigrant has to take an outright lie in bad faith to start their citizenship off.

The War of 1812 was mostly about this very issue.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 29, 2016 10:45 PM (zc3Db)

708 698
He was born in Canada. BOTH his parents at the time were Canadian Citizens.



I don't believe that to be true. Wiki, fwiw, says "Rafael Cruz
earned Canadian citizenship in 1973". No mention of his mother being
Canadian and I think Ted has mentioned that she was not.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:44 PM (rwI+c)

They found her name listed on a voting Roll, in Canada.

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 10:45 PM (RK8AH)

709 >>>seen nothin' yet
B-b-b-baby, you just ain't seen n-n-nothin' yet
Here's something that you never gonna forget
B-b-b-baby, you just ain't seen n-n-nothin' yet
------
Sure a Canadian song American woman

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 29, 2016 10:45 PM (voOPb)

710 690 Europe has been intimate with the notion of dual/multiple nationality for centuries. It is a very, very old concept that the Founders knew all too well - and had no stomach for.


How was that supposed to work? Could a merchant be both a subject of King George and King Louis at the same time?
Posted by: Grey Fox at February 29, 2016 10:42 PM (bZ7mE)
***
He could be neither, boychik.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at February 29, 2016 10:45 PM (/33sy)

711 I have been talking about this for days. Morality matters. Christian values matter (even if you are not a Christian).


Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 09:29 PM (NPofj)

If Trump is the nominee and you don't vote for him, then Satan assumes the Presidency.

Nice.

Posted by: Blano at February 29, 2016 10:46 PM (3eoPa)

712 Well Cruz certainly seems to be eligible, considering he is on all the ballots. Who knew a sitting US Senator couldn't be POTUS. Guess all you birthers are filing suit to have him declared ineligible. What, you haven't? No guts or no money?

Strange days indeed. Most confusing mama.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at February 29, 2016 10:46 PM (VQ7bK)

713 Will Ted fuck up the Media?

I don't think so.

Posted by: nip at February 29, 2016 10:46 PM (6P6eN)

714 And to think I spent the better part of today urging civility. Have at it. For those of you wishing to see it burn, are you truly ready for that? I'm a former Sergeant of Marines and my family will be fine. Will yours?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 10:42 PM

Civility has gotten us to where we are now. Conservatives have been civil and losing all my life. William F. Buckley was civil, very civil, and look where we are now; Obama, Hillary, Bernie Sanders.

Civility is a losing proposition for conservatives. It is long past time for civility to go away for a while until things get sorted out.

Posted by: Andruss Leftgarter at February 29, 2016 10:46 PM (FrHFf)

715 They found her name listed on a voting Roll, in Canada.

Who did?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:46 PM (rwI+c)

716 I support Ted Cruz but I definitely understand this criticism. A nasty fighter is what is required for the battles that we face and Ted just doesn't seem like that guy. Conservatives no longer have the luxury of dithering endlessly over process and propriety. If the Democrats and Republican Quislings succeed in giving amnesty to 30 million illegals then the great American experiment is over.
Posted by: Mike Honcho at February 29, 2016 10:34 PM (f/UVC)

Cruz would make an excellent president. In fact, if he's still in it by the time the NC primary rolls around, he's got my vote, always has.
However - Cruz is not a good candidate, not for this election, anyway. He's not a big enough horse's ass. Not loud enough, not nasty enough, and not willing to take the low road to get his point across. Which makes me doubt all the BS about how "unlikable" he is. If he really is such a douche, going ugly early should have been a no-brainer.
Anyway, I don't want my president to be "likable". I don't want him to be my friend. And I don't want him to be anybody else's friend, either. Just do the damn job.

Posted by: antisocialist at February 29, 2016 10:46 PM (cDs+4)

717 I think a lot of you people are hysterical and overwrought.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 10:46 PM (oVJmc)

718 Bird brings unconscious bird buddy back to life
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hklrljg

Posted by: The Barrel at February 29, 2016 10:46 PM (hVdx9)

719
If prior to 1932, Cruz would not have even BEEN a US Citizen at all? (that was the year the LAW was changed, so that you could also inherit citizenship from your Mother, not just your Father).


Would you likewise consider a female President to be illegitimate, as they could not even vote in the 18th century?

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 29, 2016 10:47 PM (bZ7mE)

720 I can't take this anymore ... the opinions are so slanted.



Good evening y'all.


Posted by: Irony


Well, that's quite ironic.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....tortured American at February 29, 2016 10:47 PM (+1T7c)

721 Ont up. Thank god.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 29, 2016 10:47 PM (iHjB5)

722 I'm a huge Cruz supporter, but nature did not endow him with charisma or a good voice. So we're screwed. I'm a Texan and I would just as soon we seceded from what's coming.

Posted by: Jane at February 29, 2016 10:47 PM (gyE0W)

723 The big question remains...if Rubio does not get the votes, his political career is over. So, what do fallen political failures in Florida do? They go work for one of the largest ambulance chasers in the country. It would be sweet if he works, once again, with Crist.

All I know is whatever happens we, as morons, need to unite. That is my demand...oh, and no votes for wee Marco. His schtick is old. He is like a sixth grader going after Trump and Cruz.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 29, 2016 10:47 PM (wAMRL)

724 I bet the Whig elite were thinking the same thing.

Posted by: jukin Former Republican at February 29, 2016 10:47 PM (TG7ji)

725 Who did?
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:46 PM (rwI+c)

Why, "They" did.
And everybody knows "They" don't lie, right?

Posted by: antisocialist at February 29, 2016 10:48 PM (cDs+4)

726 I think a lot of you people are hysterical and overwrought.

And We have than 9 months to go..... Heaven help Us...

Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 10:48 PM (/dSsq)

727 Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at February 29, 2016 10:44 PM (7qAYi)


If he is, job well done. If he isn't, same result.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 29, 2016 10:48 PM (pUDQf)

728 I knew Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz was a friend of mine. You sir, are no Ted Cruz.

That is why I am so very curious about who Hillary will choose as a running mate.

She will stroke out or die and her Veep will be POTUS.

btw, I truly do love the Ted Cruz winning scenario. But ...

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 29, 2016 10:48 PM (1ijHg)

729 The only ways to save small-government conservatism
from Trump is to either screw him at the convention or form a
party-in-exile that loudly disavows everything he does from June through
November then reasserts control.

Posted by: Cjw at February 29, 2016 10:36 PM (zHVM/)

Small government conservatism was murdered early in the GWB administration, and Trump was nowhere near the scene of the crime.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at February 29, 2016 10:48 PM (nFdGS)

730 >>I think a lot of you people are hysterical and overwrought.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel

Everyone needs a hobby.

Posted by: Aviator at February 29, 2016 10:48 PM (c7vUv)

731
I think a lot of you people are hysterical and overwrought.



Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel


THAT'S NOT TRUE!!

or, maybe it is.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....tortured American at February 29, 2016 10:48 PM (+1T7c)

732 Would you likewise consider a female President to be illegitimate, as they could not even vote in the 18th century?

Even in the 20th. The Nineteenth Amendment was passed in 1918.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:49 PM (rwI+c)

733 "Yes. It's got a French Revolution feel to it, doesn't it?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 09:06 PM (oVJmc)"
I haven't seen any buxom lasses waving flags while topless yet.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 29, 2016 10:49 PM (1ijHg)

734 I think a lot of you people are hysterical and overwrought.

--
It would be comical if it wasn't so serious.

Posted by: Andruss Leftgarter at February 29, 2016 10:49 PM (FrHFf)

735 >>>> Sure a Canadian song American woman
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 29, 2016
----
Srsly, they're Canadian. The Canucks are so sneaky and clever. They're like the Jewish shape-shifters

Posted by: L, Elle at February 29, 2016 10:50 PM (2x3L+)

736 Fuck the party. Countless times we have read your screed about being "done" with the party. Burn it down. I would vote for Cruz before Trump but its too late to move millions of votes towards count chocula.

Posted by: Jeff E at February 29, 2016 10:50 PM (QBXdZ)

737 Stuck in a hotel in Chicago watching Hannity suck up to Trump. I feel dirty . . . .

Posted by: McCool at February 29, 2016 10:28 PM (fvzCW)


The city of Chicago has seen more than twice as many homicides this February as compared to last year. The Chicago Tribune is reporting there have been 102 murders so far this year, while the police say the number is 95.


Chicago - Come for the lovely weather, stay for the murders.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 29, 2016 10:50 PM (45oDG)

738 Why, "They" did.
And everybody knows "They" don't lie, right?


I was asking a serious question because if he mother was Canadian, he's not a natural born citizen. He's not a citizen at all. So I would have figured this would have been big news.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:50 PM (rwI+c)

739 VA voted for Obama. Therefore, they cannot be trusted with too many delegates.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 29, 2016 10:50 PM (1ijHg)

740 Even in the 20th. The Nineteenth Amendment was passed in 1918.

It's post 1800, so out of my favored era and I couldn't be bothered to look it up

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 29, 2016 10:51 PM (bZ7mE)

741 #688. Yes, What He/She said.

Posted by: Whippet at February 29, 2016 10:51 PM (YwQCs)

742 Who did?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:46 PM (rwI+c)

Brietbart....

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 10:52 PM (RK8AH)

743 610 Trump doesn't have time to run independent, too late now, and there are no viable third parties with enough ballot access that would have him. None after the GOP convention for sure. So the specter of Trump going 3rd party is now basically impossible. So yes they can either put someone else in at the convention or have a late charge from Rubes or Cruz dethrone him, and Trump can't do squat.
Posted by: Cjw at February 29, 2016 10:28 PM (zHVM/)

Incorrect. Texas is the first deadline, and it's not until May, and he only needs 80,000 signatures in Texas. Trump could get 80,000 signatures by tweeting his location in Dallas. I agree he'd have trouble if he waited until the convention, but he'll know enough by the end of April whether he will be the candidate. I don't think he'll go to a brokered convention because he knows what will happen.

Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 29, 2016 10:52 PM (hxoxN)

744 Brietbart....

That she voted? Or was just on the list? Wouldn't there be a record of her being naturalized if she were?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:53 PM (rwI+c)

745 I was asking a serious question because if he mother
was Canadian, he's not a natural born citizen. He's not a citizen at
all. So I would have figured this would have been big news.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:50 PM (rwI+c)
Mother was born an American, moved to Canada, and became a dual Citizen.
Both the US and Canada recognized dual citizenship then.

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 10:53 PM (RK8AH)

746 And wouldn't that be big news? Earth shattering even.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:53 PM (rwI+c)

747 If Trump is so inevitable, why all the talk of a brokered election?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at February 29, 2016 10:53 PM (VQ7bK)

748 If Cruz is indeed eligible, then he should have no trouble releasing paperwork showing him to be so.

Why isn't he doing this?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 10:54 PM (0OG8D)

749 and became a dual Citizen.

So she was naturalized in the three years before Ted was born? Again, wouldn't this be documented?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:54 PM (rwI+c)

750 At least this election has cured me of my addiction to Drudge, Breitbart and Fox News.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 29, 2016 10:54 PM (pUDQf)

751 If Cruz is indeed eligible, then he should have no trouble releasing paperwork showing him to be so.

What would the paperwork be?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:55 PM (rwI+c)

752 This all interesting, is Cruz going to get over 50% in Texas? Because the math is a stern mistress. How many here are blessed to be in Texas, what say you? For the rest of us, it may be moot.

Posted by: Jean at February 29, 2016 10:55 PM (cXiMR)

753 Yeah, not really. While there's no accounting for
what foreigners might thin or who they might try to claim, I think he
might have still have needed to do something affirmative to claim any
Canadian citizenship since he was a baby when he lived there. He at
least is clear that he never considered himself Canadian and rejects any
claims they might have on him.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:33 PM (rwI+c)

That was England and Kenya tha require some affirmative act around 18 years old to maintain citizenship if you do not reside in-country.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 29, 2016 10:55 PM (T78UI)

754 #745: Canada didn't recognize dual citizenship until seven years after Cruz was born.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 10:55 PM (0OG8D)

755 Why would Trump run as an independent? By the middle of June, he will have the delegates to secure the nomination.

Heads will explode.

Especially in Mexico.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 29, 2016 10:55 PM (1ijHg)

756 If Trump is so inevitable, why all the talk of a brokered election?


Posted by: Dick Nixon


Fortune passes everywhere.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....tortured American at February 29, 2016 10:56 PM (+1T7c)

757 Seriously, if Ted's mother was naturalized Canadian before he was born, he's not even a citizen now, since he was never naturalized himself.

I would think this would be known.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:56 PM (rwI+c)

758 If Trump is so inevitable, why all the talk of a brokered election?


Senator Thad Cochran.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 10:56 PM (oVJmc)

759 Trump just said on Hannity 'Everything is negotiable' on immigration, but YEAH he isn't going to stab his voters in the back. He is fricking telling you he will.

Posted by: melle1228 at February 29, 2016 10:57 PM (lmtji)

760 #751: I don't know specifically what papers he'd need, but I do know that he asked Canada to seal all records related to his birth.

Why do this, if he's so sure he's a natural-born American citizen?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 10:57 PM (0OG8D)

761 If Cruz is indeed eligible, then he should have no trouble releasing paperwork showing him to be so.

Why isn't he doing this?


A birth certificate showing that he was considered an American citizen under laws at the time is all that he would be required, not so? Indeed, what other paperwork could he possibly be expected to produce?

Has Trump produced paperwork certifying that he is actually human?*

*Pratchett reference

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 29, 2016 10:57 PM (bZ7mE)

762 Cruz can not support a moratorium on Muslim refugees until we can say who the hell we are letting into the country, given the amount of phony IDs out there? Fuck him. He is part of the problem, another globalist c-sucker.

Rubio will be toast when his flute*-playing tapes get wider exposure. He is a guaranteed loser in the general.

*skin

Posted by: Darrell at February 29, 2016 10:57 PM (Tj0Zr)

763 757
Seriously, if Ted's mother was naturalized Canadian before he was born,
he's not even a citizen now, since he was never naturalized himself.



I would think this would be known.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:56 PM (rwI+c)

It would take Discovery through a Lawsuit to be able to get all the facts...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 10:58 PM (RK8AH)

764 #754 False. Canada DID recognize dual citizenship in certain limited circumstances.

Posted by: melle1228 at February 29, 2016 10:58 PM (lmtji)

765 Skin flute - no shit? I didn't pick up on that...

Posted by: Jeff E at February 29, 2016 10:59 PM (QBXdZ)

766 #762 And Trump is already walking back his Muslim ban, because his business interest in Saudi & AE are slapping his tiny hands.

Posted by: melle1228 at February 29, 2016 10:59 PM (lmtji)

767 It would take Discovery through a Lawsuit to be able to get all the facts...

I would imagine naturalization proceedings are a matter of public record. Not so?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:59 PM (rwI+c)

768 There are so many dead horses here you could start a glue factory.


Posted by: Ralph at February 29, 2016 10:59 PM (A3edJ)

769 Ted Cruz was recommended early on by Bill Whittle. That's good enough for me, even if I didn't have any of my own reasons.

Posted by: Oregon Atarian at February 29, 2016 11:00 PM (TOssO)

770 I read this article leaning Rubio and finished it leaning Trump. The establishment will get over it. They get their man every election but this one.

Of course, I may still punt and vote Sanders tomorrow.

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at February 29, 2016 11:00 PM (r23qW)

771 #764: Is that so? Then let Cruz show he was one of those rare exceptions.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 11:00 PM (0OG8D)

772 Texas here, and no I don't see him getting 50%. But that says more about Rubio, Kasich and Carson than Cruz. Why aren't at least Kasich and Carson still here? Kasich is an idiot but I've come to believe Carson isn't the man people profess him to be either. He should have been gone after Iowa.

Posted by: Whippet at February 29, 2016 11:00 PM (YwQCs)

773 It would be a blessing to never have to hear his voice again.

Posted by: ALH at February 29, 2016 10:38 PM (Z56vq)

SNL could do a good Rubio stand-up comic bit with Rubio talking or five minutes about Trump's penis... then refuting that he was ever arrested in a gay park.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 29, 2016 11:00 PM (T78UI)

774 765

There are tapes that keep on getting disappeared and it looks like him and his pals from those foam party pictures.

Posted by: Darrell at February 29, 2016 11:01 PM (Tj0Zr)

775 #771 The fact that he has a US birth certificate without naturalization means he is one of the exceptions.

Posted by: melle1228 at February 29, 2016 11:02 PM (lmtji)

776
I'm still waiting for someone to point out some evidence that Cruz is
loyal to Canada, or the Queen, or whatever you guys are worried about.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:39 PM (rwI+c)

He only drinks Moosehead?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 29, 2016 11:02 PM (T78UI)

777 #775: He hasn't released his own birth certificate, to my knowledge; just his mother's.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 11:03 PM (0OG8D)

778 I'll just post this right here: If Ted announces his running mate is Carly Fiorina RIGHT NOW, he goes on to win this thing.

Posted by: Oregon Atarian at February 29, 2016 11:03 PM (TOssO)

779 772. *why are Kasich and Carson still here*

Posted by: Whippet at February 29, 2016 11:03 PM (YwQCs)

780 Cruz will win Texas.


Posted by: cm9000 at February 29, 2016 10:40 PM (2TUVm)

35%

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 29, 2016 11:04 PM (T78UI)

781 Well worded post Ace.

I am both appalled and hopeful at what is going on. My daughter has been eager to cast her first votes this year and is trying very hard to find a glimmer of faith in one of the candidates. I have tried to tell her truths instead of influence, but they have been hard to find.

Anyway, it looks like we will both be trying to help Cruz pick up some delegates tomorrow. I am pretty happy he's gotten as far as he has. Even if unwittingly, Trump has been his blocker.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at February 29, 2016 11:05 PM (GzDYP)

782 #775 He has released his birth certificate in 2013.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/ted-cruz-birth-certificate-095668

Posted by: melle1228 at February 29, 2016 11:05 PM (lmtji)

783 See, a wee bit of support back in the day and this wouldn't be problem.

Posted by: the Finians at February 29, 2016 11:05 PM (cXiMR)

784 #3... but if I didn't live here where would my stuff be... *sniffle*... *cries*

Posted by: Former Mass. Resident at February 29, 2016 11:07 PM (prYq+)

785 so now a sitting US Senator is a Canadian citizen? Wow, guess the trump fan boys let St Sarah the Spineless's endorsement bring out the rogue in them.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at February 29, 2016 11:08 PM (VQ7bK)

786 I am a Cruz supporter who cannot abide Trump.

This has nothing to do with my social class, though it may have something to do with my religious beliefs. If I voted for him I would feel ashamed, but it would be the shame of having violated my conscience, and I say this as someone whose industry has a target on it from every Democrat in this land. There are moral things more important than my livelihood.

I don't like the man and do not think he is honorable, even Nixon had his own peculiar honor. Trump would be the first Republican nominee I could not and would not vote for since Herbert Hoover over Al Smith, when Hoover let the KKK deliver votes for him. Btw Al Smith was a better conservative than any man I have seen running in my life till Ted Cruz.

I have sucked eggs for this party for decades, I voted for McCain and I sucked it in as Presidents and politicians hugged people who spread lies about my church, because I knew Ronald Reagan was a good and decent man and politicians have to do things, but I don't see any evidence of this about Trump. This is a man who says he has never needed to ask God's forgiveness and he is a bankrupt who has dishonored debts, fornicated with married women, dealt with criminals and god knows what else.

Call me a cuckservative or what have you, but if that is what I am I will wear it with pride. So many are worried that Latin Americans are bringing their political culture, but now I see it is the Anglo Saxons who run for the first would be Caudillo they see.

Posted by: RoyLC at February 29, 2016 11:09 PM (DSwhx)

787 Not a Trump fan - yet, but Trump's proclaimed opposition to homosexual "marriage" is a major selling point for me... Cruz's recent statement about homosexual "marriage" not being a "top-three priority" concerns me. I must wonder which candidate is more sincere...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at February 29, 2016 11:09 PM (5csB/)

788 Texas here, and no I don't see him getting 50%. But
that says more about Rubio, Kasich and Carson than Cruz. Why aren't at
least Kasich and Carson still here? Kasich is an idiot but I've come
to believe Carson isn't the man people profess him to be either. He
should have been gone after Iowa.



Posted by: Whippet at February 29, 2016 11:00 PM (YwQCs)


Here is hoping he does (and that he wins several other states too)

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 11:09 PM (NPofj)

789 Not a Trump fan - yet, but Trump's proclaimed
opposition to homosexual "marriage" is a major selling point for me...
Cruz's recent statement about homosexual "marriage" not being a
"top-three priority" concerns me. I must wonder which candidate is more
sincere...


Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at February 29, 2016 11:09 PM (5csB/)

THAT is a bullshit talking point, if I have ever seen one. Trump has said many times now that gay marriage "is the law of the land". Cruz, on the other hand, has very consistently said it is a matter of federalism and should be left to the states to decide.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 11:12 PM (NPofj)

790 #782: From your link...

"Sen. Cruz bacame a U.S. citizen at birth, and he never had to go through a naturalization process after birth to become a U.S. citizen," Catherine Frazier told the Morning News. "To our knowledge, he never had Canadian citizenship, so there is nothing to renounce."

And yet, a year later, Cruz officially renounced his Canadian citizenship.

Clearly, Catherine Frazier was wrong.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 11:12 PM (0OG8D)

791 C'mon Texas!!

Posted by: Mrclark at February 29, 2016 11:13 PM (7YnaR)

792 Clearly, Ted Cruz is eligible to run for POTUS, since he is on those ballots.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at February 29, 2016 11:13 PM (VQ7bK)

793 Call me a cuckservative or what have you, but if
that is what I am I will wear it with pride. So many are worried that
Latin Americans are bringing their political culture, but now I see it
is the Anglo Saxons who run for the first would be Caudillo they see.

Posted by: RoyLC at February 29, 2016 11:09 PM (DSwhx)

Caudillo is a good description of Trump.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 11:14 PM (NPofj)

794 Are there any other states in which the 50% plurality line delivers a decisive margin on delegates?

Posted by: the Finians at February 29, 2016 11:14 PM (cXiMR)

795 #790 And every military child up until a few years ago born in Germany was given dual citizenship. The founders didn't want divided loyalty. Cruz left Canada when he was 4.

Posted by: melle1228 at February 29, 2016 11:14 PM (lmtji)

796 Roll Call..
https://m.facebook.com/groups/228120330653214?ref=m_notif¬if_t=like

Posted by: Mrclark at February 29, 2016 11:15 PM (7YnaR)

797 oops, left my old irish sock on

Posted by: Jean at February 29, 2016 11:15 PM (cXiMR)

798 #795: That was three years before Canada started to recognize dual citizenship. And Eleanor and Rafael showed up on Canadian voter rolls before then, which required them to be Canadian citizens.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 11:17 PM (0OG8D)

799 Either Ted Cruz was not an American citizen at birth, or his parents somehow fooled Canada into believing that he was not an American citizen at birth.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 11:19 PM (0OG8D)

800 #795 As I said before you are wrong on Canadian immigration law. Canada did recognize dual citizenship in limited circumstances. And I have yet to see credible evidence that his mother voted, or was registered to vote there.

Posted by: melle1228 at February 29, 2016 11:20 PM (lmtji)

801 Well, speaking for myself, as a Texan I voted for Cruz as my senator with the idea he would shake things up. I don't care if people across the country think he's an asshole--- I WANT an asshole, he's my asshole! At this point, I feel like I have as much in common with people in Vermont or Washington state as I do with people in Bolivia. I hate that but there it is. I would love to see these United States survive and prosper into the 21st Century but unless the runaway statists are reeled in, I am not optimistic. There is no where left to run if America falls to the collectivists take over. Belize looks nice, but Texas is where I'll make my stand. Cruz get my vote manana. Principle, it's still on the menu.
-No where to run, no where to hide.

Posted by: GasperGoo at February 29, 2016 11:21 PM (242F/)

802
Cruz beats HRC? I want numbers.

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 10:09 PM (Uk9e2)


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 11:22 PM (NPofj)

803 You're dreaming, Ace.

That, or it was a very good, even Onion-esque, parody piece. In that case, it was brilliant!

Posted by: The Hot Gate. at February 29, 2016 11:23 PM (KJZeR)

804 SNL could do a good Rubio stand-up comic bit with Rubio talking or five minutes about Trump's penis... then refuting that he was ever arrested in a gay park.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 29, 2016 11:00 PM (T78UI)

Not a Rubio supporter, but that 'arrested in a gay park' slur doesn't hold up to the barest scrutiny.Rubio and two of his teenage buddies were caught drinking beer in the park after closing and given notices by the cops to appear in court. The charges were later dropped.

And I don't know if you know anything about city parks, but all (or most) of them are hookup locales for gay men. They're also places where teenagers drink beer and smoke dope and hang out after hours.

Posted by: troyriser at February 29, 2016 11:24 PM (Hz/9Y)

805 #800: "In limited circumstances." Then, Cruz should have no trouble releasing paperwork to show he's one of those rare exceptions.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 11:24 PM (0OG8D)

806 I will NEVER vote for a person who was born in a foreign country if that person was not born to a US Ambassador or to US citizen parents serving in the military and stationed abroad.

Posted by: GrandeMe at February 29, 2016 11:25 PM (xhawg)

807 #795 As I said before you are wrong on Canadian
immigration law. Canada did recognize dual citizenship in limited
circumstances. And I have yet to see credible evidence that his mother
voted, or was registered to vote there.

Posted by: melle1228 at February 29, 2016 11:20 PM (lmtji)

They are not interested in the facts.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 11:26 PM (NPofj)

808 If Tuesday goes Trump's way; do Rubio Cruz pack it in and let the fire fall on Hilary? Trump already seems to running towards the middle, I think his internals show him as the nominee and that's why he has moderated his stances.

I would expect him to come off Immigration and start going lunch pail soon. The 92M missing from the workforce, the state of the economy in black America and immigration, NAFTA, tax and tort reform, emails and Benghazi, etc. The governors and professional politicians missed the anger over Immigration because they had all sampled Soro's open borders pond water.

Posted by: Jean at February 29, 2016 11:26 PM (cXiMR)

809 THAT is a bullshit talking point, if I have ever
seen one. Trump has said many times now that gay marriage "is the law
of the land". Cruz, on the other hand, has very consistently said it is a
matter of federalism and should be left to the states to decide.


Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 11:12 PM (NPofj)

Well... All the major "gay rights" organisations are fervently denouncing them both, so there's that!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at February 29, 2016 11:27 PM (5csB/)

810 #805 Canada doesn't grant United States citizenship." It cannot confer US citizenship on anyone. Canada conferred citizenship on Cruz through his Canadian father. His mother conferred United States citizenship on him. All that is required for an American who has a child abroad is to file the birth certificate with the American consulate, and then you receive an American birth certificate. I was military spouse and am well versed in American children born abroad even OFF military bases.

Posted by: melle1228 at February 29, 2016 11:28 PM (lmtji)

811 I saw Splitsville open for the Trainwrecks at The Bottom Line in 1972.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at February 29, 2016 11:28 PM (PvCxa)

812 Back in '63 I renounced my foreign citizenship and became a naturalized citizen. I was born overseas . My parents were US citizens but they were advised to do this so I would not incur tax issues or military obligations from the other country.

So there I was, eight years old with a bow tie, raising my right hand and swearing I was not a member of the Communist Party (USA) or any of its affiliated organizations.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 29, 2016 11:29 PM (TnUKj)

813 I will NEVER vote for a person who was born in a
foreign country if that person was not born to a US Ambassador or to US
citizen parents serving in the military and stationed abroad.

Posted by: GrandeMe at February 29, 2016 11:25 PM (xhawg)


Why should that matter?

Posted by: redbanzai at February 29, 2016 11:29 PM (NPofj)

814
Clearly, Catherine Frazier was wrong.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 11:12 PM (0OG8D)
Said the guy who thinks Cruz' candidacy is a communist plot fomented by Illinois revolutionaries.

Posted by: troyriser at February 29, 2016 11:29 PM (Hz/9Y)

815 Not a Rubio supporter, but that 'arrested in a gay
park' slur doesn't hold up to the barest scrutiny.Rubio and two of his
teenage buddies were caught drinking beer in the park after closing and
given notices by the cops to appear in court. The charges were later
dropped.

And I don't know if you know anything about city parks,
but all (or most) of them are hookup locales for gay men. They're also
places where teenagers drink beer and smoke dope and hang out after
hours.

Posted by: troyriser at February 29, 2016 11:24 PM (Hz/9Y)

I thought he was just loitering... the underage drinking makes it much worse... Lighten up, it's SNL.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 29, 2016 11:29 PM (T78UI)

816 #813 My husband who served this country for 21 years, and now works a contractor overseas. I am moving soon to be with him, so you are saying if I have a child with him overseas; that my child has what? Divided loyalties?

Posted by: melle1228 at February 29, 2016 11:32 PM (lmtji)

817 And I don't know if you know anything about city
parks, but all (or most) of them are hookup locales for gay men. They're
also places where teenagers drink beer and smoke dope and hang out
after hours.

Posted by: troyriser


So, true. He was busted after dark in a gay park.

Doesn't mean shit, but it is true

Posted by: Jean at February 29, 2016 11:32 PM (cXiMR)

818 Maybe he wanted them to come out of the shadows.

Posted by: buzzion at February 29, 2016 11:32 PM (zt+N6)

819 I am so glad to see so many people anticipating the idea of what I've been saying for years now: we need a third and fourth party. I know, you're going to say that third parties always fail. Yes, that's right. Because a single strong third party is all we've seen since before the goddamned Civil war. They always fail because they only take from one major party's voter bloc. You need competing parties for both major party blocs. It's sad, but the UK is actually ahead of us on this, with the Liberal Democrats and UKIP offering actual challenges to the established Labour and Conservative parties. In a recent general election it was damn near a four-way tie, and UKIP has only existed as a party for about 20 years. Check out Nigel Farage. He should be the model for all future American politicians in his poise and classy, chummy, yet fierce when riled persona.

Posted by: s at February 29, 2016 11:33 PM (HCXGq)

820 #810: Well, if that's the case, Cruz should have no problem with lifting the seal that he asked Canada to put on his birth records.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 11:34 PM (0OG8D)

821 Doesn't mean shit, but it is true

Posted by: Jean at February 29, 2016 11:32 PM (cXiMR)

I understand child molesters are also known to hang out in parks. Rubio has been known to hang out inparks. That evil, perverted bastard.

Posted by: troyriser at February 29, 2016 11:35 PM (Hz/9Y)

822 #816: If you're overseas with your husband and you have a baby there, your child is a natural born U.S. citizen, by virtue of the fact that you're both U.S. citizens living on (technically) U.S. soil and you're there on U.S. business.

Just like John McCain is unquestionably a natural-born U.S. citizen; he was born under just the same circumstances as your hypothetical child will be.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 11:37 PM (0OG8D)

823 Freedom in it's agonal breaths when the statists consolidate power...
Here we are folks. I lived to see peak America, sure wish I could hand it to the grandkids the way it was handed to me and my dissolute generation. Please forgive us.

Posted by: GasperGoo at February 29, 2016 11:40 PM (242F/)

824 Over at Drudge: Admid Trump surge, nearly 20,000 Mass. voters quite Democratic party.

Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at February 29, 2016 09:33 PM (7FH+T)

I understand a lot of Democrats quit being Democrats long enough to vote in Republican primaries. They did it in Missouri to help Akin win the primaries in 2012. In McCaskill's estimation, he was the weakest possible GOP opponent. She was right.

Posted by: troyriser at February 29, 2016 11:40 PM (Hz/9Y)

825 #816 We wouldn't be there on US business. My husband works for a private contractor, and my hypothetical child would not be born on US soil.

Posted by: melle1228 at February 29, 2016 11:40 PM (lmtji)

826 Correction to #822: I'm sorry; I missed part of what you said; I thought your husband was still in the military; I may be wrong in what I said, there.

If your husband is at least working for the U.S. government, or in a foreign area that is considered U.S. soil, then your kid would be a natural-born citizen, IMO.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 11:42 PM (0OG8D)

827 Madden will, apparently, indulge himself with a moronic and meaningless gesture.
(Don't vote FOR anyone, Shithead: Vote AGAINST Lady Macbeth.)

Posted by: MANESS at February 29, 2016 11:44 PM (Bap9N)

828 melle, it does not matter why you are abroad, you go get paperwork from the embassy to register your birth overseas. If your not a local, many hospitals will ask that it be done in advance. It's not a big deal.

Posted by: Jean at February 29, 2016 11:45 PM (cXiMR)

829 >>Canada conferred citizenship on Cruz through his Canadian father.


One more time, his father was not a Canadian citizen - from Wiki


Ted Cruz was born on December 22, 1970.

At the time of his birth, Cruz's parents had lived in Calgary for three years and were working in the oil business.

Cruz's father was born in Cuba. His mother was born in Delaware.

His father left Cuba in 1957 and obtained political asylum in the United States after his four-year student visa expired.

Rafael Cruz earned Canadian citizenship in *1979*
and became a Naturalized U.S. citizen in 2005.


Posted by: cind at February 29, 2016 11:46 PM (nRbbW)

830 We wouldn't be there on US business. My husband
works for a private contractor, and my hypothetical child would not be
born on US soil.





Posted by: melle1228 at February 29, 2016 11:40 PM (lmtji)

Technically, you'd be an expat.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 29, 2016 11:47 PM (T78UI)

831 What would the paperwork be?

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:55 PM (rwI+c)

Their are a lot of nice people, I am sure they wonderful, just wonderful people, who would tell you Cruz was a US Citizen the moment he was born.The birth has to recorded first (CRBA). This is not likely to happen the very moment the child is born, more likely a month or more later (after the local SC is issued), but it can be years later.
Once issued, the CRBA is the 'BC' for other US paperwork (passport, ID, whaterah).

Cruz either has a CRBA or cert of naturalization, or both.
This is the 'other paperwork'.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 29, 2016 11:47 PM (T78UI)

832 Winston Churchill was born in a foreign country, with one American parent. Nobody thought he was a natural-born U.S. citizen, eligible to run for President, and I know this because after WWII we conferred honorary natural-born U.S. citizen status on him as a special honor for such a staunch wartime ally.

Why would we "honor" him by giving him something he already had?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 11:48 PM (0OG8D)

833 The political asylum visas (Ted Cruz's dad) are considered US persons for almost all purposes, including ITAR, but not Security Clearances.

Absent a valid renunciation of her American citizenship; Ted was an American citizen at birth. No idea what natural-born citizen means anymore.

Posted by: Jean at February 29, 2016 11:50 PM (cXiMR)

834 > 829 - correction - I apologize for the error.


Ted Cruz was born on December 22, 1970.

Rafael Cruz earned Canadian citizenship in *1973*
and became a Naturalized U.S. citizen in 2005.

Posted by: cind at February 29, 2016 11:51 PM (nRbbW)

835 Why would we "honor" him by giving him something he already had?


Posted by: at February 29, 2016 11:48 PM (0OG8D)

Trick question - because when he was born the laws passed under the enumerated power to make rules of naturalization did not define him as a 'natural born citizen' (or citizen at all) under the circumstances of his birth.


The 'trick' is that 'natural' means in accordance with current law.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 29, 2016 11:53 PM (T78UI)

836 #835: So, you're admitting that Churchill was not a natural-born American citizen as the founders understood the term, am I right?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at February 29, 2016 11:57 PM (0OG8D)

837 How can a man, being born in another country, under the jurisdiction of that country, to a father who is a citizen of that country....be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN of another country?


Posted by: Browndog at February 29, 2016 11:59 PM (HTwQQ)

838 Breathtaking, Ace. I love your conclusion. Would that God wills it so!

Posted by: Miley's Tongue dba Ylva of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy at March 01, 2016 12:06 AM (odjaN)

839 "Even if you think the vanity and preening of the Establishment/Respectable Upper Middle Class is silly"

Having principles is not silly. It is what honorable people do. Trump is scum; I will never vote for the lying progressive bastard.

Posted by: FreedomFan at March 01, 2016 12:08 AM (G/RDV)

840 So, you're admitting that Churchill was not a natural-born American citizen as the founders understood the term, am I right?


Posted by: at February 29, 2016 11:57 PM (0OG8D)

Me? No.Born 1874 at a time when it was likely that his American mother voluntarily gave up her citizenship the moment she married foreign (and acquired the husbands).
Things were clearer then - we hadn't had a duel national or foreign born President yet.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 01, 2016 12:10 AM (T78UI)

841 petunia/flower = she who shall not be named

I can't believe my eyes but it's right there.

Posted by: Mega at March 01, 2016 12:12 AM (JwLCI)

842 If I went to live in Japan for a few years, and I met a nice Portuguese woman there and we had a baby together in Yokohama... the kid would be an American citizen through me, but he would not be a "natural-born" citizen. He would not be eligible to run for President.

Now, if he decided to run anyway, I might just be inclined to pretend he's eligible, anyway, because it's only natural for parents to want the best for their kids.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 01, 2016 12:12 AM (0OG8D)

843 "Having principles is not silly. It is what
honorable people do. Trump is scum; I will never vote for the lying
progressive bastard."

Posted by: FreedomFan at March 01, 2016 12:08 AM (G/RDV)
Yep, pretty much my conclusion.
He talks a good game... but we know what talk is.Freedom

Posted by: GasperGoo at March 01, 2016 12:14 AM (242F/)

844 just a part of it read. to this, I'll say... and the horse you rode in on.
Cruz/Pope John xxiii

Why do we need other than Cruz? For charisma? Really.

We're on to hell in a hand basket and we get no one who sees Cruz in the way I do, and many others I presume.

Is the mailman's son still in it? Yep, I could vote for more ponzi schemes. Watch out OH, Medicare is going to boink you but good.

I don't feel any better, but glad I said it.

Ted

Posted by: micky at March 01, 2016 12:22 AM (LBYzV)

845 Trump is scum; I will never vote for the lying

progressive bastard."

When you can't tell if you're reading DU or AOSHQ, it's time to burn it down, and piss on the smoldering ashes.

Posted by: Browndog at March 01, 2016 12:22 AM (HTwQQ)

846 So you make the candidates sign a pledge not to run as third party candidate, when the "subjects" don't agree, they threaten a third party. You wonder why most American's hate both parties!

Posted by: jhaley59 at March 01, 2016 12:26 AM (f4z3u)

847 So Cruz shouldn't be the candidate because nobody likes him? $h!t, almost half the country despises Hillary Clinton and she might actually beat Trump! So I wouldn't worry about who likes or dislikes Cruz because Clinton's got the "candidate people dislike the most" deal pretty much sewn up.

Posted by: RonF at March 01, 2016 12:27 AM (A+jSE)

848 Yep the dems would vote for Charlie Manson.

Posted by: simplemind at March 01, 2016 12:29 AM (BTnAK)

849 "There are two types of rulers:

1. Rulers who are politically adroit and who can sense the ground shifting beneath them and adapt themselves to the changes accordingly, and

2. Former rulers, deposed rulers.

The GOP 'Smart Set' thinks being a Type 2 ruler is better than changing a thing."

Actually, I think the GOP's not really into ruling. Let the Democrats rule, they'll be the minority party - but they'll still have nice offices and salaries and benefits and get all the perks of being in the government. Not so great for the actual voters.

Posted by: RonF at March 01, 2016 12:32 AM (A+jSE)

850 #849 Ah, the John McCain strategy!

Posted by: Miley's Tongue dba Ylva of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy at March 01, 2016 01:22 AM (odjaN)

851 "When you can't tell if you're reading DU or AOSHQ, it's time to burn it down"

Here's your first clue:
At DU, "Progressive" is a compliment.

You sound very bright; must be a Trumpkin.

Posted by: FreedomFan at March 01, 2016 01:24 AM (G/RDV)

852 Ted was fooled by Trump as were others. In fact a majority thought Ted had made some kind of deal with Trump. Trump will go down like the Titanic and take Ted with him. He will be tarnished with that and will be unable to defeat Hillary.

You use to rail at pro-lifetrs for not compromising on rape and incest when it came to abortion. And the pro-life movement has been hurt by that at least in your opinion--you've made the same mistake just with a different issue.

Posted by: River Guide at March 01, 2016 01:25 AM (mcm0N)

853 It boils down to this:

Vote Trump to destroy the GOP

Vote Cruz to break and rebuild the GOP

Vote Rubio to suck off the GOP

I vote Cruz. I want the GOP broken and rebuilt.

Posted by: Portlandon at March 01, 2016 01:32 AM (Y+2sJ)

854 And the class warfare thing. Trump is rich and went to Wharton. Ted went to Harvard and is married to a very well of lady that worked at Goldman Sachs. Neither of them have done a hard days work. People do not like liars it's not class warfare like some want to stir it up to be. That's the politics of resentment and a technique used by Democrats.

Posted by: River Guide at March 01, 2016 01:33 AM (mcm0N)

855 Cruz can't beat Hillary.

Delusional to think he can.

Posted by: Byebyecruz at March 01, 2016 01:34 AM (jbtzZ)

856 So, in AceWorld these days, having principles--or being conservative--is referred to as "the vanity and preening of the Establishment/Respectable Upper Middle Class." Interesting.

I'd be honored to vote for Cruz, but apparently the Trump cultists are having none of it, and instead intend to pry the party apart.

This is a very simple matter: if the GOP nominates someone for whom I can vote--that is to say, someone other than Donald Trump--I will vote for the candidate. If not, I will not.

Posted by: Attila Girl at March 01, 2016 01:35 AM (HI1YC)

857 In August 2016, co-plaintiffs IK Rhumba and Aslam Qusudsi and a virtual jihad of six thousand more classy active types fully antizapate a judge of a court jugemint in Carmel Sandiego to give 216 million (U.S.A.) dollars in damages, by operation of R.I.C.O. tripled to 648 million (U.S.A.) dollars, plus bank interest at prime plus, on top is court costs, plus special gravy xemplory punile damages, all in total over http://tiny.cc/lu1o9x ONE BILLIYUN (U.S.A.) dollars, against Donald J. Trump, Trump University (Go Heffalumps), The Trump Enterprise Initiative Fund, and Trump Enterprises PLC, and Wharton School of WTF Did U graduate that assclown for, all jointly and severally lybul.

This is why all fellow naive borne red-bodied America voter types here must to chast all his ballads for Donald J. Trump, or Trump, Donald J., or Trump, D.J. tomorrow, in your state of house of residents or state of convenients nearby by truck within 3 hours each way thank you very much.

For then, legal ace attorney say to us all, party of Republican G of P made also "deep pocket pool" defenders and jugemint payors.

Posted by: DeeJay Drumpfasaurass at March 01, 2016 01:36 AM (lqeGC)

858 Cruz doesn't have the brains to be President. His shutting down the government failure is proof of that.

Posted by: Byebyecruz at March 01, 2016 01:42 AM (jbtzZ)

859 All so, Midge and Marie from downtown say Donald J. Trump is their best leads, and everyone else only gets this set of 4 plastic handled steak knives, a hearty handshake and your ass is booted out the friggin' door.

Posted by: DeeJay Drumpfasaurass at March 01, 2016 01:42 AM (lqeGC)

860 Trump is a populist in the best George Wallace tradition and will have about as much success.

Posted by: Gmac - #two week, ah fuck it who am I fooling, its a permaban in daylight hours at March 01, 2016 01:45 AM (4pjhs)

861 I personally prefer Rubio over Cruz but agree with Ace's analysis. A key benefit of selecting Cruz to be the anti-Trump candidate is that if Rubio drops out, a high percentage of his supporters will go to Cruz (not Trump). If Cruz drops out in favor of Rubio, his supporters will split more evenly between Rubio and Trump, thereby undermining the consolidation effort.

After dropping out, Rubio should campaign with Cruz to (a) keep his supporters on board and (b) continue the happy trash-talking warrior bit so the media stays interested (otherwise all "earned media" will go to Trump).

Posted by: Juanita at March 01, 2016 01:53 AM (zwI9H)

862 374 He's not the only one who can beat Hillary. He can't even beat Trump.

Probably because, after months of coddling and glad handling Trump, a large percentage of the voters Cruz required - in fact, based his entire campaign strategy n - decided, why not just sign up for the bombastic Trump, instead of Trump light?

You never bring up that rather egregious tactical error, Ace

***********

Fin.

Posted by: River Guide at March 01, 2016 02:02 AM (mcm0N)

863 Nope.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at March 01, 2016 02:06 AM (XiFxt)

864 A large number of Trump supporters will not vote for Cruz. A lot of them really believe he's ineligible.

Posted by: Evan3457 at March 01, 2016 02:09 AM (PKxtF)

865 Vote 1. Canadian

Posted by: Byebyecruz at March 01, 2016 02:13 AM (jbtzZ)

866 #862: The real tactical error, IMO, is castigating someone for taking some time to decide he's 100% with you.

If Ace "screwed up" by only deciding Friday that he's 100% a Cruz guy and Trump can eat a balls, what would you say to someone who only came to the same decision today? No doubt you'd have something even worse to say to that person.

No acceptance for latecomers, huh? That's no way to grow your coalition.

Trump has more sense than you do; Chris Christie endorsed him Friday, at around the same time Ace officially endorsed Cruz, and Trump is happy to have Christie's endorsement.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 01, 2016 02:13 AM (0OG8D)

867 JFC you nailed it Ace. First mofo that actually used his brain this entire election so far.

Posted by: Fish at March 01, 2016 02:22 AM (CUhVI)

868 I can life with Cruz, and since I live in a late primary state I'll have no say about who wins the nomination.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 01, 2016 04:51 AM (ipvSI)

869 I will not vote for Trump in pants
not even if he does a pee-pee dance
and lulls the electorate into a trance
I will not vote for Trump in pants.

Posted by: JT at March 01, 2016 05:39 AM (T9sxm)

870 They used dogs to find Jared's flash drive.

Posted by: bestie21 at March 01, 2016 05:46 AM (HUeC4)

871 If I hear the extortion threat:

"The only man who can actually defeat Hillary Clinton."

one more time; I will puke.
The thesis that the party needs to be saved should be reconsidered.
Cull the diseased.
Burn it down.

Posted by: Arkindole at March 01, 2016 06:36 AM (7+Wf0)

872 Cruz is the best candidate to come along in decades. He's brilliant and conservative. Unfortunately, the people will get the President they deserve. We don't need a third political party, we need a 2nd one.

Posted by: Dobby at March 01, 2016 07:45 AM (b1uWI)

873 Show me some data

- Y-not (moxiemom)

One, I have eyes and ears. I know what kind of person the country will show up & vote for.

Two, here's today's national CNN/ORC poll (+/-3)
Clinton 52, Trump 44
Clinton 48, Cruz 49
Clinton 47, Rubio 50

head to head starts on pg 16:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/02/29/rel4b.-.2016.general.pdf

I like Cruz a lot, and I wish the country were enough to see past demeanor & swagger and vote for such a man. But the country isn't. I'm not gonna wrong my hands and cry about it, im just gonna move on & try to get another extremely conservative Republican into the White House. Cruz is great, but we're not ready for Cruz, we don't deserve Cruz right now.

Cruz is Romney 2.0. I'm not talking about policies or how conservative he is. I'm talking about the strange revisionist history wherein people act like Romney lost because he was done RINO squish. He might be, but that's not why he lost. He lost because he's a completely unrelatable boring old man with the personality of a wet mop. Who was running against a young energetic inspiring who made people care about me dead even if they didn't agree with them. Now we can learn the lesson from the Romney loss, or we can go with Romney 2.0. I wish it weren't the case.

You see, you & me do not decide anything. We're in the 96% of voters who typically vote for the same party in every general election. We don't decide a damn thing. Those other 4% who waffle back & forth - they run this country. They decide the leaders. If you want their support, you've got to give them what they want. They don't want another Romney or Cruz. They want someone with the personality traits of an Obama. And we have one who happens to be VERY conservative. It's not rocket science.

Posted by: Kevin at March 01, 2016 07:49 AM (fNdOF)

874 Reading Angelo Codevillas quoted comments, I see the little nugget in there about of the ruling class Stokes grievances of groups to win their votes. That is not at all veiled reference to Latinos and even more so to black voters. The reference verifies what black voters already know; that a significant nugget of motivation in this class war is rolling back the perceived gains of minorities. I think it's totally fair to regard the coming split of the party if it happens, as the white identity segment of the party gaining ascendance with the nomination of Trump. Every man Jack of you here in the comment section will shout me down, but that's okay. Given the racial dimension of this class war, as a black voter, I will be completely okay with the Republican Party getting torn apart from the inside by these conflicting impulses within itself. Trump winning will bring the racial dimension closer to the surface and that's fine because then it will be in the open rather than the hidden, covert effort to suppress minorities as a salve to white working class voters who would rather dominate them instead of makinf common cause against the elites with them.

Posted by: Political Season at March 01, 2016 07:50 AM (WEsiE)

875 Cruz wouldn't beat Hillary. Trump will. Any TDS thumb-suckers lost would be replaced by several crossover Democrat voters.

Posted by: mortimer snerd at March 01, 2016 07:57 AM (i7PoZ)

876 Exactly right.

Posted by: IanDeal at March 01, 2016 07:59 AM (QgD01)

877 Trump supporters are not reasonable. They want the GOP dead. Once it is gone, and Democrats have the Presidency, Legislature, and Supreme Court, I wonder if they will have enough awareness to say "oops"?

Posted by: Myself at March 01, 2016 08:12 AM (5wiU6)

878 856 So, in AceWorld these days, having principles--or being conservative--is referred to as "the vanity and preening of the Establishment/Respectable Upper Middle Class." Interesting.
****

Yes, for all of his posts about tribalism, Ace is quite the little tribal chieftain himself.

Posted by: Vyce at March 01, 2016 08:25 AM (ggX8y)

879 Even if you think the vanity and preening of the
Establishment/Respectable Upper Middle Class is silly, you cannot avoid
the fact that it is a palpable and real fact on the ground, and it must
be factored into one's considerations.


Why? They never factor in our wants or desires into their choices. In fact, I see their caterwauling and acting like spoiled children as a feature, not a bug. It exposes for all the world the fact that they hate their voters and only care about keeping the establishment in power.

The idea that these idiots have true "moral" opposition to Trump makes me laugh. They don't. Aside from his immigration stance, Trump is everything these establishmenterian GOP-apologists have wanted in a presidential candidate. They aren't upset because he is "vulgar" or "not conservative enough". They are upset because we aren't bowing to their wishes.

Screw them. If they want to destroy the GOP because they are spoiled children, let them. The GOP is worthless anyway.

Every time I read one of these fake conservatives moral preening about how they won't vote for Trump, I laugh.

I don't believe Trump is conservative, nor do I believe he is the greatest candidate ever. But I do realize that the conservative establishment has been exposed as nothing more than GOP apologists, and that the GOP itself is a leftist organization hell-bent on furthering the left's agenda.

So, they can refuse to vote for Trump and cry in their cappuccinos, I don't care. Screw them. I never believed RedState was a conservative site - it was always a GOP apologist site. I stopped reading National Review long ago. I don't trust the think-tanks and pundits. they are all part of the masquerade that the GOP puts on as it engages in failure theater and furthers the left's agenda. Their reaction to Trump is just more proof that they hate their own voters and only care about their own status.

Absent immigration, Trump is Romney or McCain, albeit more vulgar. So, these idiots pretending he is "beyond the pale" are just making bigger fools of themselves.

Posted by: Golden at March 01, 2016 08:27 AM (3ZtZW)

880 Oh look, more Marxist claptrap. You even used the term "class war." I'm a Rubio supporter, and I disagree with Trump on principle: he's not a conservative, he doesn't respect or understand our form of limited government, and he's a con artist who only respects wealth and power. Those views aren't owing of my class status. They stem from deeply held ideological views and notions of right and wrong.

However, Ace, you've reversed the proper inquiry here. Many, most I think, Rubio supporters would go for Cruz and vice versa. The question is for Trump supporters, who outnumber either the Cruz or Rubio camp. If Cruz is an acceptable, non-establishment figure, who shares your views on immigration, and whatever else you're so upset about, then why aren't you supporting him? He's principled. He's honest. He'll fight hard. So, Ace, you've got this all backwards. The questions are for the unhinged Trump supporters who read your blog. Why, oh why, would they support such a man?

Posted by: gts109 at March 01, 2016 08:36 AM (KIvt1)

881 852 Ted was fooled by Trump as were others. In fact a majority thought Ted had made some kind of deal with Trump. Trump will go down like the Titanic and take Ted with him. He will be tarnished with that and will be unable to defeat Hillary.

Posted by: River Guide at March 01, 2016 01:25 AM (mcm0N)
*******

If Ted was "fooled" by Trump, he's not as bright as he's claimed to be.

But that's not really the case. He wasn't "fooled" by Trump.

He's just arrogant. He assumed Trump would flame out (an error made by EVERYONE else), and then cynically believed that by coddling around with Trump FOR MONTHS that when Donald flamed out or faded, the majority of Trump's voters would go to him.

His folly was, of course, that by latching onto Trump and refusing, studiously, to say anything negative about the man, he actually strengthened Trump by essentially vouching for his populist / conservative bona fides, while looking like a beta male to Trump's alpha dog.

By the time came to try to maneuver against Trump (which only really happened once Donald began in on Cruz before Iowa), it was far, far, far too late, and a significant amount of Cruz's support - because he's always run on this flawed premise of appealing only to evangelicals and
the "missing" conservative vote - had started to peel away to Trump. By South Carolina, it was over.

People like Ace can rail against the Establishment all they want, but that was all Cruz's error. Now he has to live with it.

Posted by: Vyce at March 01, 2016 08:37 AM (ggX8y)

882 Make America great again.

Posted by: General Zod at March 01, 2016 08:38 AM (Bdeb0)

883 Trump is a liberal.

He's spent decades claiming he is pro-gun control, "very, very prochoice, and pro-socialized medicine.

Even while putting on the conservative act in the primary, he still comes out anti-free trade, pro-socialized medicine, & praises planned parenthood. It's like he can't help himself but fall back into his liberal ways.

Sorry, you can't have a conservative awakening in the last 2 months and convince a guy like me you're not a liberal.

His politics are pretty much identical to Obama's. So, rock on, Obama voters.

Posted by: Kevin at March 01, 2016 08:41 AM (fNdOF)

884 Vyce, it was everybody's error. Cruz just benefited from it most. The person to blame is the RNC. It allowed a field of 17 candidates. Large fields like that are known to produce extremist candidates. It's a phenomenon well known in political science.

Posted by: gts109 at March 01, 2016 08:42 AM (KIvt1)

885 However, Ace, you've reversed the proper inquiry here. Many, most I think, Rubio supporters would go for Cruz and vice versa.

Posted by: gts109 at March 01, 2016 08:36 AM (KIvt1)
******
I rather can't stand Cruz, and neither think he's as principled or as special as his followers make him out to be.

I'd support him over Trump in the primary, though. But he has no realistic path at this point, so my support is a moot point.

That said, per usual, Cruz's supporters are quite often the absolute worst advertisement for him possible.

Posted by: Vyce at March 01, 2016 08:42 AM (ggX8y)

886 884 Vyce, it was everybody's error. Cruz just benefited from it most. The person to blame is the RNC. It allowed a field of 17 candidates. Large fields like that are known to produce extremist candidates. It's a phenomenon well known in political science.

Posted by: gts109 at March 01, 2016 08:42 AM (KIvt1)
******

1) why wouldn't you want a large field of candidates, to represent a broad constituency of ideas and offer a variety of choice, and

2) if the RNC (which is "Establishment", you know) had tried to limit the number of candidates, the grassroots would have erupted in anger and claimed they were trying to rig the nomination process.

Posted by: Vyce at March 01, 2016 08:46 AM (ggX8y)

887 Vyce, Cruz rubs me wrong too. But in a two man race between him and Trump, we'd both vote for Cruz in a heartbeat, I think. Again though, all of this mess is owing to the size of the field. Big f-up by RNC.

Posted by: gts109 at March 01, 2016 08:47 AM (KIvt1)

888 >>Big f-up by RNC.

In any event (save Moroni miracle-ing Mitt into pole position at a brokered convention), the RNC better prepare to smell the glove.

Posted by: General Zod at March 01, 2016 09:02 AM (Bdeb0)

889 Hi Ace. Good read. I am a Virginian, though 400 miles away from the DC orbit. Cruz has been my choice from the beginning. He didn't turn his back on his voters. He tried to stop bad legislation through the power of the purse. He has the courage so needed plus Reagan-like solid arguments for the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I wish he had Reagan's charm, but you can't have everything.

It's morning and Super Tuesday in Virginia. Cruz, here I come.

Posted by: Beth at March 01, 2016 09:19 AM (4DVCL)

890 I get it:
Ace is for Cruz (Ace, really, you're quoting Nate Silver now?)
Drudge is for Trump
Establishment for Rubio

I can vote for any of these over Hillary

It's looking like Trump. And if it is, Republicans should get smart and back him. I think he'll surprise in a positive way.

Posted by: JoeNYC at March 01, 2016 09:26 AM (MCCiz)

891 Cruz is the only one who can beat Hillary? WTF? Is Obama still president? For a second time? Where's bearded Spock?

Posted by: Gunga Done at March 01, 2016 09:50 AM (pnRrB)

892 Pace 879's less than golden contentions, the issue isn't who's more vulgar, or who'll make the Beltway tremble more (hint: not Trump: having said anything to pander his way in, he'll cut any deal he likes, unconstrained by his non-existent conscience). It's which candidate will follow the Constitution and which candidate wants to be Crassus, or Caesar. (Or Clodius.)

There is nothing wrong with the country which could not be fixed in five minutes by returning to federalism and Constitutional originalism. And nothing which can be fixed without these.

That means, No Trump. Flat out, period, full stop.

Posted by: MarkhamShawPyle at March 01, 2016 09:52 AM (WlkUc)

893 "...the Little-Loved Ted Cruz"

I've always gotten along best with people that the people everybody likes, don't like.

Go figure.

Posted by: McGehee at March 01, 2016 09:54 AM (ax/6m)

894 "It's looking like Trump. And if it is, Republicans should get smart and back him. I think he'll surprise in a positive way."

Isn't that what the Establicans were saying about Obama eight years ago?

Posted by: McGehee at March 01, 2016 09:55 AM (ax/6m)

895 I'm voting Cruz even if Trump gets the nomination. I can't plug my nose and vote for him and when this election is over, I just might completely abandon the Republican party if they don't realize their open primaries are part of the reason Trump is winning. Why should Democrats and Independents determine who is going to represent the party??

Posted by: Stacy M at March 01, 2016 10:05 AM (jJMNa)

896 Posted by: Stacy M at March 01, 2016 10:05 AM (jJMNa)



That^

Posted by: Mimzey at March 01, 2016 10:14 AM (aRUb8)

897 898 - Stacey

Yes, closed primaries! Hell yes. Why we let non party members choose our candidate is beyond me.

Which leads me to another thought: We've probably all looked down outer noses at the democrats "superdelegate" system and how it's has rigged the game for Hillary. We've all had a laugh at how the democrat voters think they have a say in this.

However, if the GOP had a superdelegate system like the the one the Democrats have, they wouldn't have a Donald Trump problem. It would be a fun side conversation about what his popularity means, without the threat of him actually getting into office.

Posted by: Kevin at March 01, 2016 10:35 AM (fNdOF)

898 Ace, you nail both the Pharisees and Sadducees of the GOP and the peon mob howling for a head honcho/Savior to come in and kick the "establishment's ass.

Posted by: El Alamein at March 01, 2016 10:38 AM (uNpJu)

899 I feel as though I have been stuck in a bad dream for so long. I voted GWB, McCain, and Romney. I will absolutely, under no circumstances be voting Trump. What utter nonsense this all has become. I don't actually know any Trump voters. Every Republican I know is voting Cruz. Who would actually be fooled the charlatan buffoon Trump? Who are you people? It's just horrifying.

Posted by: Kat at March 01, 2016 11:04 AM (ACG+4)

900 "No one really likes him . . . ." Way to keep shilling for the GOP cronies and Trump, Ace. I actually thought you had a better mind than to continue to repeat that garbage.

Posted by: AntiLeftist at March 01, 2016 11:53 AM (gEPdP)

901 By the way, Ace, I've heard (or read) many people say you are a racist. So, I'm going to keep repeating: "Everyone says Ace is a racist."

Posted by: AntiLeftist at March 01, 2016 11:57 AM (gEPdP)

902 Pace 879's less than golden contentions, the issue
isn't who's more vulgar, or who'll make the Beltway tremble more (hint:
not Trump: having said anything to pander his way in, he'll cut any deal
he likes, unconstrained by his non-existent conscience). It's which
candidate will follow the Constitution and which candidate wants to be
Crassus, or Caesar. (Or Clodius.)



There is nothing wrong with the country which could not be fixed in
five minutes by returning to federalism and Constitutional originalism.
And nothing which can be fixed without these.



That means, No Trump. Flat out, period, full stop.

Posted by: MarkhamShawPyle at March 01, 2016 09:52 AM (WlkUc)

The problem with this is the underlying assumption that Rubio (or even Cruz) and a GOP congress would do anything other than what they have always done for the last 30 years.
I don't believe Trump will "save" the country or be a conservative. But, neither will Rubio or the GOP in congress. And, Cruz is also suspect having also had different policy proposals in the past. (Although, unlike Rubio and the rest, I'd probably vote for Cruz if he is the nominee).But, even assuming Cruz is as conservative as he has portrayed himself - the GOP congress isn't returning to federalism. That is why the idea that Trump is somehow "not conservative enough" for various GOP incumbents or "conservative" pundits is ludicrous. If they really cared about conservative outcomes, they'd have been railing against the leftist GOP for years. Hint - they haven't. All they care about is their own status and access. Because some of the "cool kids" are coming out with a "never trump" statement, the rest are rushing to follow suit to show their "in crowd" bona fides. It's a joke.

Posted by: Golden at March 01, 2016 12:04 PM (3ZtZW)

903 This blog/website is getting pretty pathetic.

Posted by: Oyvey at March 01, 2016 12:17 PM (e9j1N)

904 905 represents, I think we can say, the Trumpian, not to say Trumpshirt, reaction: Get Top Men. Top. Men. Get the best or the most apt or the most populist cronies into office under a caudillo. (Judging by Il Douchey's business, meaning, bankruptcy, record, I don't see that he's very good at that, but never mind.)

I'm with Milton Friedman on this one. Not to mention James Madison, and, for that matter, Aristotle. You cannot get angels to govern men. You CAN make it too politically costly for men not to restrain themselves angelically in office. (One of the great objections to the viciousness of Il Douchey's private character is this: hypocrisy may be the tribute vice pays to virtue, but it is a greater evil when vice thinks itself strong enough to leave off paying tribute.)

It is quite true that not enough people have worked hard enough to make the costs of unconservative and unconstitutional behavior in office prohibitive. The correction to that is to have a constitutionalist at the top of the ticket, supported by a party who will hold pols' feet to the fire all the way down the ballot. It is NOT, out of mere malign pleasure in putting the bottom rail on top, to support a two-bit fascist who will, although not a conservative, be treated for decades by the Left and the MSM (but I repeat myself) as the "true face" of conservatism, rendering conservatives unelectable for a generation.

I don't much care if you like or even trust Ted Cruz or not; anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty must at least admit that he's made constitutionalism his brand, and couldn't drop it if he tried. THAT is what makes him the right choice to do what needs doing, even if you believe he'd secretly like to squish. His interest and all his ambitions are wrapped up in that (in the same way in which we look to the interest of the baker, the butcher, and the brewer, and not to their benevolence, for our dinners).

The Trumpshirts are merely Hillary-and-Bernie types with a twist, statists squabbling over spoils, a mob looking to be led by a horse's ass on horseback.

Which is why I am serious as a heart attack, neighbor, when I say, "Never Trump, and never any forgiveness for anyone who enabled, helped create, or ever supported the son of a bitch."

Now, I, like, I hope, most Texans, am going to go cast my ballot for liberty, the Constitution, and Ted Cruz; and probably stop by Chic-Fil-A afterwards for lunch.

Posted by: MarkhamShawPyle at March 01, 2016 12:41 PM (WlkUc)

905 I don't find his faith annoying being a Christian. But your analysis is spot on. NO WAY am I EVER going to vote for Trump. And Rubio is the next Romney, McCain, Dole. etc... Ted is our only hope for sure.

Posted by: shewy 62 at March 01, 2016 12:44 PM (CAklZ)

906 I've given money three times, and I'm praying daily. All I can do. Oh, that and keep my focus on what I can control so that my sanity remains intact.
Thank you for your insightful and coherent writings, Ace!

Posted by: RedStateGal at March 01, 2016 12:48 PM (RHjCR)

907 When a thread gets bumped, does that count as an old thread and thus lead to the autobanning by PixyWare .000237?

Because that would be a super sneaky way for ace to teach us all the lesson we deserve.

(Please don't ban me, ace)

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 01, 2016 01:40 PM (mf5HN)

908

I'll take it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 01, 2016 01:41 PM (qCMvj)

909 Any news on how American Somoa is voting?!

*bites fingernail*

Posted by: Bigby's Handbrake at March 01, 2016 01:42 PM (3ZtZW)

910

we start at 1000 comments or so

heh

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 01, 2016 01:42 PM (qCMvj)

911 Zombie thread lives!

Seriously, ace is spot on.

Without Ted, the GOP is Ded.

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 01, 2016 01:42 PM (NQmg1)

912 stats and info
MAKE SURE YOU VOTE!

What's at stake?

In all, 595 Republican delegates- about 25 percent of the total number -- are available on Super Tuesday. Republicans need 1,237 delegates to win the party's nomination; Democrats need 2,383. There are 1,004 Democrat delegates available on March 1. The states involved in Super Tuesday also represent about 130 so-called Super Delegates, Democrats who are not pledged to support the winner from their states. The vast majority of Super Delegates have already pledged support for Clinton.

What states are voting?

Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont and Virginia will hold primaries for both parties. Alaska will hold its Republican caucus while American Samoa will caucus for Democrats. Colorado will caucus for both parties though only the Democrats are choosing a candidate. Republicans in Colorado have opted to select delegates only and then let those delegates choose which candidate to support at the national convention.
...

Alabama awards its delegates proportionally. Republican candidates will be competing for 50 delegates in the state.
...

The big prize on Super Tuesday is Texas, which has 155...

There are still large primaries ahead, including Florida, Illinois, North Carolina and Missouri on March 15 and New York in April 19. The final multi-state primary day isn't until June 7, when California, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico and South Dakota, as well as North Dakota Democrats, will vote.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 01, 2016 01:43 PM (qCMvj)

913 we start at 1000 comments or so

heh
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 01, 2016 01:42 PM (qCMvj)


It"s a repost

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2016 01:43 PM (mw8Dm)

914 "For many Republicans, Trump is more than just a political choice," said Kevin Madden, a veteran operative who advised 2012 nominee Mitt Romney.

"It's a litmus test for character."



Srsly? Character? What character?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 01:43 PM (+058L)

915 And that man is Ted Cruz.

And that man is quitting.

http://tinyurl.com/hl49j6y

Posted by: Rick Tingles at March 01, 2016 01:43 PM (o29ZM)

916 Without Ted, the GOP is Ded.
Posted by: Joe Mama


Probably even with him.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 01, 2016 01:44 PM (FkBIv)

917 I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Trump is in this race for one reason, and one reason only: to ensure an HRC presidency. He and the Clinton's made a deal long ago. The ultimate Triangulation.

Posted by: Trippy64 at March 01, 2016 01:44 PM (88yVn)

918 Awesome! Thread recycling has arrived!

Posted by: Al-Gore, I Am The Destroyer! at March 01, 2016 01:46 PM (TxJGV)

919 I'm not sure why I shouldn't want to make the establishment eat a turd this time. when have they ever taken one for the team?

Posted by: x at March 01, 2016 01:46 PM (nFwvY)

920 Some of this stuff, if true, is simply amazing. This whole election cycle is getting to be psycho.

http://tinyurl.com/jq8rg85


Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 01, 2016 01:46 PM (2PHKP)

921 Sup Ace.

You should do a poll post today.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 01:46 PM (xuouz)

922 I'll vote for Ted if he wins the nomination. I can't vote in the primary, I'm registered "unaffiliated".

Ace figures out what the rest can't. In order to win, you need a champion. No champion, no win.

Trump, Cruz or lose, let's rock.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 01:46 PM (3myMJ)

923 On Breitbart there's an article that quotes Ivanka saying her dad's "in it for the long haul" and "in it to win it." I don't think Trump would make a fool of his daughter and pull a Ross Perot, if that's a worry for people.

Posted by: Adrienne at March 01, 2016 01:46 PM (lVcuh)

924 Trump has a chance to be competitive in states where Cruz has ZERO chances of winning... here in #Failifornia, for instance.


Posted by: redc1c4 at March 01, 2016 01:46 PM (ISW4H)

925 Nude bumping!

Posted by: wooga at March 01, 2016 01:47 PM (gb+PB)

926 I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Trump is in this race for
one reason, and one reason only: to ensure an HRC presidency.
---
This was silly six months ago. It's amazing to see people who still don't think he intends to win today.

I guess you think Jeff Sessions is a Clinton plant, too.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 01, 2016 01:47 PM (ZbV+0)

927 I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Trump is in this race for
one reason, and one reason only: to ensure an HRC presidency. He and the
Clinton's made a deal long ago. The ultimate Triangulation.>>>

Even if we assume the deal was made. It would have been on Trump mucking up the primary some not winning. Do you think Trump will honor the deal now?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 01, 2016 01:47 PM (XtAzU)

928 Any news on how American Somoa is voting?!


It's tilting toward Hillary.

Posted by: Rep. Hank Johnson (D)umbass at March 01, 2016 01:47 PM (8ZskC)

929 Posted by: Trippy64 at March 01, 2016 01:44 PM (88yVn)

Say it somewhere else

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2016 01:47 PM (mw8Dm)

930 And that man is quitting.

"The insideris Roger Stone. He once worked for Donald Trump..."

I'm gonna need some bigger grains of salt.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 01, 2016 01:48 PM (4WhSY)

931 1. Cruz
2. Dark horse to be named later
3. Retarded monkey
4. Shit the retarded monkey left behind
5. SMOD
6. Hillary
7. Trump

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 01, 2016 01:48 PM (k8tEg)

932 Forgot to add:

Cruz has to win Texas or he's finished.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 01:48 PM (3myMJ)

933 No, *four* federal informants. That fifth guy's going to feel really, really stupid when this is all over.

He's the one actually hitting the pipe. It'll be a week before his public defender can explain it to him.

Posted by: DaveA at March 01, 2016 01:48 PM (DL2i+)

934 915 Posted by: Rick Tingles at March 01, 2016 01:43 PM (o29ZM)
-----------------------------------------

Vote manipulation! Dirty trick! Vote stealing!

Fire Rick Tingles!

Posted by: Ben Carson at March 01, 2016 01:48 PM (TxJGV)

935 That the GOPe has completely failed to represent the voters is not an argument that Trump is a worthy candidate.


Ah.......why bother.

Posted by: pep at March 01, 2016 01:48 PM (3e8zv)

936 Ted Cruz - "The only man who can actually defeat Hillary Clinton"

But, Obama beat Hillary like a drum.

Therefore, Obama is not a man.

QED

Posted by: Roy at March 01, 2016 01:48 PM (VndSC)

937 Cruz save the party? Shouldn't he focus on saving his campaign first?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at March 01, 2016 01:49 PM (3dOE/)

938 I voted for Ted this morning. I can't do any more than that. All the fools who think Trump is going to do anything but stab them in the back need to get the shit changed out of their brain cases.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at March 01, 2016 01:49 PM (xWW96)

939 point of order: after the last 30 or so years of back-stabbing, why do i want to save the GOP?

let it burn.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 01, 2016 01:49 PM (ISW4H)

940 http://tinyurl.com/hl49j6y

Posted by: Rick Tingles at March 01, 2016 01:43 PM (o29ZM)



Roger Stone??....thats funny, right there! Good one Rick!!

Posted by: Mimzey at March 01, 2016 01:50 PM (aRUb8)

941
I'm gonna need some bigger grains of salt.
Posted by: Blanco Basura



And -- now I'm hungry for a one of those big soft salty pretzels.

Thanks.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 01, 2016 01:50 PM (kdS6q)

942 Government spending? Whatever.
Iranian nukes? Who cares?
Abortion? Meh.
Immigration? NO COMPROMISE YOU PRO-AMNESTY RINOS!

Posted by: JohnJ at March 01, 2016 01:50 PM (TF/YA)

943 Prescient12 hardest hit.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 01, 2016 01:50 PM (2cS/G)

944 Yeah, tell me again what a Romney advisor has to say.

You know I don't make a move without hearing what his fucking brain trust thinks about things.

The only bigger influence, besides Nichole Wallace and Steve Schmidt would be that sage - Eric Ericson.

Of course, I yet to read the insights of the insufferable twits at the Federalist and New Republic today.

How about this...

Trump sweeps the primaries and everyone falls in line, taking 45 states in the general.

Good plan.

Posted by: jwest at March 01, 2016 01:50 PM (Zs4uk)

945 Time Machine.

Totally don't have one.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 01, 2016 01:50 PM (9mTYi)

946 This thread is yuge.

Posted by: votermom at March 01, 2016 01:50 PM (cbfNE)

947 1. Press a strong 10th Amendment suit against the federal government. Texas Proposition 4 on the ballot today.

2. Challenge White vs. Texas all the way up. (Codified no right of secession on a bullshit premise.)

3. Secede. Fuck it. We're gone. Do your worst. War.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam. at March 01, 2016 01:50 PM (g86xl)

948 930 And that man is quitting.

"The insideris Roger Stone. He once worked for Donald Trump..."

I'm gonna need some bigger grains of salt.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 01, 2016 01:48 PM (4WhSY)

And now he is the Daily Caller's Men's Fashion Editor.

Need salt licks.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 01, 2016 01:50 PM (LdVxD)

949 Oh great, the already long thread from yesterday was bumped, so now it can get embigglienned some more

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 01, 2016 01:50 PM (lVU49)

950 Only One Man Can Stop the GOP From Breaking Apart Into Pieces



And we want this why?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 01:50 PM (+058L)

951 It's tilting toward Hillary.



Posted by: Rep. Hank Johnson (D)umbass at March 01, 2016 01:47 PM (8ZskC)


HEH!!!!!

Posted by: 1800's Erotic Art Connoisseur at March 01, 2016 01:51 PM (jjaLl)

952 I did my part. Voted my conscience. Usually that means the principled person i vote for loses. I almost voted Paul just to try to avoid that. Jk

But really, we'll see eh?

Posted by: Sugar Plum Fairy #176-671 at March 01, 2016 01:51 PM (hnCis)

953 So six hours until the world collapes, right?
Give or take an hour I suppose...

Posted by: IP at March 01, 2016 01:51 PM (aQQbl)

954 I think we are going to set a record for 0-1000 comments today.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at March 01, 2016 01:51 PM (xWW96)

955 er, that should be "embiggled"
my bad

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 01, 2016 01:51 PM (lVU49)

956 916
Without Ted, the GOP is Ded.

Posted by: Joe Mama



Probably even with him.



Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 01, 2016 01:44 PM (FkBIv)

Whigs, redux.

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 01, 2016 01:51 PM (NQmg1)

957 the lefties I hear are all in on declaring Trump a fascist dictator in the making, and his supporters, Weimar Germans

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 01:52 PM (L3GKO)

958 I'll believe Cruz is dropping out the minute I hear him say it.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah at March 01, 2016 01:52 PM (WVsWD)

959 Rubio - He has no principles except his own advancement.

Glib first term Senator -- a young man in a hurry -- with an interesting cross-over ethnic identity. Has never had a job that wasn't in politics. The Republican Obama!

When Rubio joined the Gang of Eight it wasn't so clear that supporting Amnesty would be a Kiss of Death with the Base. Rubio did so because he wanted a Signature Accomplishment in his first term that he could then tout to show what a Bridge Building Statesman he was when he went for the Iron Throne.

Now he's hanging in to do the dirty work of Romney & Co. With dick jokes! He'll lose Florida by over 20%. Jeb still has some juice in Florida and a long memory. Expect Florida Governor Rick Scott to announce his endorsement of Trump any day now.

So after his Senate term ends, Rubio couldn't get elected dog catcher in Florida. So it's off to K Street.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 01, 2016 01:52 PM (r1fLd)

960 3. Secede. Fuck it. We're gone. Do your worst. War.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam.


You know you go to hell for teasing.
How do we make it happen?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 01:52 PM (+058L)

961 Ted Cruz is revolutionary enough for the populists, without being too revolting for the Polite Set.

He is, quite literally -- and I've never said this before -- the only man who can save the party. The only man who can keep it together.

The only man who can actually defeat Hillary Clinton.


Alas I'm arriving at the conclusion that the GOP is done no matter who wins the nom. If Trump wins, the elites will try to force him out, at which point he goes third party, or else he will destroy the party's brand. If someone else wins then the base feels betrayed and blows the party off forever. The RINOs will become Democrats and the conservatives will go their own way with a third party, leaving the Dems to run the show all around.

Posted by: joncelli the Really Fat Police Dog at March 01, 2016 01:52 PM (RD7QR)

962 If Cruz stomps the other in Texas, voters are going to have to start giving him consideration.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 01, 2016 01:53 PM (8PbKi)

963 the lefties I hear are all in on declaring Trump a fascist dictator in the making, and his supporters, Weimar Germans

They said a lot of the same shit about Reagan, too. Possibly more.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 01:53 PM (oVJmc)

964 And -- now I'm hungry for a one of those big soft salty pretzels.
Thanks.


I used to know how you feel, so I went to Chik-Fil-A. No pretzel, but who cares?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 01, 2016 01:53 PM (4WhSY)

965 It"s a repost
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2016 01:43 PM (mw8Dm)


I know.
It could have been a "repost" with new comments tho.

Some people use their phones and such.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 01, 2016 01:53 PM (qCMvj)

966 If Cruz drops out I'm going to play "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" starting drinking, and start prepping.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 01, 2016 01:53 PM (k8tEg)

967 "Yeah, tell me again what a Romney advisor has to say. You know I don't make a move without hearing what his fucking brain trust thinks about things."

What is ORCA 2.0 predicting for turnout?

"The only bigger influence, besides Nichole Wallace and Steve Schmidt would be that sage - Eric Ericson."

I'm going to have to wait until Haley Barbour weighs in.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2016 01:54 PM (noWW6)

968 I'm going to play "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" starting drinking, and start prepping.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 01, 2016 01:53 PM (k8tEg)

FTFY

Posted by: IP at March 01, 2016 01:54 PM (aQQbl)

969 I wish I were an Oscar Mayer Weimar.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 01, 2016 01:54 PM (FkBIv)

970 Face it, you're just not that into him.

Let me see--you become sort of famous for coining the term--

"Puffy scamper" but it ends up getting used against Glenn Beck --whoever that is and the guy you sort of rolled out of bed for.

Shoot--gotta go my Sec. Of State Yeezy is twitter storming again.

Posted by: President Kim Kardashian Yeezy typing thru the spacetime continuum at March 01, 2016 01:54 PM (mcm0N)

971 I think the primary question is,
Why exactly does anyone want to save the Republican Party in the first place?

Posted by: Mister Ghost at March 01, 2016 01:54 PM (x3yMd)

972 All I read is Ace's plea that the GOPe bosses back Ted Cruz for the sake of the Party and the Country. The problem is, that the GOPe hates Ted Cruz as much or more than Trump and would rather shatter the Party and inflict Hillary Clinton on the Country than give up their grip on the political machinery.

It's very comfortable in the bubble. Remember the two scenes in "Braveheart" where Bill Wallace confronts the real world - The Bruce fighting the Scots while wearing English livery, and the Scottish nobles beating feet at Falkirk?

A lot of the #NeverTrump people are serious about voting for Hillary.

Posted by: mrp at March 01, 2016 01:54 PM (JBggj)

973 I'll believe Cruz is dropping out the minute I hear him say it.

****

Doesn't Cruz still have the biggest war chest? I think he's been cleverly saving it for the real battle too come. My guess is he's going to swarm Florida and Ohio with ads.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 01, 2016 01:54 PM (8PbKi)

974 Srsly? Character? What character?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 01:43 PM (+058L)


Pennywise?

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 01, 2016 01:54 PM (mf5HN)

975
Ted Cruz is...The only man who can actually defeat Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Ace



If Tedward can't beat Trump, and he can't beat Dondi, he certainly doesn't have the chops to take out a fully weaponized Democratic Party and their Yellow Toothed Queen.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 01, 2016 01:54 PM (kdS6q)

976 There are so many reasons I would not listen to Nate Silver, I can't enumerate them. Eff him.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 01:55 PM (oKE6c)

977 Any news on how American Somoa is voting?!

*bites fingernail*


Cruz is very interested in that vote. 8 states *and/or territories* must be won. Cruz has done work to try to win there for just that reason.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 01:55 PM (3myMJ)

978 I voted for Ted this morning. I can't do any more than that. All the fools who think Trump is going to do anything but stab them in the back need to get the shit changed out of their brain cases.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at March 01, 2016 01:49 PM (xWW96)

******

That Dale Carnegie course is really paying off for you.

Posted by: Tim in GA at March 01, 2016 01:55 PM (xWy6i)

979 Posted by: RedStateGal at March 01, 2016 12:48 PM (RHjCR)


Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 01, 2016 01:40 PM
-----------------------

Interruption of the Time-Space Continuum.
This can only end badly.

Posted by: Dr. Emmett Lathrop Brown, PhD. at March 01, 2016 01:55 PM (9mTYi)

980 966 If Cruz drops out I'm going to play "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" starting drinking, and start prepping.
--------------------------------------------------

Why wait?

Posted by: Robbie Robertson at March 01, 2016 01:55 PM (TxJGV)

981 "leaving the Dems to run the show all around"

Chicago
Philadelphia
Detroit
St. Louis
Baltimore
Oakland
etc

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 01:55 PM (L3GKO)

982 I'm with Bob in the last thread. Voting for Trump.

Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Soona at March 01, 2016 01:55 PM (Fmupd)

983 What is ORCA 2.0 predicting for turnout?

Shamu say heap big turnout.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 01, 2016 01:55 PM (FkBIv)

984 Just win, baby!

Trump has downside risk but can win by attracting new voters to the Republican ranks and so expand Romney's electoral map to include states like Ohio, while driving up Hillary's negatives so that many of those who would never pull a Republican lever stay home.

Cruz has attractions to people who blog here -- especially the Constitutional fetishists -- but can lose states that even Romney won.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 01, 2016 01:56 PM (r1fLd)

985 A lot of the #NeverTrump people are serious about voting for Hillary.

---------

I don't know about that. They are probably serious about not voting Trump.

Now tell me a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

Posted by: SH at March 01, 2016 01:56 PM (gmeXX)

986 Yes, all the Trump kids have been supporting dad and on the stage with him. The idea that he is going to fold or quit or is a Manchurian candidate is bigglydiculous. Say what you want, dude raised some solid kids and I don't see him taking a dive in front of his kids.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 01, 2016 01:56 PM (0NXlT)

987 I hope someone drops out tomorrow.

Posted by: votermom at March 01, 2016 01:56 PM (cbfNE)

988 If the GOPe gets Mario or worse as the Republican standard bearer, not only should they not get conservative votes, we should actively cooperate with the left on things that will most acutely hurt the GOPe.

Can't yield on amnesty? Ok, how about a nice helping of a $15 minimum wage and a cap gains tax increase too then?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 01:56 PM (5LOno)

989 Fox/CNN called this for Mario yet?

Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2016 01:56 PM (6xtq3)

990 "Glib first term Senator -- a young man in a hurry -- with an interesting
cross-over ethnic identity. Has never had a job that wasn't in
politics."

Big ears. And persistent rumors of a taste for down-low anonymous ghey sechs.

Yep, the parallels are indeed numerous, and unsettling.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2016 01:56 PM (noWW6)

991 When Rubio joined the Gang of Eight it wasn't so clear that supporting Amnesty would be a Kiss of Death with the Base.

-----

Yes he should have. Remember the amnesty shitstorm we went thru the last year of W's presidency.

That..... is called a clue.

He knew. He just listened to the establishment.

Dondi is dumb.

Be smart.

Dont be like Dondi.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 01:56 PM (8XRCm)

992 If Cruz stomps the other in Texas, voters are going to have to start giving him consideration.

I'd love to see him get 50+% in TX, but it'd be a big row to hoe.

Rubio, OTOH, isn't expected to win anywhere, even at home.

The truth is Rubio needs to go, but won't.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 01:56 PM (oVJmc)

993 Sup Ace.

You should do a poll post today.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 01:46 PM (xuouz)


good idea

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 01, 2016 01:56 PM (qCMvj)

994 963 the lefties I hear are all in on declaring Trump a fascist dictator in the making, and his supporters, Weimar Germans
They said a lot of the same shit about Reagan, too. Possibly more.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 01:53 PM (oVJmc)



They said that and worse about Goldwater.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 01:56 PM (oKE6c)

995 Ted Cruz is...The only man who can actually defeat Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Ace


Ted Cruz may be the only person in the country that is liked less than Hillary.

Posted by: jwest at March 01, 2016 01:57 PM (Zs4uk)

996 If Trump wins, the elites will try to force him out, at which point he goes third party, or else he will destroy the party's brand. If someone else wins then the base feels betrayed and blows the party off forever

===

They won't STFU and vote like they're told.

You know, like they've said to us for 25 years now.

Plenty of other nice parties for them to look at and vote for.

Posted by: Bigby's Handbrake at March 01, 2016 01:57 PM (3ZtZW)

997 If Cruz drops out I'm going to play "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" starting drinking, and start prepping.

Just working on that one for one of my bands, love the bass pickups into the verses.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 01:57 PM (3myMJ)

998 CNN out with a poll, Trump loses by 8 points to Hillary, basically a landslide while Cruz and Rubio beat her.

I'd rather have 2-3 Supreme Court picks than a momentary middle finger.

Posted by: Branson at March 01, 2016 01:57 PM (st1SS)

999

that fat headed, double-chinned baldy with glasses, who looks like an oversized 3D animated baby, is working furiously behind the scenes to destroy trump and cruz

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 01, 2016 01:58 PM (qCMvj)

1000 Biggly jokes just never get old.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 01:58 PM (xuouz)

1001
Doesn't Cruz still have the biggest war chest? I think he's been cleverly saving it for the real battle too come. My guess is he's going to swarm Florida and Ohio with ads.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse



Florida? Flood the zone in a WTA purple state, where he has half the vote of Rubio, who has half the vote of Trump.

That would be insane.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 01, 2016 01:58 PM (kdS6q)

1002 All the fools who think Trump is going to do anything but stab them in the back need to get the shit changed out of their brain cases.
***
Here is the thing, it is 100% guaranteed that Rubio, Kaisch and the rest of the GOPe will fuck us over in a permanent way with amnesty given the chance. 100%.

I agree with Ace that Cruz is the best choice...but after Cruz comes Trump because we don't know for sure that he will screw us over...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 01:58 PM (5LOno)

1003 Well, the MSM is allowed to look upon Hills! as she deplanes.

YAY!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 01, 2016 01:58 PM (mEZce)

1004 971 I think the primary question is,
Why exactly does anyone want to save the Republican Party in the first place?
Posted by: Mister Ghost at March 01, 2016 01:54 PM (x3yMd)


----------------


'Zactly.

Posted by: Soona at March 01, 2016 01:58 PM (Fmupd)

1005 He needs to get whoever is writing his letters for campaign donations replaced - I signed up to volunteer in Florida but letters I'm getting are truly bad - I hope the rest of his ground game is better.

Posted by: hinoeuma at March 01, 2016 01:58 PM (//TVq)

1006 A circular firing squad embiggens the smallest thread.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 01, 2016 01:58 PM (evdj2)

1007 When Rubio joined the Gang of Eight it wasn't so clear that supporting Amnesty would be a Kiss of Death with the Base.



Good thing a leader doesn't have to anticipate events, and where those he leads will eventually want to go.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 01:59 PM (oKE6c)

1008 "Rubio needs to go, but won't."

then he'll justly share the blame

nice kid, but clueless

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 01:59 PM (L3GKO)

1009 ONE THOUSAND

*Coins fall on kari's head*

*through his head, actually, he's a ghost.*

I DID IT

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 01:59 PM (xuouz)

1010
My prediction. Carry over from the last thread.

Cruz beats Teh Donald in Texas.

By 2%

Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 01:59 PM (8XRCm)

1011 "Yes, all the Trump kids have been supporting dad and on the stage with him."

The enormous gaggle of mini-Mitts were constantly on stage in 2012.

Assuring us all that their beloved dad was _serious you guys_ about confronting and evicting Obama.

Then in the general, the Mittbot went milquetoast.

And afterward, one of the mini-Mitts fessed up that his father had "never really wanted to be President".

Family endorsements don't mean squat. Scoreboard. That's it. Scoreboard.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2016 01:59 PM (noWW6)

1012 This election season has been horrible. I hope it ends soon and we can put our focus back on limiting the federal government from the outside.

I'm ready for and Article V convention.

Posted by: Global Warming made Hillary a crook at March 01, 2016 01:59 PM (VRc/p)

1013 I'm not worried about saving the feckless GOP, my concern is saving the republic.

Posted by: Countrysquire at March 01, 2016 01:59 PM (8G1yW)

1014 Bumped thread?

Hell, it beats workin'!

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 01, 2016 01:59 PM (dH97I)

1015 the lefties I hear are all in on declaring Trump a fascist dictator in the making, and his supporters, Weimar Germans
***
Funny how they are in a state of crises that Trump *might* do the same sort of things Obama does right now.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (5LOno)

1016 999

that fat headed, double-chinned baldy with glasses, who looks like an oversized 3D animated baby, is working furiously behind the scenes to destroy trump and cruz

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 01, 2016 01:58 PM (qCMvj)


Still love that pic of a ham with glasses next to him.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (mEZce)

1017 998 CNN out with a poll, Trump loses by 8 points to Hillary, basically a landslide while Cruz and Rubio beat her.
Posted by: Branson


CNN you say? how helpful of them.

Posted by: x at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (nFwvY)

1018 If I had been advising Ted, I would have had his coffers drained by today. The states voting today are the ones he needed to make a move.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (evdj2)

1019 The only man who can actually defeat Hillary Clinton.

Posted by Ace at 01:40 PM Comments


_______________________________________________

Cruz all the way, but the above is overwrought. Trump will beat Cankles, just as Rubio or Cruz will. The only difference is that Trump replaces many thumb up their ass Republicans with blue collar voters. Nobody wants Cankles, and socialist Teh Bern will crash and burn in the general.

Posted by: NotCoach at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (rsudF)

1020 *through his head, actually, he's a ghost.*


-----

Something to Ponder.

When/If Fenelon kills Kari..... if he's already a ghost.... what does he become???

Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (8XRCm)

1021 I agree with Ace that Cruz is the best choice...but after Cruz comes Trump because we don't know for sure that he will screw us over...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 01:58 PM (5LOno)


No, we don't know for sure, but I, for one, am pretty fukkin' confident.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (xWW96)

1022 If Trump wasn't in the race the "Smart Set" at NRO, Weekly Standard, Spectator, et al. would be "intellectually harassing" Ted Cruz to the same degree they are Trump. Both candidates have the potential to end and expose the Washington uni-party rule and the same uni-party's control over the Federal Reserve, budget items, regulatory agencies, and any other medium through which they enrich themselves at the expense of everyone outside the Beltway political class. The GOPe will not accept Cruz as a compromise candidate because he threatens their gargantuan influence and income.

Posted by: Crump/Truz at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (8EJen)

1023 "one of the mini-Mitts fessed up that his father had "never really wanted to be President""

really? that would explain a lot

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (L3GKO)

1024 I hope someone drops out tomorrow.
Posted by: votermom
----------------

Carson is surely done for.
There is probably some meaning to that, in the sense that the nicest, most decent guy in the bunch, is least likely to score.

A sad commentary on the state of America.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (9mTYi)

1025 No thread is complete until Hollowpoint shows up so he can be ignore_user()'d again.

Posted by: DaveA at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (DL2i+)

1026 "A circular firing squad embiggens the smallest thread."

Oh crap! The windlass on my crossbow is locking up.

I love this thing but it just can't sustain the rate of fire.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (noWW6)

1027 Ted Cruz and Donald Trump walk into a bar...

Bartender says, what'll it be?

Posted by: eleven at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (qUNWi)

1028 CNN out with a poll, Trump loses by 8 points to Hillary, basically a landslide while Cruz and Rubio beat her.


Were they polling their editorial offices?


An LAT poll famously predicted that Gray Davis would easily withstand the recall election in CA. Nice try, guys.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (oKE6c)

1029
Going for 2000???

Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (8XRCm)

1030 If Trump wins, the elites will try to force him out, at which point he goes third party, or else he will destroy the party's brand.
Posted by: joncelli the Really Fat Police Dog at March 01, 2016 01:52 PM (RD7QR)

What brand? The "we won't deliver on defunding PP, but still get demonized by liberals for supporting it in theory" brand? The "We won't dig in our heels to stop Obama's lawlessness, but we'll be demonized for it anyway" brand? The endless failure theater brand? That brand?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (xuouz)

1031 This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: Admiral Painter at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (12kBq)

1032 the lefties I hear are all in on declaring Trump a fascist dictator in the making, and his supporters, Weimar Germans
***
Oh, and I would point out to our friends in the left, that if you look at the examples of Spain in 1935 or Chile in 1973, there is only so far they can push society before there is an actual reactionary response to it.

Amusingly the best thing that could happen to the left right now is for the country to take a hard right turn.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (5LOno)

1033 The only man who can actually defeat Hillary Clinton.

Wishcasting doesn't suit you Ace.

For all his positive qualities, he just doesn't have the charisma. I wish it were otherwise, but it's not.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (XhSez)

1034 I'm stocking up on marshmallows for The Burning.

Posted by: votermom at March 01, 2016 02:02 PM (cbfNE)

1035 I bet we could get a hell of a band together using moron musicians. But I haven't seen anyone admit to being a drummer, which is understandable.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam. at March 01, 2016 02:02 PM (g86xl)

1036 Relax people--I put Khloe on the Supreme Court--she gives people the middle finger all the time.

Posted by: President Kim Kardashian Yeezy typing thru the spacetime continuum at March 01, 2016 02:02 PM (mcm0N)

1037 peeks in, realizes my kevlar is at the cleaners.

backs out.

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2016 02:02 PM (L1+sh)

1038 The Economist has a picture Trump as Uncle Sam with the headline "Really?"

someone really needs to send Chester Oglethorp IV out to the provinces to see what the deuce is going on what

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 02:02 PM (L3GKO)

1039 No, we don't know for sure, but I, for one, am pretty fukkin' confident.
Posted by: maddogg
-----------------

Is there anyone who Trump hasn't screwed over?

Well, aside from Trump, of course.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 01, 2016 02:02 PM (9mTYi)

1040 Yes, all the Trump kids have been supporting dad and on the stage with
him. The idea that he is going to fold or quit or is a Manchurian
candidate is bigglydiculous. Say what you want, dude raised some solid
kids and I don't see him taking a dive in front of his kids.


I'm personally holding fast to the theory that Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run to clear the field for Hillary, and created a monster that he can't control.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 01, 2016 02:02 PM (4WhSY)

1041 994
963 the lefties I hear are all in on declaring Trump a fascist dictator in the making, and his supporters, Weimar Germans
They said a lot of the same shit about Reagan, too. Possibly more.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 01:53 PM (oVJmc)


They said that and worse about Goldwater.


Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 01:56 PM (oKE6c)

They say that every election, from Harding to Romney.

Posted by: JohnJ at March 01, 2016 02:02 PM (TF/YA)

1042 No, we don't know for sure, but I, for one, am pretty fukkin' confident.




I'd rather try pretty fukkin confident over 100% certain.

After 30 years, it's 100% certain.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 02:02 PM (+058L)

1043 The endless failure theater brand? That brand?
___
Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of GOPeism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at March 01, 2016 02:03 PM (5LOno)

1044 939
point of order: after the last 30 or so years of back-stabbing, why do i want to save the GOP?

let it burn.


Posted by: redc1c4 at March 01, 2016 01:49 PM (ISW4H)


I agree. Screw the GOP. ..How about saving the Constitution?If you thought that was worth saving, which candidate do you think would do the best job??

Posted by: Mimzey at March 01, 2016 02:03 PM (aRUb8)

1045 What's with the silly quoting of current polls for the general? It's 8 months away, polling is meaningless.

Take a look at the polling from 8 months back.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 02:03 PM (3myMJ)

1046 1018 If I had been advising Ted, I would have had his coffers drained by today. The states voting today are the ones he needed to make a move.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (evdj2)




This. If he wins/won big today, the coffers would get replenished. If he doesn't, his campaign is on life support.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:03 PM (oKE6c)

1047 *hauls willow back in*

*mainly so we can get a new thread*

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 01, 2016 02:03 PM (mf5HN)

1048 GOP = throats.

Posted by: Mega at March 01, 2016 02:03 PM (hHFOx)

1049 When/If Fenelon kills Kari..... if he's already a ghost.... what does he become???
Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (8XRCm)

A Bernie Sander supporter, presumably. A ceaselessly shrieking undead spirit that guilts others into considering socialism but never actually shows up to the polls.

I'm such a sicko I bet I could sock that - the conservative Sanders advocate. I've been able to do it for Trump :/

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:03 PM (xuouz)

1050 "There is probably some meaning to that, in the sense that the nicest, most decent guy in the bunch, is least likely to score."

THE issue that rocket-boosted Trump to the front of the pack overnight was immigration. Doc Carson didn't even so much as mention immigration in his book _One Nation_.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man. However, the man who cometh may not be the nice, decent man. Never has worked that way.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2016 02:03 PM (noWW6)

1051 Still love that pic of a ham with glasses next to him.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (mEZce)


https://twitter.com/hamrove

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 01, 2016 02:03 PM (qCMvj)

1052 They said a lot of the same shit about Reagan, too. Possibly more.
---
To the lefties in the media and gope, anyone who doesn't bow to the progressive agenda is bad and anyone who is bad is a nazi. That's all the depth to that charge there ever is.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 01, 2016 02:03 PM (ZbV+0)

1053 And when President Trump sells us down the shithole, I shall be diligent in my nose rubbing. Of course, the true Trumptards will have disappeared by then.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at March 01, 2016 02:03 PM (xWW96)

1054 For all his positive qualities, he just doesn't have the charisma. I wish it were otherwise, but it's not.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (XhSez)

----

Agreed... he's a wonk. My kind of wonk.

But it aint a wonk election this time. Teds time will come.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (8XRCm)

1055 When the Trumpkinheads finally cut down all the GOP trees and let them burn, and the Democrat Devil turns on them, where will they hide.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (p4gju)

1056 Willowed P-51 piece:

We were talking about Jimmy Stewart the other day. It seems he owned a beautifully restored P-51.

Here's the rest of the story . . .

http://bit.ly/1VOXXKt

Posted by: MTF at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (TxJGV)

1057 OT :
any of y'all know how to reheat a brisket?

Posted by: FCF at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (kejii)

1058 CNN out with a poll, Trump loses by 8 points to Hillary, basically a landslide while Cruz and Rubio beat her.


Were they polling their editorial offices?



Detroit & Flint.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (+058L)

1059 The thing is, you can be 100% confident Rubio will stab you in the back, because he already has.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (oVJmc)

1060 I love these two arguments.

Trump is in to ensure Hil wins.

Trump is a narcissist with a huge ego and just in it for Trump.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (kTF2Z)

1061 Carson is surely done for.
There is probably some meaning to that, in the sense that the nicest, most decent guy in the bunch, is least likely to score.

A sad commentary on the state of America.
Posted by: Mike Hammer




I'm not so sure he's the nicest, to me his whole campaign was a con. It took a while for people to figure out.

But if you stop your Presidential campaign so you can do a book tour, you obviously have an ulterior motive.

The man wanted to be a political celebrity.

Posted by: Branson at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (st1SS)

1062 "The only bigger influence, besides Nichole Wallace and Steve Schmidt would be that sage - Eric Ericson."

I'm going to have to wait until Haley Barbour weighs in.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2016 01:54 PM (noWW6)

Erickson's make or break issue is abortion, with other social issues such as preservation of traditional marriage following closely behind.Very much unlike Nichole Wallace and Steve Schmidt, Erickson considers himself faith-driven.

Further, toErickson's credit, he's called the social and cultural aspects of the Progressive 'transformational' prophetically accurately so far. That line--regarding gay marriage but applicable to virtually all other leftistpolicies andprograms--'You will be made to care' came from Erickson.

The guy can be rigid and wrongheaded, especially on those issues outside his purview, but I've never considered him unprincipled--again, very much unlike Wallace and Schmidt.

Posted by: troyriser at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (cCEFD)

1063 I'm seeing lots of 'friends don't let friends vote for Trump' sort of posts on FB, so hopefully the tide is starting to turn. My BIL, however, is still firmly in the Trump camp, but fortunately he doesn't vote until March 15.

I'm saying lots of prayers today that today's voters will exercise wisdom in the voting booth.

Posted by: biancaneve at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (e98eb)

1064 1031 This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: Admiral Painter at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (12kBq)

--------------------

John has a long mustache. The chair is against the wall.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at March 01, 2016 02:05 PM (th7n/)

1065 When/If Fenelon kills Kari..... if he's already a ghost.... what does he become???
Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (8XRCm)

In Illinois he becomes a donktard voter. Forever.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah at March 01, 2016 02:05 PM (WVsWD)

1066 An LAT poll famously predicted that Gray Davis would easily withstand the recall election in CA. Nice try, guys.


Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (oKE6c)

I remember thinking the polls were all wrong in 2012. They had to be oversampling Dems.

They weren't wrong. I was.

Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampsersands at the present time) at March 01, 2016 02:05 PM (u0lmX)

1067 "the best thing that could happen to the left right now is for the country to take a hard right turn"

my sense is that lefties are doing whatever is necessary to whack themselves repeatedly on the head so that they will come November, vote against their consciences for Hillary

those voices saying she's a criminal, vengeful harridan, and an incompetent grifter, must be beaten senseless

their rhetoric is an index of the kind of violence necessary to make them fall in line intellectually

they have to screw themselves up to do the deed somehow

Trump = Hitler is apparently the way

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 02:05 PM (L3GKO)

1068 Considering 90% of Trump's campaign has been him citing polls, when do polls officially no longer mean anything?

Posted by: Branson at March 01, 2016 02:05 PM (st1SS)

1069 Going for 2000???
Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (8XRCm)

I ant 2000 comments

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:05 PM (xuouz)

1070 They said that and worse about Goldwater.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 01:56 PM (oKE6c)

Yes, but Goldwater had a long career during which he demonstrated his respect for the Constitution and the law.

Donald Trump has no such record...in fact his record is quite the opposite.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2016 02:05 PM (Zu3d9)

1071 How about saving the Constitution?If you thought that was worth saving, which candidate do you think would do the best job??

-----------------

Ted Cruz - easy question.

Posted by: SH at March 01, 2016 02:05 PM (gmeXX)

1072 any of y'all know how to reheat a brisket?
Posted by: FCF at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (kejii)

----

Apply heat.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 02:06 PM (8XRCm)

1073
I'll vote for Cruz in the primary today.

If he gets the nom, I'll vote for him.

If Marco "Arafat" Rubio gets the nod, I'll write in Trump. Or vote for Scankles or Grandpa Simpson.

Rubio is Aaron Burr redux - a political animal with no fixed principles and no loyalty to his nation, who will advance and advocate for whatever cause will bring him power. He is exactly the kind of two-faced snake the founding fathers warned against.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 01, 2016 02:06 PM (X6fMO)

1074 Is there anyone who Trump hasn't screwed over?

Well, aside from Trump, of course.



The investors that keep doing business with him?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 02:06 PM (+058L)

1075 It could be the narcotics working on me, but did I just hear Carl Cameron say that Paul Ryan could be the nominee as a result of a brokered convention? Worse, did he say that Ryan thinks so too?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 01, 2016 02:06 PM (8PbKi)

1076 I hope someone drops out tomorrow.
Posted by: votermom
----------------

Carson is surely done for.
There is probably some meaning to that, in the sense that the nicest, most decent guy in the bunch, is least likely to score.

A sad commentary on the state of America.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (9mTYi)


he said he wouldn't drop out while voters are still sending him money

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 01, 2016 02:06 PM (qCMvj)

1077 I don't think Trump is a facist or a racist, I just don't believe he will govern as a conservative, Cruz will in my opinion .

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 01, 2016 02:06 PM (bwBxJ)

1078 Trump is in to ensure Hil wins.

Trump is a narcissist with a huge ego and just in it for Trump.


Interesting.

Posted by: eleven at March 01, 2016 02:06 PM (qUNWi)

1079 1038 The Economist has a picture Trump as Uncle Sam with the headline "Really?"
someone really needs to send Chester Oglethorp IV out to the provinces to see what the deuce is going on what
Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 02:02 PM (L3GKO)



Fuck The Economist. It started out originally as a radical paper, then became reasonable and insightful, and has now returned to its roots. Notice that they haven't said boo! about Sanders; I guess he's middle of the road in their book.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:06 PM (oKE6c)

1080 "any of y'all know how to reheat a brisket?"

low oven, long time, moistened and *covered*

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 02:06 PM (L3GKO)

1081 An LAT poll famously predicted that Gray Davis would easily withstand the recall election in CA. Nice try, guys.


Posted by: Jay Guevara

I remember the polls saying the exact opposite.

Everyone knew Gray Davis was gone.

Posted by: Branson at March 01, 2016 02:07 PM (st1SS)

1082 Considering 90% of Trump's campaign has been him citing polls, when do polls officially no longer mean anything?

After today?

Posted by: eleven at March 01, 2016 02:07 PM (qUNWi)

1083 jay, The Economist is where ivy-graduated scions of academia go to get "real world experience"

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 02:07 PM (L3GKO)

1084 "I bet we could get a hell of a band together using moron musicians. But I haven't seen anyone admit to being a drummer, which is understandable"


We had a good one at the CO momee, me, guy from Flash Cadillac, Piercello came from out of state, good jam.

No drummer, heh.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 02:07 PM (3myMJ)

1085 Even if you think the vanity and preening of the
Establishment/Respectable Upper Middle Class is silly, you cannot avoid
the fact that it is a palpable and real fact on the ground, and it must
be factored into one's considerations. People will not commit a
political act which causes them to lose social face or reduce their own
estimation of their social class, and that is what supporting Donald
Trump represents for this class.
-ACE

Here's the thing Ace. A function of the elite is that it's small. It's kind of a requirement. If everybody was a member of the elite class, well then it wouldn't be elite, and Democracy is a numbers game. That's why you, and them are currently hyperventilating into a brown paper bag, all while screaming at the top of your lungs at us. It really is quiet enjoyable.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 01, 2016 02:07 PM (LtMun)

1086 John has a long mustache. The chair is against the wall.



Snoopy loves his doghouse. The tits are not calm.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 02:08 PM (+058L)

1087 No, we don't know for sure, but I, for one, am pretty fukkin' confident.

Hey I'm not saying it is my preference.

Look at it this way suppose you have cancer.

Cruz is chemo and radiation treatment.
Trump is someone hawking a cure that the medical establishment won't bother to look into.
Rubio is a course of Obamacare pain pills
Hillary is painting your face with radium based makeup and cheap bourbon. Lots of bourbon.
And Bernie is trying to cut the cancer out. With a hemp knife.

Those are the choices at this point...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:08 PM (5LOno)

1088 This election season has been horrible. I hope it ends soon and we can put our focus back on limiting the federal government from the outside.

====

Hah.

Here's your glimpse of the future:
Quite a few ambitious men, and some women, on both sides of the aisle are watching this cycle and taking serious notes about Trump's rapid rise, his rhetoric, his style, his handling of the MSM, and who listens, who reacts.

Most of them think they can do it better. Some of them might.

They're also taking notice of what does *not* work. While there's always room for another party toady like Rubio, being a Cruz is optional. Guess what's being thrown overboard.

Posted by: Bigby's Handbrake at March 01, 2016 02:08 PM (3ZtZW)

1089 Trump hasn't screwed me over.

Posted by: eleven at March 01, 2016 02:08 PM (qUNWi)

1090 ok, I see the mood is particularly snarky today so later!

Posted by: FCF at March 01, 2016 02:08 PM (kejii)

1091 That's why I'm voting for Cruz today.

And I like Trump coming out and saying that Rubio ought to drop out after today since he won't win a single state.

Which is true.

But, Rubio Camp insists they'll win Florida in two weeks--even though he is 20 points behind Trump.

Base on what? The momentum from coming in 2nd and 3rd on Super Tuesday? On not winning a single delegate in Texas? 155 delegates to FL's 99?

Even if--wonders of wonders--Rubio overcomes a 20 deficit and wins FL: He will still be behind Cruz in the delegate count.

Very smart of Trump.

Because coming in second in the delegate count for Cruz forces the GOPe to demand he be placed on the ticket with Trump.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 01, 2016 02:09 PM (fQ/0p)

1092 1072 any of y'all know how to reheat a brisket?
Posted by: FCF at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (kejii)

---------

You had leftovers? That's...that's never happened to me before.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 01, 2016 02:09 PM (kTF2Z)

1093 Trump is going to fuck you up the squeakhole, and best of all, he is going to get YOU to pay him for it.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at March 01, 2016 02:09 PM (xWW96)

1094 I thought Ted would be quitting even before I read the admittedly questionable news (which was on Dallas morning talk radio).

He has no organization past Texas.

He has not campaigned outside of Texas.

I think he's trying to save face. Regardless the outcome of the primary, he's probably not going to stay in the Senate either.

What I didn't think was possible is that he would throw in with Rubio if he did quit. Not sure if reporting that is supposed to help Trump more than Rubio.

Stone was fired from the Trump campaign so it could be his last ditch attempt to twist the knife.

Posted by: Rick Tingles at March 01, 2016 02:09 PM (o29ZM)

1095 Just voted for Cruz in the Texas primary. I was tempted for Trump (who is a horrible candidate, but it's like handing a drunk monkey a pack of matches and getting that party started). But I despise Rubio, and Cruz is my anti-Rubio vote.

Posted by: sunny-dee at March 01, 2016 02:09 PM (QAOZh)

1096 Have a friend that I thought was a lib, but has announced she hates both Bernie and Hillary and fears Trump. Is voting in the VA caucus as a Republican for anyone but Trump, just to stop him.

I should ask her if she is voting Cruz or Rubio...

Posted by: LizLem at March 01, 2016 02:09 PM (hvf9s)

1097 Cruz will in my opinion .

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 01, 2016 02:06 PM (bwBxJ)

Cruz may not win Texas

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 01, 2016 02:09 PM (QPdNE)

1098 The Oligarchy that currently controls most of America came into power in small steady increments. The hope of a sea change is wishful thinking. ANY Rebublican in the presidency would be better for America.

Posted by: phil unis at March 01, 2016 02:09 PM (jOumW)

1099 1033 The only man who can actually defeat Hillary Clinton.

Wishcasting doesn't suit you Ace.

For all his positive qualities, he just doesn't have the charisma. I wish it were otherwise, but it's not.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (XhSez)

********
It's ironic ace asks for people to compromise and vote for Cruz--but I just looked Cruz up and he supposedly was Mr. No Compromise.

Obviously it doesn't work as a President because I don't see him listed in the applePrezzy App.

Posted by: President Kim Kardashian Yeezy typing thru the spacetime continuum at March 01, 2016 02:10 PM (mcm0N)

1100 There is probably some meaning to that, in the sense that the nicest, most decent guy in the bunch, is least likely to score.



A sad commentary on the state of America.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (9mTYi)



A sadder one was Romney losing to Obama. I suspect Romney was the most upright, decent man to run for President in a very long time, perhaps forever. (I know a lot of people didn't like his policies, but I'm speaking of him as a man.)


It was a measure of his decency that the Reds could only come up with the 30 year old dog on the roof story, a high school hair cut, and the "binders of women" shit to smear him with. You could get more dirt on most candidates in their actions before noon on a given day.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:10 PM (oKE6c)

1101 I hate hearing the pundits characterize the conservative voter's mood as "angry". It makes it seem as though somehow we're irrational. I'll go with "disgusted". Enough is enough. We've done it their way, and guess what-EPIC FAIL.

We don't know the meaning of socialism. Oh yeah, how's about failure? They cherrypick some homogeneous very small country that's economically successful and feel that they can apply the same form of government on 320 million people. Let that nation take in 1 million new immigrants a year for four decades then we'll talk.

I don't have a political science degree. I opted for a STEM. Let's see what happens when the lights get hacked. They'll be in the dark like the rest of society wishing that we didn't wreck our fossil fuel infrastructure for some pie-in-the-sky "renewable" energy unicorn.

Posted by: Hadoop at March 01, 2016 02:10 PM (2X7pN)

1102 "fired"

imagine working in Trump's Cabinet

I rather enjoy the idea

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 02:10 PM (L3GKO)

1103 "any of y'all know how to reheat a brisket?"

low oven, long time, moistened and *covered*



Is "reheating brisket" code for Vietnamese hooker?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 02:11 PM (+058L)

1104 In 2012, were the GOP voters this passionate about Mitt and this angry about the GOP? My recollection was most were like Mitt is such a nice guy, a statesman, a gentleman, etc. etc. - fat lot of good that did us.

Posted by: IC at March 01, 2016 02:11 PM (a0IVu)

1105 I hope someone drops out tomorrow.

Posted by: votermom


Carson should be out by sun-up tomorrow

kasich won't drop out until he loses Ohio on the 15th

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 01, 2016 02:11 PM (ZQfW9)

1106 >>> For all his positive qualities, he just doesn't have the charisma. I wish it were otherwise, but it's not.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 01, 2016 02:01 PM (XhSez)

I worry if Cruz get the GOP nom and he loses, the establishment will use that the way they did Goldwater and condemn conservatism for another few decades.

Though they are already doing that so what do we have to lose...

Posted by: LizLem at March 01, 2016 02:12 PM (hvf9s)

1107 Which candidate has best demonstrated a heritage of dedicated postal delivery?

Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2016 02:12 PM (6xtq3)

1108 Trump is going to fuck you up the squeakhole, and best of all, he is going to get YOU to pay him for it.

That, my friends, is the Art of the Deal.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 02:12 PM (oVJmc)

1109 BREAKING: With polls stil open, Super Tuesday called for Putin and Khameini...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 01, 2016 02:12 PM (p4gju)

1110 Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of GOPeism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
Posted by: Walter Sobchak
----------------

I think you misspelled 'pathos'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 01, 2016 02:12 PM (9mTYi)

1111 779 772. *why are Kasich and Carson still here*
Posted by: Whippet at February 29, 2016 11:03 PM (YwQCs)

Person I know working one of the campaigns says it's not a secret that Carson is hanging simply to screw Cruz. Which makes me question my like of the guy, not because he dislikes a competitor, but because apparently he thinks burning other peoples' money is cool when he knows he's not in it. Anecdotal, so the tip's worth what you paid for it.

Kasich already made clear he'll drop when he loses Ohio to Trump.

Posted by: 0302 at March 01, 2016 02:13 PM (wx6iv)

1112 The Economist has a picture Trump as Uncle Sam with the headline "Really?"

someone really needs to send Chester Oglethorp IV out to the provinces to see what the deuce is going on what
Posted by: Feh


They need to clean their own house of folks such as Anjem Choudary.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 01, 2016 02:13 PM (FkBIv)

1113 Is "reheating brisket" code for Vietnamese hooker?

if you yell it in a high-pitched squeaky voice yes

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 02:13 PM (L3GKO)

1114 Trump is toast if he wins after Trump
University, his financial problems,
Mafia ties and his pedophilia become exposed by the MSM.

Posted by: ron noyfb at March 01, 2016 02:13 PM (JJOFi)

1115 I worry if Cruz get the GOP nom and he loses, the establishment will use that the way they did Goldwater and condemn conservatism for another few decades.

------------

They would, but that should not be a reason not to play the game. Especially when the opponent is Hillary.

Posted by: SH at March 01, 2016 02:13 PM (gmeXX)

1116 Trump is going to fuck you up the squeakhole, and best of all, he is going to get YOU to pay him for it.
Posted by: maddogg,



If you are going to come at me, please do so with something OTHER than what your side has done for the last 30 fucking years.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 02:13 PM (+058L)

1117 @997 Meremortal: Never gets old. That and "The Weight"

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 01, 2016 02:13 PM (k8tEg)

1118 My squeakhole is in play?

Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2016 02:13 PM (6xtq3)

1119 And full disclosure:

I voted for Trump in Texas on Friday before the Fort Worth convention.

And last night I put up the Trump sign outside my local polling station.

I'm THAT evil.

Posted by: Rick Tingles at March 01, 2016 02:14 PM (o29ZM)

1120 "The enormous gaggle of mini-Mitts"

^I LOL'd

Posted by: Adrienne at March 01, 2016 02:14 PM (lVcuh)

1121 Something to Ponder.

When/If Fenelon kills Kari..... if he's already a ghost.... what does he become???
Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 02:00 PM (8XRCm)


Fenelon is a cleric. Turn Undead, kari poofs into ghost dust.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 01, 2016 02:14 PM (uURQL)

1122 When Rubio joined the Gang of Eight it wasn't so clear that supporting Amnesty would be a Kiss of Death with the Base.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 01, 2016 01:52 PM (r1fLd)
_______

Given how hard he campaigned against amnesty in 2010, I think its fair to assume that this was very clear to him.

Lets dispell this idea that Marco Rubio didnt know exactly what he was doing...!

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 01, 2016 02:14 PM (zU+xB)

1123 My Twitter feed is eerily quiet today - except for a lot of Tweets reporting that voting machines in Texas are switching votes for Trump to votes for Rubio.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at March 01, 2016 02:14 PM (th7n/)

1124 Can we get the Corgi thread back?

Posted by: votermom at March 01, 2016 02:14 PM (cbfNE)

1125 Sorry, Ace - voted for Rubio today (VA). You made a compelling case, but I think Cruz may unite the party on the road to defeat for the same reasons you criticized him on your podcast before you became a fanboi.

None of my analysis was scientific, but I'm not sure that I can mentally handle another 4-8 years of socialist rule. I'd rather worry about controlling an imperfect president than taking a bigger gamble on losing a winnable election.

That said, I'll be voting for whomever the party settles on. I'm not one of those people.

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 01, 2016 02:14 PM (Vqcn4)

1126 My squeakhole is in play?
___
All of ours are.

And I kind of like it.

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 01, 2016 02:15 PM (5LOno)

1127 They say that every election, from Harding to Romney.


Posted by: JohnJ at March 01, 2016 02:02 PM (TF/YA)



This time shows much more evidence that it is true. Looking back thru history, can you name me a more blatant, textbook example of "Demagogue" than Trump?He is several levels above our president Communist, imo.
Any examples?

Posted by: Mimzey at March 01, 2016 02:15 PM (aRUb8)

1128 Trump is going to fuck you up the squeakhole, and best of all, he is going to get YOU to pay him for it.
Posted by: maddogg,

****

I'm thinking Sales is NOT the career for you.

Posted by: Tim in GA at March 01, 2016 02:15 PM (xWy6i)

1129
Given how hard he campaigned against amnesty in 2010, I think its fair to assume that this was very clear to him.


I'm sure he knew after W's failure with it.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 02:15 PM (oVJmc)

1130 For myself, one of the interesting aspects of this election year is the complete meltdown of NRO.

Take today, for example. When it isn't HATE TRUMP!, and it's mostly that, it's LOVE RUBIO!

Cruz? Who's that?

They don't care that Rubio hasn't won anything outright and is unlikely to do so. They want him, and if they can't have him, they're taking their football and going home.

It's breathtaking to watch.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 01, 2016 02:15 PM (bpn7O)

1131 Went to bed in America.

Woke up with Kaboom.

Posted by: Tomorrows Headline Today at March 01, 2016 02:15 PM (gs8be)

1132 My Twitter feed is eerily quiet today - except for a lot of Tweets reporting that voting machines in Texas are switching votes for Trump to votes for Rubio.
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at March 01, 2016 02:14 PM (th7n/)

----

Shadowbanning.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 02:15 PM (8XRCm)

1133 Trump being Trump, his promises and proposals are not worth considering as serious proposals.

But the speculation of random internet people on what he'll do is.

"Oh he'll secure the border and end illegal immigration, huh? HOW?!"

Dude idk, build a wall and enforce the law? Prosecute companies that hire illegals so that there's no or less economic incentive to be here?

"What about on Obamacare HUH?"

He said he'd open up the insurance market so that companies can compete across state lines and lift the restrictions on what kinds of plans can be offered?

These are insufficient answers? Ladies if a guy proposes and he bought a ring with a fat rock do you fucking quiz him on his income and request a detailed itinerary of the next five years of his life, or do you accept the sincerity of his general thrust? (if you will)

NOW, if he looks like Donald Trump, and you ain't into that. That's a perfectly acceptable answer.

But it's aesthetic. It's your vanity speaking. That's ok. Just admit it.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:16 PM (xuouz)

1134
I hate hearing the pundits characterize the conservative voter's mood as "angry".

They don't seem to have a problem with Black Lives Matter folks being angry.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 01, 2016 02:16 PM (FkBIv)

1135 1118 My squeakhole is in play?
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2016 02:13 PM (6xtq3)

And it's yuuuge and classy.

Posted by: joncelli the Really Fat Police Dog at March 01, 2016 02:16 PM (RD7QR)

1136 None of my analysis was scientific, but I'm not sure that I can mentally handle another 4-8 years of socialist rule
___
Don't worry Amigo. After I amnesty the 20M undocumented workers in America, we will never have to worry about not getting socialist rule.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at March 01, 2016 02:16 PM (5LOno)

1137 if China goes into full scale collapse, it may not matter who's in the White House...

http://www.reuters. com/article/china-economy- layoffs-idUSKCN0W33DX

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 01, 2016 02:16 PM (ISW4H)

1138 I envy all you people who have the ability to vote in the primary.

As with every year, we here in California just sit around impotently and tied to chairs until June, and by the time we get to "vote," the nomination race is inevitably already over and somebody or other already has the race sewn up and everyone else has dropped out.

If I could have voted, I would have voted for Cruz. But frustratingly, I predict Trump will already be the nominee by June.

So I'll vote for Trump in November over Hillary.

Life gave me lemons. So I'm making lemonade.

Posted by: zombie at March 01, 2016 02:16 PM (jBuUi)

1139 Mafia ties and his pedophilia become exposed by the MSM.

That's a feature, not a bug

Posted by: Harry Reid at March 01, 2016 02:16 PM (gb+PB)

1140 I'm not so sure he's the nicest, to me his whole campaign was a con. It took a while for people to figure out.

But if you stop your Presidential campaign so you can do a book tour, you obviously have an ulterior motive.

The man wanted to be a political celebrity.
Posted by: Branson at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (st1SS)


Most candidates do their book tours before the primaries/elections start. To fill coffers. Carson was kind of refueling.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 01, 2016 02:16 PM (qCMvj)

1141 1081 An LAT poll famously predicted that Gray Davis would easily withstand the recall election in CA. Nice try, guys.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
I remember the polls saying the exact opposite.
Everyone knew Gray Davis was gone.
Posted by: Branson at March 01, 2016 02:07 PM (st1SS)




Ah, all the other polls said that. The LAT poll (I think they wobbled on this one a bit, but IIRC it was one rather close to the election, because I remember being alarmed by the possibility they could be right) was the only one who thought that Davis would survive.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:17 PM (oKE6c)

1142 My squeakhole is in play?
Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2016 02:13 PM (6xtq3)


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.... always.

Posted by: BIG ANUS at March 01, 2016 02:17 PM (8XRCm)

1143 I saw Reheated Brisket open for Shades of Purple at the Gasworks in '71.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 01, 2016 02:17 PM (evdj2)

1144
Rubio is Aaron Burr redux - a political animal with no fixed principles and no loyalty to his nation, who will advance and advocate for whatever cause will bring him power. He is exactly the kind of two-faced snake the founding fathers warned against.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 01, 2016 02:06 PM (X6fMO)

The office of the Presidency was designed for ambitious men (and now women). None have been saints although many have been superb human beings. Comparing Rubio to Burr seems a little over-the-top, but when it comes to Trump supporters, Hyperbole Are Us, I guess.

And if I had to guess at the motives of the Founders, I'd guess your man Trump is more what they had in mind when they envisioned a Man On The White Horse strongman dictator type.

Posted by: troyriser at March 01, 2016 02:17 PM (cCEFD)

1145 Sorry, Ace - voted for Rubio today (VA). You made a compelling case, but I think Cruz may unite the party on the road to defeat for the same reasons you criticized him on your podcast before you became a fanboi.
Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 01, 2016 02:14 PM (Vqcn4)

Rubio voter
Called ace a fanboi
Gasfugee

Hey man! Can I interest you in some longbows? Stand over there in front of that barrel-shaped well. No that's not a bear. Don't mind the smell. Ok...

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:17 PM (xuouz)

1146 My daughter wonders what happened to this election cycle, and thinks all the candidates are either idiots, evil or insane. She believes Trump is in fact certifiable.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at March 01, 2016 02:18 PM (DLIpz)

1147 They don't seem to have a problem with Black Lives Matter folks being angry.
***
BLM has killed more people then David Duke...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:18 PM (5LOno)

1148 If Vegas has a line on the Oscar and I'm sure they do...

Put your money on black peeps next year.

Posted by: eleven at March 01, 2016 02:18 PM (qUNWi)

1149 Ok. Let the GOP die. May a better and less stupid party arise in its place.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 01, 2016 02:18 PM (NUqwG)

1150 All your squeakhole are belong to us.

Posted by: Trumpeteers at March 01, 2016 02:18 PM (QM5S2)

1151 Is tomorrow when the acceptance phase that we're stuck with Trump sets in?

Posted by: brak at March 01, 2016 02:19 PM (MJuTN)

1152 My Twitter feed is eerily quiet today - except for a
lot of Tweets reporting that voting machines in Texas are switching
votes for Trump to votes for Rubio.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at March 01, 2016 02:14 PM


Dunno if this is true -- and I hope it isn't -- but it's hardly surprising in the home of Landslide Lyndon.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 01, 2016 02:19 PM (D+xyy)

1153 Trump said my squeakhole was low energy...

Posted by: Jub! at March 01, 2016 02:19 PM (aQQbl)

1154 @1138, Zombie..hah. was just thinking the same thing this morning. The only bright spot is all the dems in my office are not voting for Hillary come hell or high water. (or so they say).

Posted by: IC at March 01, 2016 02:19 PM (a0IVu)

1155 >>> Trump is toast if he wins after Trump
University, his financial problems,
Mafia ties and his pedophilia become exposed by the MSM. Posted by: ron noyfb at March 01, 2016 02:13 PM (JJOFi)

Trump will hit Hillary's scandals just as hard should this happen. I think. I would hope. After how Mitt wussed out in the general though I no longer am sure about anything.

Posted by: LizLem at March 01, 2016 02:19 PM (hvf9s)

1156 Dork. Dork you in the squeakhole.

Sheesh, it's like I don't even know you degenerates anymore.

A sadder one was Romney losing to Obama. I suspect Romney was the most upright, decent man to run for President in a very long time, perhaps forever. (I know a lot of people didn't like his policies, but I'm speaking of him as a man.)


It was a measure of his decency that the Reds could only come up with the 30 year old dog on the roof story, a high school hair cut, and the "binders of women" shit to smear him with. You could get more dirt on most candidates in their actions before noon on a given day.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:10 PM (oKE6c)


Yup. I had (and have) significant issues with Romney as a politician. As a person? All evidence is that he is actually a good and decent man.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 01, 2016 02:19 PM (mf5HN)

1157 "We're all muslims deep down" says Boston police commissioner at a mosque that has produced 6 terrorists.

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/228025/

Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:19 PM (B48dK)

1158
Trump is going to fuck you up the squeakhole, and best of all, he is going to get YOU to pay him for it.

So, it's basically like marriage, then.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 01, 2016 02:19 PM (X6fMO)

1159 Posted by: zombie at March 01, 2016 02:16 PM (jBuUi)


It's crazy, isn't it? A whole boatload is little diddly insignificant states have wildly disproportionate influence in choosing nominees, while the largest state in the Union has none.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:19 PM (oKE6c)

1160 Is tomorrow when the acceptance phase that we're stuck with Trump sets in?

Not before the epic, epic tantrums and lamentations of the womyn.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 02:20 PM (oVJmc)

1161 Rubio is Aaron Burr redux
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 01, 2016 02:06 PM (X6fMO)

DUDE! Marco Rubio fucking shot Alexander Hamilton. Did you know that?

That is fucking radical bro, imagine if dueling were a thing. Haha yeah, right? Fucking fascist racist founding father had it coming.

Posted by: Some liberal douche at March 01, 2016 02:20 PM (xuouz)

1162 My daughter wonders what happened to this election cycle, and thinks all the candidates are either idiots, evil or insane. She believes Trump is in fact certifiable.

-----------

Cheer up. The country's loss may have been WI's gain. News today say his reforms are working. At the end of the day, our country's problems will be solved from the bottom up - one state at a time.

Posted by: SH at March 01, 2016 02:20 PM (gmeXX)

1163 I shall guard my squeakhole with steel underwear.

Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:20 PM (B48dK)

1164 @997 Meremortal: Never gets old. That and "The Weight"

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 01, 2016 02:13 PM (k8tEg

This act is also doing Shape I'm In and Ophelia. Plus, plenty of Allman Bros.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 02:20 PM (3myMJ)

1165 And if I had to guess at the motives of the Founders, I'd guess your man Trump is more what they had in mind when they envisioned a Man On The White Horse strongman dictator type.
***
Only because they couldn't fathom Obama. I'm still a bit mystified that as a country we voted, knowingly in 2012, for failure and misery.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:20 PM (5LOno)

1166 Internet rumors are true at least 10% of the time.

Posted by: eleven at March 01, 2016 02:20 PM (qUNWi)

1167 "Fuck The Economist. It started out originally as a radical paper, then
became reasonable and insightful, and has now returned to its roots."

I was at the library and they had an article noting how Obamacare hasn't worked out quite as intended.

I managed to restrain myself from shattering the quiet sanctity of the reading room by screaming "YOU EDITORIALLY ENDORSED OBAMACARE IN THE FIRST PLACE, YOU MINCING BRIT TWATWAFFLES!!!"

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2016 02:21 PM (noWW6)

Posted by: IP at March 01, 2016 02:21 PM (aQQbl)

1169 Madden said, "I'm prepared to write somebody in so that I have a clear conscience."

Wow, I didn't know that Madden was a political as well as football commentator.

Posted by: LIV at March 01, 2016 02:21 PM (8TdcF)

1170 If Cruz wins the nominations, RINOs will still vote for Hillary. So this is argument is total bullshit.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 01, 2016 02:21 PM (0LHZx)

1171 1130 For myself, one of the interesting aspects of this election year is the complete meltdown of NRO.

It's breathtaking to watch.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 01, 2016 02:15 PM (bpn7O)

-------------------------

Indeed it is. But, somewhat understandable if you consider their motivation. No dead-tree publication can survive today from subscriptions alone. Instead they survive on donations. They are simply no different than any other politician - they are pandering to their donors.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at March 01, 2016 02:21 PM (th7n/)

1172 Stand over there in front of that barrel-shaped well. No that's not a bear. Don't mind the smell. Ok...

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:17 PM


Surprised he left Tepid Air. After all, Poppin' Fresh came out for His Boy in the primaries.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 01, 2016 02:21 PM (D+xyy)

1173 1141 1081 An LAT poll famously predicted that Gray Davis would easily withstand the recall election in CA. Nice try, guys.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
I remember the polls saying the exact opposite.
Everyone knew Gray Davis was gone.
Posted by: Branson at March 01, 2016 02:07 PM (st1SS)



Ah, all the other polls said that. The LAT poll (I think they wobbled on this one a bit, but IIRC it was one rather close to the election, because I remember being alarmed by the possibility they could be right) was the only one who thought that Davis would survive.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:17 PM (oKE6c)

===========
Nope, Jay is correct. It was a big scandal and other polling companies formally complained about LAT tactics. They make money off of these polls by selling to other media outlets and LAT was making shite up.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 01, 2016 02:21 PM (iQIUe)

1174 1119 And full disclosure:

I voted for Trump in Texas on Friday before the Fort Worth convention.

And last night I put up the Trump sign outside my local polling station.

I'm THAT evil.
Posted by: Rick Tingles at March 01, 2016 02:14 PM (o29ZM)

Do you not like the representation of Cruz of you as a constituent ?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 01, 2016 02:22 PM (UGLi1)

1175 Perhaps the exact opposite is true about Cruz -- that he's nobody's favorite, so nobody will vote for him. See: Romney, 2012.

My sister, the country club Republican, would vote for Hillary before Cruz; she thinks Cruz is too Jesus-y and condescending sounding.

Of course she lives in NJ, so it's not like her vote matters anyway.

Posted by: the other coyote at March 01, 2016 02:22 PM (yK44T)

1176 Here's your glimpse of the future:

Quite a few ambitious men, and some women, on both sides of the
aisle are watching this cycle and taking serious notes about Trump's
rapid rise, his rhetoric, his style, his handling of the MSM, and who
listens, who reacts.



Most of them think they can do it better. Some of them might.
---
This is pretty much my only source of hope.

There's a good chance Trump's lying to me, as his critics suggest. Rubbing the gope's nose in what it has done and failed to d is still worth voting for him.

But in the long run, if he goes native in DC, we'll need someone to do what he's done campaigning *and mean it* in order to replace him.

Alternatively he might surprise us all and turn out to be running the stealth conservative campaign ace wrote about a while back.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 01, 2016 02:22 PM (ZbV+0)

1177 Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 01, 2016 02:14 PM (Vqcn4)

So you went GOPe?

That'll show the Constitution how irrelevant it is!! Embrace the suck....we need to "progress" past the musty old piece of paper anyway!

Posted by: George Washington at March 01, 2016 02:22 PM (aRUb8)

1178 1166 Internet rumors are true at least 10% of the time.
Posted by: eleven at March 01, 2016 02:20 PM (qUNWi)

__

Actually I read online that it's more like 75%.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 01, 2016 02:22 PM (0LHZx)

1179
if China goes into full scale collapse, it may not matter who's in the White House...

http://www.reuters. com/article/china-economy- layoffs-idUSKCN0W33DX
Posted by: redc1c4


And with Europe officially entering a period of deflation...

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 01, 2016 02:22 PM (FkBIv)

1180 Hey man! Can I interest you in some longbows? Stand over there in front of that barrel-shaped well. No that's not a bear. Don't mind the smell. Ok...
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:17 PM (xuouz)

https://49.media.tumblr.com/2ee9f842c285c81b0f0c1878a7e0e5ab/tumblr_n6po3adSH61r79f8xo1_250.gif

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 01, 2016 02:23 PM (Vqcn4)

1181 Not sure I'm happy with this squeakhole development. No sir, not happy with it at all.

Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2016 02:23 PM (6xtq3)

1182 They don't seem to have a problem with Black Lives Matter folks being angry.

=================

Well, they get space to burn down their own neighborhood to provide the catharsis necessary to heal the community.

Posted by: Hadoop at March 01, 2016 02:23 PM (2X7pN)

1183 "We're all muslims deep down" says Boston police commissioner at a mosque that has produced 6 terrorists.
---
Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority

Posted by: The Koran at March 01, 2016 02:23 PM (5LOno)

1184
Sheesh! This thread is like the Calais Jungle - crowded and fetid. Bring on the french bulldozers!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 01, 2016 02:23 PM (iQIUe)

1185 Is tomorrow when the acceptance phase that we're stuck with Trump sets in?
Not before the epic, epic tantrums and lamentations of the womyn.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 02:20 PM (oVJmc)

Various of our brethren here are caught between bargaining and depression. Ace flirted with acceptance but did an about face and is camped out in the bargaining room.

Acceptance will come when Trump releases some policy papers between now and the 15th and gooses some media members while taking shots at Hillary.

And, if my prayers have any weight with the almighty, hiring a vocal coach who will teach him how to speak in complete fucking sentences.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:23 PM (xuouz)

1186 These RINO fucks make it a binary choice

a) Trump the tascist

b) Hillary the reasonable/centrist candidate

Believing that Hillary will be anything less than Obama on steroids, shredding the constitution on a daily basis, shows how out of touch with reality these people are.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 01, 2016 02:23 PM (0LHZx)

1187 in June i'll be voting for Bernie...

in November, it'll be Trump.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 01, 2016 02:23 PM (ISW4H)

1188 Nope, Jay is correct. It was a big scandal and other
polling companies formally complained about LAT tactics. They make
money off of these polls by selling to other media outlets and LAT was
making shite up.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 01, 2016 02:21 PM (iQIUe)

Thanks. I was wondering if I'd misremembered events.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:24 PM (oKE6c)

1189 Ghost of Kari at 1133: "But it's aesthetic. It's your vanity speaking. That's ok. Just admit it."

Yep, the only possible complaint about Donald Fire-Doesn't-Melt-Steel Trump, after he went full-bore Cindy Sheehan in one debate and then defended the baby butchers of Planned Parenthood in another, is the bad aesthetics of his foppish comb-over and little nubby fingers.

Nailed it.

Posted by: Pastafarian at March 01, 2016 02:24 PM (LqrRo)

1190 Hyperbole Are Us, I guess.

And if I had to guess at the motives of the Founders, I'd guess your man Trump is more what they had in mind when they envisioned a Man On The White Horse strongman dictator type.


Posted by: troyriser at March 01, 2016 02:17 PM (cCEFD)


Wow... are people even paying attention to what they are writing anymore?

Posted by: Don Q at March 01, 2016 02:24 PM (RK8AH)

1191 My Twitter feed is eerily quiet today - except for a lot of Tweets reporting that voting machines in Texas are switching votes for Trump to votes for Rubio.
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at March 01, 2016 02:14 PM (th7n/)
----
Shadowbanning.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 02:15 PM (8XRCm)


If the #whichhillary and #whichhillarycensored scandal is to be believed, this is by design, silence the left AND the right.

Love these. The #WhichHillary icon is better than her real logo!

https://pbs.tw___.com/media/CcJQwKpVAAAEfT8.jpg
http://images.dailykos.com/images/216082/large/Which_Hillary.png?1456618011

Posted by: LizLem at March 01, 2016 02:24 PM (hvf9s)

1192 Don't worry Amigo. After I amnesty the 20M undocumented workers in America, we will never have to worry about not getting socialist rule.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at March 01, 2016 02:16 PM (5LOno)

Cool, all I need is another 4-8 years to wrap things up here.

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 01, 2016 02:24 PM (Vqcn4)

1193 Ah, all the other polls said that. The LAT poll (I think they wobbled on this one a bit, but IIRC it was one rather close to the election, because I remember being alarmed by the possibility they could be right) was the only one who thought that Davis would survive.
Posted by: Jay Guevara



Here's the thing about polls, they are of course not always right and some even have ulterior motives.

But usually reputable polling outfits get closer than "my best friend's cousin" type anecdotes in seeing where an election is moving.

For the last 2 elections, RealClearPolitics called around 49 out of 50 states correctly by simply averaging the polls before an election. that's pretty damn accurate.

If all the polls show Trump doing poorly against Hillary, I'm not going to ignore the polls because my own anecdotal evidence and common sense line up with what the polls are saying.

So if the polls are saying Hillary trounces Trump but loses to Cruz and Rubio. only a fool would ignore that.

Posted by: Branson at March 01, 2016 02:24 PM (st1SS)

1194 On a positive note,we live in interesting times.

Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:24 PM (B48dK)

1195 Good quote 18-1. Worth remembering.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:24 PM (xuouz)

1196 Only because they couldn't fathom Obama. I'm still a bit mystified that as a country we voted, knowingly in 2012, for failure and misery.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:20 PM (5LOno)


The Founders certainly considered a Barky type. That's precisely why they put the "natural born citizen" requirement in.

Granted, they never considered the possibility of anyone as dumb as Barky, but guarding against possible foreign influence was foremost on their minds.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 01, 2016 02:25 PM (zc3Db)

1197 I shall guard my squeakhole with steel underwear.

===

Use Mormon magnetic underwear.

Posted by: Bigby's Handbrake at March 01, 2016 02:25 PM (3ZtZW)

1198 Posted by: SH at March 01, 2016 02:20 PM (gmeXX)



Yeah, I never wanted Walker to run in the first place. I thought he"d make a poor campaigner. He comes across as a State Farm agent. Better here at home.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at March 01, 2016 02:25 PM (DLIpz)

1199 My daughter wonders what happened to this election cycle

8 years of Obama and quadruple that in illegal aliens invading this country.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 01, 2016 02:25 PM (uURQL)

1200 Internet rumors are true at least 10% of the time.
Posted by: eleven at March 01, 2016 02:20 PM (qUNWi)

__

Actually I read online that it's more like 75%.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo



67.43%

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 02:25 PM (+058L)

1201 By the time of my state's primary (NY) the nominee will be a foregone conclusion anyway.

At the least, I won't have to do the soul-searching that many of you have to do. Still, it would be nice for my primary vote to count for once.


Just got some great news. Out of the blue, this morning my Jeep started making these horrific clanking, clunking, dragging noises. I feared the worst. Turns out, the muffler's heat shield had fallen onto the drive shaft. My mechanic fixed it in 5 minutes, NO CHARGE. Whew! Double whew!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 01, 2016 02:25 PM (HMt16)

1202 "It was a measure of his decency that the Reds could only come up with the 30 year old dog on the roof story"

And there's the rub. Too decent.

Don Trump in the same position would have shouted at the top of his lungs about how the Indonesian infiltrator in the White House had EATEN A DOG, and was so unconcerned about having done so that he PUT IT IN HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY that had been GHOSTWRITTEN BY A DOMESTIC TERRORIST.

The Mittbot got attacked over and over and never counterattacked.

That won't work on The Donald, whatever else one may say or think of the man. He basically just has attack mode. He's in it all the time. The attacks he launches may not be substantive. They may just be schoolyard taunts. But they're attacks and they flow constantly.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2016 02:26 PM (noWW6)

1203 I shall guard my squeakhole with steel underwear.

----

Homophobe.

What are you afraid of???

You might like it.

Posted by: BIG ANUS at March 01, 2016 02:26 PM (8XRCm)

1204 i'd riff on what that idiot cop said, but i don't feel like getting banned.

;-)

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 01, 2016 02:26 PM (ISW4H)

1205 *wanders in*

https://youtu.be/-EL05alymtI


*wanders out*

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 01, 2016 02:26 PM (mf5HN)

1206 8 years of Obama and quadruple that in illegal aliens invading this country.
***
Without the immigration "reforms" of 1964 and 1986 Cruz would currently be the moderate choice...if not left of center.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:26 PM (5LOno)

1207 If Cruz wins the nominations, RINOs will still vote for Hillary. So this is argument is total bullshit

====

Correct. They view him as 'religious right' not 'constitutionalist'.

Posted by: Bigby's Handbrake at March 01, 2016 02:26 PM (3ZtZW)

1208 The "conservative movement" is breathing its last.

If Trump is the nominee, expect the GOP to lose control of the Senate, even if he wins. Or maybe, Hillary will win.

Either way, the next Supreme Court Justice will be named by a committed leftist or a crypto-leftist who is catering to a Democrat Senate.

I hope you all are proud of yourselves.

Posted by: DriveBy at March 01, 2016 02:27 PM (C9Vc8)

1209 There's a good chance Trump's lying to me, as his
critics suggest. Rubbing the gope's nose in what it has done and failed
to d is still worth voting for him.



Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 01, 2016 02:22 PM (ZbV+0)


And there you have it. It's worth handing the country over to lefty communists just to "Rub their noses in it!" So deep....so strategically intelligent.
Sorry...that's just my opinion...others may feeeel differently.

Posted by: George Washington at March 01, 2016 02:27 PM (aRUb8)

1210 The Mittbot got attacked over and over and never counterattacked.
___
Hey I ripped Newt and Santorum a new on didn't I?

Posted by: Mitt Romneycare at March 01, 2016 02:27 PM (5LOno)

1211 1187 in June i'll be voting for Bernie...

in November, it'll be Trump.
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 01, 2016 02:23 PM (ISW4H)

********

Wow--Yeezy just said--"that guy is wack!"

Oh your name is RED c1c4.

Posted by: President Kim Kardashian Yeezy typing thru the spacetime continuum at March 01, 2016 02:27 PM (mcm0N)

1212 Ah, all the other polls said that. The LAT poll (I
think they wobbled on this one a bit, but IIRC it was one rather close
to the election, because I remember being alarmed by the possibility
they could be right) was the only one who thought that Davis would
survive.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:17 PM (oKE6c)



===========

Nope, Jay is correct. It was a big scandal and other polling
companies formally complained about LAT tactics. They make money off of
these polls by selling to other media outlets and LAT was making shite
up.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 01, 2016 02:21 PM (iQIUe)


Postscript: who was responsible for there even being a recall election?
Darrell Issa.

Schwarzenegger upstaged Issa's candidacy to replace Davis, but Issa is the one who started the recall petition, and saw it through to being put on the ballot.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:28 PM (oKE6c)

1213
To fight against homosexuality, the doge ordered the prostitutes to display their wares on the Ponte delle Tettes (Bridge of Tittys).

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 01, 2016 02:28 PM (iQIUe)

1214 They cherrypick some homogeneous very small country that's economically
successful and feel that they can apply the same form of government on
320 million people.
---
So politics came up in LotRo World chat last night and two interesting things happened.
1) I said government was little more than a parasite, and no one argued against the point.

2) Someone else tried to push the idea of Norway being an example of socialism done right and a player from Norway jumped down his throat for claiming what they do is representative of the madness the democras want here.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 01, 2016 02:28 PM (ZbV+0)

1215 my squeekhole is self protecting...

just take one look at the missing porcelain in the bowl, and know it's only a couple of years old. guess what's eating it away?

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 01, 2016 02:28 PM (ISW4H)

1216 1205 She has some set of legs.

Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:28 PM (B48dK)

1217 Red

Didn't know True Con meant con people into communism...

Posted by: President Kim Kardashian Yeezy typing thru the spacetime continuum at March 01, 2016 02:29 PM (mcm0N)

1218 There's a good chance Trump's lying to me, as his
critics suggest. Rubbing the gope's nose in what it has done and failed
to d is still worth voting for him.


Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 01, 2016 02:22 PM


Strange thing is, nobody in the I-Love-Rafael Gang seems to think he is lying to them and will turn into just another slimeball political hack if they get him elected.

That's what I happen to think will happen. He has shown an uncanny ability to be away from his job when some of the Big Issues come along -- nukes/money for Iran, the Loretta Lynch confirmation, for example -- and goes along with ChoomTrade (before whining that Teh Bitch hoodwinked him), but he gets a free pass when that happens.

I see as much or more likelihood that Rafael is in this only for Rafael as I do that Trump is in it only for Trump.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 01, 2016 02:29 PM (D+xyy)

1219 1203
I shall guard my squeakhole with steel underwear.



----



Homophobe.



What are you afraid of???



You might like it.

Posted by: BIG ANUS at March 01, 2016 02:26 PM (8XRCm)
====
You might like it and it may even pay!

Posted by: BIG CORPORATE ANUS at March 01, 2016 02:29 PM (aRUb8)

1220 And there you have it. It's worth handing the country over to lefty communists just to "Rub their noses in it!" So deep....so strategically intelligent.
Sorry...that's just my opinion...others may feeeel differently.
***
Presuming we can't have Cruz, the other choices are all lefty communists in practice anyway.

At this point there is no difference between a Hillary and a Rubio, except for which donors get paid off before the collapse.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:29 PM (5LOno)

1221 Ace running up the comment count to rub it in on Hot Air.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 02:29 PM (3myMJ)

1222 Yep, the only possible complaint about Donald Fire-Doesn't-Melt-Steel Trump, after he went full-bore Cindy Sheehan in one debate and then defended the baby butchers of Planned Parenthood in another, is the bad aesthetics of his foppish comb-over and little nubby fingers.

Nailed it.
Posted by: Pastafarian at March 01, 2016 02:24 PM (LqrRo)

Thomas Sowell's three questions:

-As compared to what?
-At what cost?
-What hard evidence do you have?

Being anti-ISIS yet not wanting to get involved in protracted wars in the middle east is a perfectly conservative position. Let's slash and burn and then hop VTOLs and peace. Fuck maintaining the electrical grid and hauling trash in Mosul.

Being anti-abortion yet paying lip service to the "women's health" side of PP is a smart way to thread the needle on this hot-button liberal issue in a way that will appeal to many democrats.

You cannot look past his (admittedly fucking atrocious) disjointed delivery and rambling speaking style.

And that's what I mean by aesthetic.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:29 PM (xuouz)

1223 Trump is the only non-Hillary candidate that has a shot. Will he definitely win? No, I think Hillary will win no matter what. But Trump will be the only one with a greater than 0 chance of winning.

I'd love to see Ted Cruz as prezzie, but let's face it, he's been destroyed by the MSM, the left and the right over the past 3-4 years. You don't recover from that.

Now, Trump has been beaten up as well. But Trump is the kind of guy who you can call an asshole 100 times and people still look at him and think, yeah he's an asshole but I like what he's selling me.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 01, 2016 02:29 PM (0LHZx)

1224
The office of the Presidency was designed for ambitious men (and now women). None have been saints although many have been superb human beings. Comparing Rubio to Burr seems a little over-the-top, but when it comes to Trump supporters, Hyperbole Are Us, I guess.


So "ambition" now has been defined down to "so what if he tells gringos he'll secure the border and tells amigos it's party time? He's so dreamy!"

Fine. He's not Burr. He's Franklin Pierce, who'll agree with whatever he thinks your position is. Weathervane Marco.



And if I had to guess at the motives of the Founders, I'd guess your man Trump is more what they had in mind when they envisioned a Man On The White Horse strongman dictator type.


I don't doubt it. But as I said earlier, the constitutional republic is dead, and considering that over 50% of the current population are ignorant parasites who would happily repeal the entire bill of rights for more government cheese, a dictator is now inevitable. The only question is, will the dictator punish me or will he punish my enemies. I know Hillary and Sanders will punish me. I know Rubio will barely have finished his inaugural address before rushing down to the border with teddy bears and green cards. I don't know what Trump will do, but, if he's the nominee, I'm willing to take my chances.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 01, 2016 02:30 PM (X6fMO)

1225 to ensure an HRC presidency. ... : Trippy64

Somewhere in the 1st 63 trips you should've quit.

Posted by: DaveA at March 01, 2016 02:30 PM (DL2i+)

1226 ♳ Sun come up Sun go down.

Alex wander in and Alex wander out...

Posted by: eleven at March 01, 2016 02:30 PM (qUNWi)

1227 This short video interview of Alan Greenspan is one every conventionally thinking voter hold see (since Greenspan is held in high esteem by many of those voters), particularly those deluded fools who vote GOPe or, God forbid, Democrat.

Dodd-Frank: FAIL
Economic growth: FAIL
Too big to fail reform: FAIL
Entitlement reform: FAIL


http://bloom.bg/1QkSrO6

Posted by: MTF at March 01, 2016 02:30 PM (TxJGV)

1228 And there's the rub. Too decent.

Don Trump in
the same position would have shouted at the top of his lungs about how
the Indonesian infiltrator in the White House had EATEN A DOG, and was
so unconcerned about having done so that he PUT IT IN HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY
that had been GHOSTWRITTEN BY A DOMESTIC TERRORIST.

The Mittbot got attacked over and over and never counterattacked.

That
won't work on The Donald, whatever else one may say or think of the
man. He basically just has attack mode. He's in it all the time. The
attacks he launches may not be substantive. They may just be schoolyard
taunts. But they're attacks and they flow constantly.


Posted by: torquewrench at March 01, 2016 02:26 PM (noWW6)


Yep. I have fantasies of Candy "Fat Ass" Crowley pulling the same shit on Trump that she did on Romney. Can you imagine Trump's reaction if Obongo had yelled, "Check the transcripts!" to Crowley, and then she just happened to have them to hand and pulled them out?? That would've been a Youtube moment to savor.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:30 PM (oKE6c)

1229 Well,the next Star Wars is going homo so we have that going for us.

Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:30 PM (B48dK)

1230 Ace running up the comment count to rub it in on Hot Air.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 02:29 PM (3myMJ)



There's an ace and Allah going to see Brokeback Mountain together joke in there somewhere.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 01, 2016 02:31 PM (mf5HN)

1231 Ace picked Cruz the same way he picked the '87 Dodge station wagon with the wood grain sides he drives...

Cruz beats all the others on paper, just like the Family Truckster had 4" more hip room than competing models.

But no one is going to buy it.

People don't care about the facts and statistics except the detail nerds that follow political websites.

The vast majority of people vote for (and buy) what's new and exciting. What they like.

Let's put Mr. Hiproom on the supreme court after a landslide election.

Posted by: jwest at March 01, 2016 02:31 PM (Zs4uk)

1232 1221 Ace running up the comment count to rub it in on Hot Air.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 02:29 PM (3myMJ)

It's like they wanted the web site to go tits up... no offense to tits.

Posted by: cajun caret at March 01, 2016 02:31 PM (QfUjv)

1233 Ghost of Kari at 1185: "Ace flirted with acceptance..."

I don't think he ever actually did. I think it was a ruse on his part, he was hoping to lure a number of Trump supporters over to Cruz, by pointing out how Cruz is the true anti-establishment candidate, and so on. He even tried to appeal to the populist reverse-snobbery that's been stinking up the threads lately.

A dude who learned French in his spare time, on a lark, took aim at the intelligentsia and sided with the Trumpenproletariat. Uh huh. Whatevs. He repeatedly criticized, and threatened with banning, anyone who questioned the intelligence of conservatives supporting the most obvious stalking-horse liberal candidate since...ever.

Not because he thought you weren't foolish; but because he thought he'd catch more flies with honey. And I think this was precisely the wrong tactic. We should have let loose with mockery and derision, before the media and the left were able to orchestrate their Brawndo preference cascade.

Posted by: Pastafarian at March 01, 2016 02:31 PM (LqrRo)

1234 And, if my prayers have any weight with the almighty, hiring a vocal coach who will teach him how to speak in complete fucking sentences.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:23 PM (xuouz)

So is a fucking sentence one of those things the pickup artist types do?

Posted by: joncelli the Really Fat Police Dog at March 01, 2016 02:32 PM (RD7QR)

1235 Cruz IS too jesusy and unpleasant to listen to and look at; he's got nothing up on Hillary on that score anyway.

I don't think he can win. I don't think that at all. I'm not sure I want him to.
I don't think Rubio can win either and I'm very sure I don't want *him* to. In fact, I think this election cycle we are completely screwed unless some semi-palatable third party candidate appears which one won't.



Trump CAN win, that's why I didn't vote for him either.

There's just no hope. No hope at all.

Posted by: SarahW at March 01, 2016 02:32 PM (3fTXW)

1236 Yeah, I never wanted Walker to run in the first place. I thought he"d make a poor campaigner. He comes across as a State Farm agent. Better here at home.
Posted by: grammie winger


that's funny

I agree, I liked Walker a lot, but I knew a leader like that was from a bygone era and would never fly today.

Posted by: Branson at March 01, 2016 02:32 PM (st1SS)

1237 Well,the next Star Wars is going homo so we have that going for us.>>>

Shooting the exhaust port is going to have a whole new meaning.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 01, 2016 02:32 PM (XtAzU)

1238 Amen Ace!!!

Posted by: Talon at March 01, 2016 02:32 PM (7pVXE)

1239 Posted by: President Kim Kardashian Yeezy typing thru the spacetime continuum at March 01, 2016 02:27 PM (mcm0N)


no, you silly bint: i live in #Failifornia, where we don't primary until June.

by then Trump should have the GOP locked up. if not, i'll vote for him then too.

if he does, i'll vote for Bernie, just to piss off Shrillery when she loses the state.

i believe Trump has a chance here in November, but neither Cruz nor Rubio would.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 01, 2016 02:32 PM (ISW4H)

1240 I see as much or more likelihood that Rafael is in this only for Rafael as I do that Trump is in it only for Trump.


Posted by: MrScribbler at March 01, 2016 02:29 PM (D+xyy)



....and Rubio? What is his history..knowledge and adherence to the principles of this Republic, and commitment to the Constitution?

Posted by: Marco Lightweight Conman at March 01, 2016 02:33 PM (aRUb8)

1241 #1222 Being anti-abortion yet paying lip service to the "women's health" side of PP is a smart way to thread the needle on this hot-button liberal issue in a way that will appeal to many democrats.


I'm going to agree with you on that one, unpopular as this view is.

Trump has a lot to teach the GOPe about winning over independents, but they'll never listen.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 01, 2016 02:33 PM (HMt16)

1242 Meanwhile, over on Twitter:

Cruzers: Cruz will win Texas

Rubiots: So?


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 01, 2016 02:33 PM (8PbKi)

1243 You're gonna need a bigger squeakhole.

Posted by: Martin Brody at March 01, 2016 02:33 PM (FkBIv)

1244 1058--- CNN out with a poll, Trump loses by 8 points to Hillary, basically a landslide while Cruz and Rubio beat her.
Were they polling their editorial offices?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 02:04 PM (+058L)
--------------------
I dunno --- but the rolling averages on RCP show the same thing.

Cruz and Rubio don't have the high negatives that Hillary has. (Trump, as you know, has even higher negatives than the Witch.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 01, 2016 02:33 PM (T/5A0)

1245 C3po was homo so we been there done that.

Posted by: eleven at March 01, 2016 02:33 PM (qUNWi)

1246 Well,the next Star Wars is going homo so we have that going for us.
Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:30 PM (B48dK)

-----

.... awesome. gives new meaning to "death star".

Posted by: BIG ANUS at March 01, 2016 02:33 PM (8XRCm)

1247 Well,the next Star Wars is going homo so we have that going for us.
___
Please let it be Daisy Ridley...please...

Posted by: Some SW Fan at March 01, 2016 02:33 PM (5LOno)

1248 Posted by: Byebyecruz at March 01, 2016 01:42 AM (jbtzZ)

This guy is funny. *snicker

Posted by: gapoz at March 01, 2016 02:34 PM (thyJJ)

1249 I always love it when the crowd who just couldn't vote for Romney because of they're conservative principles ended up giving us 8 years of Obama due to inaction or actually voting for the guy.
During those 8 years they, the conservatives advanced Obama's progressive agenda across the board and in total while at the same time making conservatism nearly an irrelevant word.

By the time the same people put Hillary in office for 8 years, conservatism will be banned from the english language and frankly, by that time, it should.

Posted by: Drider at March 01, 2016 02:34 PM (bdzyz)

1250 >>You cannot look past his (admittedly fucking atrocious) disjointed delivery and rambling speaking style.

>>And that's what I mean by aesthetic.

It's a lot more than aesthetic and you know it or at least you should hanging here. You've certainly heard it enough.

If you want to support a liberal democrat who is pretending to be a Republican, forget conservative, have at it. But don't tell those of us who actually know his background that we are only against Trump because we oppose his delivery and style.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 01, 2016 02:34 PM (/tuJf)

1251 And there you have it. It's worth handing the country over to lefty communists just to "Rub their noses in it!" So deep....so strategically intelligent.
Sorry...that's just my opinion...others may feeeel differently.
***
Presuming we can't have Cruz, the other choices are all lefty communists in practice anyway.

At this point there is no difference between a Hillary and a Rubio, except for which donors get paid off before the collapse.



If every other person besides Cruz are lefty commies, how does one man turn the tide?
Fuck it. Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 02:34 PM (+058L)

1252 I damn thee, Squeakhole Pirates!

Posted by: Weasel at March 01, 2016 02:34 PM (6xtq3)

1253 ooo.... off butthole sock

Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 02:34 PM (8XRCm)

1254 1245 Yeah but he had no genitals or a squeakhole.

Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:34 PM (B48dK)

1255 He has a face you want to punch after 3 minutes, unfortunately.

Posted by: Fnord73 at March 01, 2016 02:35 PM (ZgRru)

1256 1231 Ace picked Cruz the same way he picked the '87 Dodge station wagon with the wood grain sides he drives...

--

Heh.I was gonna say that ace sort of "settled" on Cruz but yeah, that was funnier.

Country's got Trumpfevah and I don't think it will be denied.

Posted by: votermom at March 01, 2016 02:35 PM (cbfNE)

1257 Can we teach people how not to break the blog width? This is hard to read on my phone.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at March 01, 2016 02:35 PM (FQKBL)

1258 YOU MINCING BRIT TWATWAFFLES!!!"


Can I steal that, Torquewrench? That lovely bit of word-smithing applies to far too many people I know.

Posted by: Moki at March 01, 2016 02:35 PM (7q2ch)

1259 So you went GOPe?

That'll show the Constitution how irrelevant it is!! Embrace the suck....we need to "progress" past the musty old piece of paper anyway!
Posted by: George Washington at March 01, 2016 02:22 PM (aRUb

Got news for you, bucko: the Constitution is finished. 60% of Millenials prefer socialism to capitalism, so it's just a matter of time before that ticking time bomb bakes into the electorate. Bernie Sanders will be the moderate candidate in 15-20 years. Right now I'm ok with just decelerating the decline until I figure out where else I should move.

You think you can have an orderly functional republic with these socialist authoritarian freaks? You think you're reforming these people? Ain't happening. Either we have a 2-state solution or we knuckle under to the socialist idiots, who are growing in great numbers with or without illegal immigration.

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 01, 2016 02:35 PM (Vqcn4)

1260 >1233
Posted by: Pastafarian at March 01, 2016 02:31 PM (LqrRo)

You find things obvious that to me are questionable at best. Let's agree to disagree.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:35 PM (xuouz)

1261 If the objective is to keep this party together, the objective is wrong.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 01, 2016 02:35 PM (659DL)

1262 Trump is the only non-Hillary candidate that has a shot. Will he
definitely win? No, I think Hillary will win no matter what. But Trump
will be the only one with a greater than 0 chance of winning.




You may be right, but I think there's a chance that Trump might handily, even in a landslide. (Not chiseling this into stone, but putting it out there as a possibility.)


Hillary's not going to effectively draw the bruthas, nor blue collar men, and may not draw millennials (even female ones) all that well either. Plus, in addition to all her other scandals, she's got that FBI investigation hanging over her head. One aide rolls, or incontrovertible proof comes out that her actions got people killed ... and she's done.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:35 PM (oKE6c)

1263 "I don't think Rubio can win either and I'm very sure I don't want *him* to..."


The lil' fucker could have won if Trump didn't enter the race. He could have been the optimistic, happy warrior, all smiles and Jack Kennedy confidence, but it just didn't work out that way.

Maybe in 12 years.

Not now.

Posted by: jwest at March 01, 2016 02:35 PM (Zs4uk)

1264 #1232 It's like they wanted the web site to go tits up... no offense to tits.

Given the way HA's comments sections had been completely taken over by professional paid operatives, working regular shifts and repeating the same talking points endlessly, it was no great loss.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 01, 2016 02:35 PM (HMt16)

1265 Trump is getting a ton of Dem support because lots of them don't like Hillary or Sanders. They are leaving their party and going either Independent or Republican for the first time ever.

The question is, if Cruz were to win the nomination (not likely); would they vote for Cruz? I'm guessing some will but many will just not vote at all and being formally Democrat, that means the DNC will vote for them and Hillary will win.

Expect the Dems to cheat, the numbers are set and the results have been contrived already. They just need to see how thing go so they can tweak things enough to make it all believable.

The Republican will cheat too. Reports are already coming in that the Austin TX area already has Kasich winning with Rubio, Trump and Cruz rounding out the 2,3,4 respectively.

Sorry, I don't see Cruz winning it, I don't see him as a Leader. I believe he bungled his Campaign early on and didn't take Trump seriously and it cost him. I can see him in the SCOTUS though.

Rubio is an Establishment Hack and just more of the same old same old. He isn't a leader, he is a puppet for the Republican Establishment who has been looking for a young face to sell. He is a Robot!

Posted by: Walknot at March 01, 2016 02:36 PM (FnHBZ)

1266 .... awesome. gives new meaning to "death star".

Also "I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home."

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 02:36 PM (oVJmc)

1267 During those 8 years they, the conservatives advanced Obama's progressive agenda across the board and in total while at the same time making conservatism nearly an irrelevant word.
***
Yeah, if only we had the guy who foisted Romneycare on the voters instead of the guy that foisted Obamacare...things would have been totes different!

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:36 PM (5LOno)

1268 And if I had to guess at the motives of the Founders, I'd guess your man Trump is more what they had in mind when they envisioned a Man On The White Horse strongman dictator type.

===

Show me a quote "Man on a White Horse" from any of the founders.

I'm positive you're conflating.

Besides, Geo. Washington was literally a Man on a White Horse that they considered making a fkn King.

Posted by: Bigby's Handbrake at March 01, 2016 02:36 PM (3ZtZW)

1269 But if Donald Trump is the repub contender, all of this is going to be so funny. How in the f**k will conservatives deal with the triangulation?

Posted by: Fnord73 at March 01, 2016 02:36 PM (ZgRru)

1270 I see as much or more likelihood that Rafael is in this only for Rafael as I do that Trump is in it only for Trump.

____

What does that even mean? Who has ever run for president and not been in it for themselves? Maybe Washington. After that, it's always been about "me".

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 01, 2016 02:36 PM (0LHZx)

1271 I was in the "I can never vote for Trump" camp until recently. Even though he's a total fraud, there's at least a CHANCE he will nominate Scalia like SCOTUS judges. There's no chance Hillary will. Simple as that. I however fear he will lose to Hillary and we will also take big losses in the House/Senate to punctuate the horror of this election cycle.

Posted by: AR at March 01, 2016 02:37 PM (tryYD)

1272 60% of Millennials prefer socialism to capitalism


Yes, but 0% know what socialism IS. A recent survey confirmed what you say, but in the same poll they strongly opposed Amazon, Apple, etc. being run by the government.


Thanks, teachers' unions. Helluva job.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:37 PM (oKE6c)

1273 It's funny that George Lucas made the protcol/diplomat droid ghey.

Posted by: eleven at March 01, 2016 02:37 PM (qUNWi)

1274 As someone who's been watching Ace around here a long time, I find the idea that he's a 16-dimensional chess master manipulating us like a psycho-historian kind of funny.

This is the guy who banned himself and posted accidental busty lebian porn.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 02:37 PM (oVJmc)

1275 Got news for you, bucko: the Constitution is finished. 60% of Millenials prefer socialism to capitalism, so it's just a matter of time before that ticking time bomb bakes into the electorate. Bernie Sanders will be the moderate candidate in 15-20 years.
Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 01, 2016 02:35 PM (Vqcn4)

Nope.

I am a millenial. I spend time on millenial websites too. Young people do not like authority, naturally. American young people, even in as advanced a state of decay as our society is in, reject socialism and authoritarianism. It is the false consensus of the left that has us thinking that socialism has gotten over the hump. It's the Melissa Clicks and Rachel Maddows of the world, exercising illegitimate power and influence, who make it seem this way.

That is why Trump's candidacy has me so excited. It's not about Trump. It's about the people willing to vote for him in the teeth of every piece of conventional wisdom the culture has ever propped up in an Oscars acceptance speech.

We're not dead yet. Take heart.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:38 PM (xuouz)

1276 Being anti-abortion yet paying lip service to the "women's health" side of PP is a smart way to thread the needle on this hot-button liberal issue in a way that will appeal to many democrats.


I'm going to agree with you on that one, unpopular as this view is.

Trump has a lot to teach the GOPe about winning over independents, but they'll never listen.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?





If Trump does win the Presidency, it will be because he can throw overboard some of the dumber elements of Social Conservatism.

I don't believe for a minute Trump is actually pro-life, but Evangelicals don't seem to care and this issue bogs down every Republican candidate.

Posted by: Branson at March 01, 2016 02:38 PM (st1SS)

1277
why did c3PO have an orange arm??

Posted by: fixerupper at March 01, 2016 02:38 PM (8XRCm)

1278 I think we're in the Gracchian portion of the American republic's slide into tyranny, courtesy primarily of the Democratic Party, with a big assist from the GOPe.

Still to come:
Marius, then Sulla.

Then we get Caesar.

Fun times, fun times to come.

Posted by: filbert at March 01, 2016 02:38 PM (s5o+q)

1279 ....and Rubio? What is his history..knowledge and
adherence to the principles of this Republic, and commitment to the
Constitution? Posted by: Marco Lightweight Conman at March 01, 2016 02:33 PM


What about Dondi? Once you've said "Gang of 8" you've said it all. I try not to think about him....

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 01, 2016 02:39 PM (D+xyy)

1280 . I know Hillary and Sanders will punish me. I know Rubio will barely have finished his inaugural address before rushing down to the border with teddy bears and green cards. I don't know what Trump will do, but, if he's the nominee, I'm willing to take my chances.

This.

The GOP has a record. An existing relationship with its base, going on for decades, since Reagan.

The unknown of Trump is considered far superior to giving the GOP one more chance. There's a problem here, and it's not with Trump, or his supporters.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 01, 2016 02:39 PM (uURQL)

1281 Wow. To read the comments here, it's like we're all resigned to the fact that the republic is over.

What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until WE decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? HELL, NO!

Worst case scenario: Trump, Clinton, or Sanders gets elected, and the both houses of the Republican Congress lack the testicular fortitude to oppose him. You still have choices. In no particular order:

- Secession
- Nullification
- Armed rebellion
- Surrender and capitulation

As for me, I'm crossing out the last one. The remaining three, you may choose in any order you want.

Posted by: Qoheleth at March 01, 2016 02:39 PM (iIzG7)

1282 How about saving the Constitution?

And how exactly does one do that.

I hope that a President Trump undoes as much of what Obama did as possible, and then, much like what happened after Woodrow Wilson's excesses, we forget they ever happened.

I actually expect that with the Untouchable Historic First gone, McConnell and Ryan and many others will suddenly discover the prerogatives of Congress in a our checks-and-balances system.

What else do you want?

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 01, 2016 02:39 PM (r1fLd)

1283 If every other person besides Cruz are lefty commies, how does one man turn the tide?
Fuck it. Let. It. Burn.
***
Oh I think Cruz is a long shot...though for different reasons then Trump, but while there is a chance of changing things at the ballot box we are obligated to do so...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:39 PM (5LOno)

1284 1277
why did c3PO have an orange arm??

I give up.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 01, 2016 02:39 PM (HMt16)

1285 This is why so many Americans are disappointed each morning when they don't hear that al Qaeda or ISIL have "nuked" 12th and Pennsylvania in DC.

Posted by: Hannibal Lecter at March 01, 2016 02:39 PM (e8kgV)

1286 "the false consensus of the left"

the fu is strong in this one

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 02:39 PM (L3GKO)

1287 1232
1221 Ace running up the comment count to rub it in on Hot Air.



Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 02:29 PM (3myMJ)






And good for Ace!..Rub it in and warm it up with "Ace Brand Blue Emu Juice"..heats up nice and doesn't stink that much.
The only down side is that some of those derps made it over here, and quite frankly, I hope they don't ruin OUR site with their antics.

Posted by: Definately Not Mimzey at March 01, 2016 02:40 PM (aRUb8)

1288 2) Someone else tried to push the idea of Norway
being an example of socialism done right and a player from Norway jumped
down his throat for claiming what they do is representative of the
madness the democras want here.


Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 01, 2016 02:28 PM (ZbV+0)


It helps to have only three million people, and a shitload of oil offshore. To hold out Norway as an example would be like holding out Alaska, or Saudi Arabia, as examples of how the government can distribute largess without incident.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:40 PM (oKE6c)

1289 Speaking of having a set of legs.......

http://goo.gl/YVnnUL

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at March 01, 2016 02:40 PM (xWW96)

1290 There's just no hope. No hope at all.

Posted by: SarahW at March 01, 2016 02:32 PM (3fTXW)

One of the things that keep me going in hard times is something Vaclev Havel said about hope. Havel was a dissident playwrightthe Soviets imprisoned for decades. He later became President of the Czech Republic. Anyway, a Benedictine monk was going around asking big life questions of statesmen and authors and the like. He asked Havel for his (Havel's) definition of hope.

Paraphrasing, Havel said hope isn't the childish belief that everything will turn out right in the end. Hope is the belief there is a point and purpose to our lives and work.

Posted by: troyriser at March 01, 2016 02:41 PM (cCEFD)

1291 If Trump is the nominee, expect the GOP to lose control of the Senate, even if he wins.
---
That wouldn't be surprising since mitch the bitch has advised them to run campaign ads against him.

I'm already planning on voting for Trump and against mr rubber stamp for obama Mark Kirk.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 01, 2016 02:41 PM (ZbV+0)

1292 This is the guy who banned himself and posted accidental busty lebian porn.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 02:37 PM (oVJmc)

Yeah, at one time, I believe he thought Charles CW Cooke was "deep".

Posted by: jwest at March 01, 2016 02:41 PM (Zs4uk)

1293 It's Deja vu all over again.

Posted by: Yogi Berra at March 01, 2016 02:41 PM (1ijHg)

1294 Right now I'm ok with just decelerating the decline until I figure out where else I should move.

What an American thing to do.

How about Canada, or Mexico?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 01, 2016 02:41 PM (uURQL)

1295 I always love it when the crowd who just couldn't vote for Romney
because of they're conservative principles ended up giving us 8 years of
Obama due to inaction or actually voting for the guy.

During those 8 years they, the conservatives advanced Obama's
progressive agenda across the board and in total while at the same time
making conservatism nearly an irrelevant word.


The best argument we had in 2012, that of pushing back against Obamacare, was rendered irrelevant by the GOPe via the pushing of the only guy in the race who couldn't argue against it.

And incidentally, I did my duty back then. I voted for the guy, even though by November it was plain that Romney really didn't care to win.

So you'll have to look elsewhere for blame. How about the GOPe for squandering the good will of the base and making a Trump candidacy possible....?

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at March 01, 2016 02:41 PM (eytER)

1296 This is the guy who banned himself and posted accidental busty lebian porn.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 02:37 PM (oVJmc)


Ah yes, the good old days. So much has changed since then.

Posted by: IP at March 01, 2016 02:41 PM (aQQbl)

1297 It's going to be an interesting evening if Trump wins big. I might tune in to Fox just to see Megyn and the rest of the goons struggle to be professional.

Posted by: IC at March 01, 2016 02:41 PM (a0IVu)

1298 Can Cruz win FL, OH, VA , PA and a couple of other purple western states? That the only question required when determining if he is electable. He would not lose any Red States from the 2012 election.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 01, 2016 02:41 PM (UGLi1)

1299 1290 Speaking of having a set of legs.......

I'm a leg man and that was mean. You are NOT a great American!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 01, 2016 02:41 PM (HMt16)

1300 1233 Ghost of Kari at 1185: "Ace flirted with acceptance..."

I don't think he ever actually did. I think it was a ruse on his part, he was hoping to lure a number of Trump supporters over to Cruz, by pointing out how Cruz is the true anti-establishment candidate, and so on. He even tried to appeal to the populist reverse-snobbery that's been stinking up the threads lately.

A dude who learned French in his spare time, on a lark, took aim at the intelligentsia and sided with the Trumpenproletariat. Uh huh. Whatevs. He repeatedly criticized, and threatened with banning, anyone who questioned the intelligence of conservatives supporting the most obvious stalking-horse liberal candidate since...ever.

Not because he thought you weren't foolish; but because he thought he'd catch more flies with honey. And I think this was precisely the wrong tactic. We should have let loose with mockery and derision, before the media and the left were able to orchestrate their Brawndo preference cascade.
Posted by: Pastafarian at March 01, 2016 02:31 PM (LqrRo)

***********

ace made the same mistake that he said the pro-life movement made.

He understood when Todd Aiken was too strident and uncompromising but now both of the causes are gone.

(Unless something different happens than what ace says he knows in this post)

Posted by: President Kim Kardashian Yeezy typing thru the spacetime continuum at March 01, 2016 02:41 PM (mcm0N)

1301 I CAN'T WAIT TO VOTE FOR TRUMP AFTER WORK TODAY IN VIRGINIA. I'm over this "do it for the good of the party" BS. Over. It. I will vote for Cruz in the General if he wins the nomination, but I will NOT be voting for him today. TRUMP 2016.

Posted by: rightwingva at March 01, 2016 02:41 PM (12N38)

1302 Of course, it's really hard to take the "American People" seriously when nearly half of all Democrats are more than willing to accept a candidate for POTUS who clearly has violate multiple laws.

Posted by: Hannibal Lecter at March 01, 2016 02:42 PM (e8kgV)

1303 Yes, but 0% know what socialism IS. A recent survey confirmed what you say, but in the same poll they strongly opposed Amazon, Apple, etc. being run by the government.


#toolate you f'n idiots. Once given power, socialists won't give it up.

Oh, and don't expect me to help once they stand you up against the wall.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 02:42 PM (+058L)

1304 1290 Yeah,yeah,like anybody doesn't know it's a giant spider picture.

Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:42 PM (B48dK)

1305 "hope is not a strategy"

something to keep in mind

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 02:42 PM (L3GKO)

1306 Is ace going to post something today?

Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:42 PM (B48dK)

1307 This is the guy who banned himself and posted accidental busty lebian porn.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 01, 2016 02:37 PM (oVJmc)

Ahhh those were the days....

Posted by: cajun caret at March 01, 2016 02:42 PM (QfUjv)

1308 The only down side is that some of those derps made it over here, and quite frankly, I hope they don't ruin OUR site with their antics.
Posted by: Definately Not Mimzey at March 01, 2016 02:40 PM (aRUb


Too late.

It's kind of like what you get when you mix shit with chocolate.

It might look like chocolate, but it is not chocolate.

Posted by: filbert at March 01, 2016 02:42 PM (s5o+q)

1309 1284
If every other person besides Cruz are lefty commies, how does one man turn the tide?

Fuck it. Let. It. Burn.

***

He doesn't.
The Constitution does. What is difficult to understand about that?

Posted by: George Washington at March 01, 2016 02:42 PM (aRUb8)

1310 Speaking of having a set of legs.......
http://goo.gl/YVnnUL
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at March 01, 2016 02:40 PM (xWW96)


*whistles*

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 01, 2016 02:43 PM (uURQL)

1311 And there you have it. It's worth handing the country over to lefty
communists just to "Rub their noses in it!" So deep....so strategically
intelligent.
Sorry...that's just my opinion...others may feeeel differently.
---
Yup.

And there is not one thing you can do about it.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 01, 2016 02:43 PM (ZbV+0)

1312 1306 Is ace going to post something today?
Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:42 PM (B48dK)

He's probably half way into a bottle of Valu-Rite attempting to overcome the inevitability of Trump.

Posted by: cajun caret at March 01, 2016 02:43 PM (QfUjv)

1313 Trump wins: GOP off the hook if it goes bad.
Cruz wins: GOP mostly on the hook if it goes bad.
Rubio wins: GOP totally on the hook when it goes bad.
Kasich wins: The return of the Pony Express.
Hillary wins: GOP off the hook when it goes bad.
Bernie wins: Everyone off the hook when it goes bad.

So, if you are worried about blame, there's your landscape.

If you are worried about the country, it's probably too late. Worry about yourself and your family.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 02:43 PM (3myMJ)

1314 It might look like chocolate, but it is not chocolate.

Posted by: filbert at March 01, 2016 02:42 PM (s5o+q)

But if you mix in some filberts...might be better?

Posted by: Definately Not Mimzey at March 01, 2016 02:44 PM (aRUb8)

1315 .... awesome. gives new meaning to "death star".

Posted by: BIG ANUS at March 01, 2016 02:33 PM (8XRCm)


Ah, that would be the "death starfish."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:44 PM (oKE6c)

1316 This is the guy who banned himself and posted accidental busty lebian porn.

How does a lesbian become accidentally busty?

Boob cream mishap?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 01, 2016 02:44 PM (uURQL)

1317 It helps to have only three million people, and a shitload of oil offshore. To hold out Norway as an example would be like holding out Alaska, or Saudi Arabia, as examples of how the government can distribute largess without incident.
Posted by: Jay Guevara



It's beyond ridiculous, and even with all of that going for it, a poor American lives better than a middle class Scandanavian.

The problem is, really bad government policies don't always mean instant destruction. too many conservatives are banking on some giant "I told you so" that could take another 50 years to unfold.

Posted by: Branson at March 01, 2016 02:44 PM (st1SS)

1318 Do you not like the representation of Cruz of you as a constituent ?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 01, 2016 02:22 PM (UGLi1)

I like him just fine.

But Texas is his last state. He won't pull 50 and anything short of 50 won't revitalize a campaign that's been on life support since SC.

He was my second choice after Jindal, actually. I wanted Jindal because his ethnicity would be a foil to MSM race-baiting.

Then I heard Trump. He put PC live on the table and cut its guts out with a meat cleaver to the screams of the media.

That's when I said, "Normally, I'm an issues voter but this year I'm voting for linguistic reasons. Or, as Scott Douglas says: 'decouple PC from empathy.'"

Posted by: Rick Tingles at March 01, 2016 02:44 PM (o29ZM)

1319 Gov. Crispy has referred to Cruze-less and Rube-io as "twins from Washington, DC."

Posted by: RioBravo at March 01, 2016 02:44 PM (NUqwG)

1320 Yup.

And there is not one thing you can do about it.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 01, 2016 02:43 PM (ZbV+0)



Oh come on, be fair.

There's bitching and whining and name calling and virtue signaling and petulant foot stomping and that's just off the top of my head.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 01, 2016 02:45 PM (mf5HN)

1321 We don't need a Washington right now. We need a Jefferson.

Posted by: votermom at March 01, 2016 02:45 PM (cbfNE)

1322 So Trump cuts a deal with Cruz...

Cruz pulls out and throws his support to Trump...

Trump wins in November and sends Cruz's name to the Senate for advise and consent to fill Scalia's seat on SCOTUS

Conservatives happy.

Senate happy to get rid of Cruz.

Just wondering out loud....

Posted by: Auggie at March 01, 2016 02:45 PM (pBM1q)

1323 If Trump wins, he'll make deals with whoever is the strong horse in the Senate/House, he'll probably govern down the centre which scares me on immigration.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 01, 2016 02:45 PM (TJCSB)

1324 #1224 ~

A Congressman from AZ who's a Bernie supporter was on the business channel this a.m. and actually said it was the government's job to ensure that Americans have income equality.

Maria Bartiromo or whatever her name is nearly came unglued on the guy, but when you've got this much weapons grade stupidity floating around America, what can we really do? Burn it down?

Posted by: the other coyote at March 01, 2016 02:45 PM (yK44T)

1325 Still to come:
Marius, then Sulla.

Then we get Caesar.
***
You know if Sulla had been just a bit more complete in eliminating the Marians, Julius would have been some obscure footnote.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:45 PM (5LOno)

1326 But if you mix in some filberts...might be better?
Posted by: Definately Not Mimzey at March 01, 2016 02:44 PM (aRUb


Naw.

But nuts don't care. They're sort of the honey badgers of the vegetable kingdom.

"Nuts!"

Posted by: filbert at March 01, 2016 02:45 PM (s5o+q)

1327 1297 It's going to be an interesting evening if Trump wins big. I might tune in to Fox just to see Megyn and the rest of the goons struggle to be professional.


The meltdown at NRO and RedState is going to be fucking epic. I'm getting a tingle down my leg just thinking about it.

Not even a Trump guy (I'll vote for him if he's the nominee though, in a heartbeat.) But I hate those elitist bastards so it will be a treat, all those tasty, tasty tears.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 01, 2016 02:46 PM (HMt16)

1328 so what makes us so sure Hillary will win?

I think the left is in a shambles -- few Dems *want* to vote for Hillary except her sister furies/harridans

could it be that Dem turnout will be at record lows, making it easier for the GOP nom to win?

what's the data on this?

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 02:46 PM (L3GKO)

1329 >>> Well,the next Star Wars is going homo so we have that going for us. ___
Please let it be Daisy Ridley...please...
Posted by: Some SW Fan at March 01, 2016 02:33 PM (5LOno)

My sister's Tumblr dash is full of squee over the actor playing Poe revealing he played his part as if he is in a romantic relationship with Finn. I think he means to create a bromantic bond, like that between Rick and Louis in Casablanca. But of course the girls interpret that as SLASH YAY.

I thought is was confirmed Captain Phasma was going to be a lesbian? So this does not shock me.

Posted by: LizLem at March 01, 2016 02:46 PM (hvf9s)

1330 If you are worried about the country, it's probably too late. Worry about yourself and your family.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 02:43 PM (3myMJ)

Kinda hard to do that when 50% of your income is taken to give to shaniqua and Jose the squatter. Because Oh the Humanity!

Posted by: cajun caret at March 01, 2016 02:46 PM (QfUjv)

1331 There's bitching and whining and name calling and virtue signaling and petulant foot stomping and that's just off the top of my head.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 01, 2016 02:45 PM (mf5HN)


Don't forget ragetwitching!

I have a dog that joytwitches, it's adorable.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 01, 2016 02:46 PM (uURQL)

1332 We don't need a Washington right now. We need a Jefferson.

Posted by: votermom at March 01, 2016 02:45 PM (cbfNE)

Fine but I need a Jameson

Posted by: IP at March 01, 2016 02:46 PM (aQQbl)

1333 1312 1306 Is ace going to post something today?

Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:42 PM (B48dK)

I thought ace was working the poles today?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 01, 2016 02:46 PM (mEZce)

1334 I keep getting calls to vote for Rubio! No!!

Posted by: Carol at March 01, 2016 02:47 PM (sj3Ax)

1335 "ends Cruz's name to the Senate for advise and consent to fill Scalia's seat on SCOTUS"

I'd be happier with that than with Cruz as POTUS

his expertise, passion, and experience is all judicial

Posted by: Feh at March 01, 2016 02:47 PM (L3GKO)

1336 I am wondering if some enlightened member of the horde can correlate this new turn of events against, say, the UK, where splintered parties seem to better describe the populace they represent. Does a fracturing of the two party system bode ill for us?

I personally think our two party system has, like hardened arteries, set us up for a potential fatal catastrophe. It has held on so long despite a changing world, partly due to the cold war and partly due to our good fortune after being the most whole country after WWII.

Posted by: JD Will at March 01, 2016 02:47 PM (EEqRQ)

1337 foot stomping and that's just off the top of my head.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 01, 2016 02:45 PM (mf5HN)

Stompy Boot Stomping?

Posted by: cajun caret at March 01, 2016 02:47 PM (QfUjv)

1338 Nope.

I am a millenial. I spend time on millenial websites too. Young people do not like authority, naturally. American young people, even in as advanced a state of decay as our society is in, reject socialism and authoritarianism. It is the false consensus of the left that has us thinking that socialism has gotten over the hump. It's the Melissa Clicks and Rachel Maddows of the world, exercising illegitimate power and influence, who make it seem this way.

That is why Trump's candidacy has me so excited. It's not about Trump. It's about the people willing to vote for him in the teeth of every piece of conventional wisdom the culture has ever propped up in an Oscars acceptance speech.

We're not dead yet. Take heart.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:38 PM (xuouz)

Of all the candidates, most millennials are lining up behind the out of the closet socialist. Parse it however you want. Tell yourself they know not what they do - ie, the entire history of socialism, but those are the facts.

The left hijacked all the major institutions of the country and built an army of ignoramuses while we slept. There's no reversing it now, even if Trump wins. These maniacs never quit.

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 01, 2016 02:47 PM (Vqcn4)

1339 I'm really loathe to admit it....but MUMR is kind of growing on me.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at March 01, 2016 02:47 PM (eytER)

1340 The real problem in America today is that too many people don't want to work or make decisions for themselves, and they elect rulers who agree to abide by those conditions.

I'm not sure how we teach those people they're wrong.

Posted by: MTF at March 01, 2016 02:47 PM (TxJGV)

1341 Cruz for US Supreme Court Justice. Trump for President. There, fixed it for ya'.

Posted by: rightwingva at March 01, 2016 02:47 PM (12N38)

1342 I too believe Cruz is, by far, the best guy to stop the progressive cancer in this country. BUT.......my wife and her friends, all conservatives here in TX, say he "looks and sounds creepy."

I actually think this is a real problem for him. Seriously.

Posted by: AR at March 01, 2016 02:47 PM (tryYD)

1343 #1323
Just wondering out loud....

I'm with you man. SCOTUS is for life and Cruz is still a young guy.

That scenario would turn out a lot better for us in the long run, IMHO.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 01, 2016 02:48 PM (HMt16)

1344 1262
If the objective is to keep this party together, the objective is wrong.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 01, 2016 02:35 PM (659DL)


Hear, hear.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/24/ the-jacksonian-temptation-trump-v-cruz/


There is still a place for Cruz in a Trump administration.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at March 01, 2016 02:48 PM (3dOE/)

1345 I thought ace was working the poles today?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 01, 2016 02:46 PM (mEZce)
-------
i thought Trump worked the Poles.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 01, 2016 02:48 PM (NUqwG)

1346 If Trump does become President , I will pray that he is everything his supporters say he is and will be successful in making America great again. I won't be hoping he fails so I could claim I was right. I love the ideal that is America much more than any selfish pride I may have.

In the mean time, I still despise Trump as much as anyone.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 01, 2016 02:48 PM (UGLi1)

1347 I thought ace was working the poles today?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 01, 2016 02:46 PM (mEZce)



Obligatory Skank A Thon mention here.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 01, 2016 02:49 PM (mf5HN)

1348 One of the things that keep me going in hard times is something Vaclev
Havel said about hope. Havel was a dissident playwrightthe Soviets
imprisoned for decades. He later became President of the Czech Republic.



I was in the late, unlamented USSR when an Orthodox priest was talking about Leningrad, and mentioned that it used to be called "St. Petersburg." Then, with a sly smile, he added, "And it may be called St. Petersburg again."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:49 PM (oKE6c)

1349 The left hijacked all the major institutions of the country and built an army of ignoramuses while we slept. There's no reversing it now, even if Trump wins. These maniacs never quit.

Except for the crashing and burning and Trumpening.

Hard lessons build a hardier people - juse like the Great Depression prep'd the Greatest Generation for the next era.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 01, 2016 02:49 PM (uURQL)

1350 And incidentally, I did my duty back then. I voted for the guy, even though by November it was plain that Romney really didn't care to win.

***
I think if the right had roundly rejected Mittbot in 2012 we wouldn't be in this position right now.

But after the base complained about amnesty we still voted for Juan McVain, and after we complained about Obamacare we still voted for Mitt Romneycare* - it is no wonder the GOPe thinks we will vote for whoever they tell us to.

*in 2012 *I* didn't vote for either socialist running.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:49 PM (5LOno)

1351 1340 I'm really loathe to admit it....but MUMR is kind of growing on me.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at March 01, 2016 02:47 PM (eytER)


If you will rub your nuts with icyhot it will kill the infection, or at least take it off your mind.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at March 01, 2016 02:49 PM (xWW96)

1352 1334 1312 1306 Is ace going to post something today?

Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:42 PM (B48dK)

I thought ace was working the poles today?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 01, 2016 02:46 PM (mEZce)

******

At my strip club for Furries. They throw Kaboom at him.

Posted by: President Kim Kardashian Yeezy typing thru the spacetime continuum at March 01, 2016 02:49 PM (mcm0N)

1353 1323, the Senate GOP leadership hates Cruz too much to put him on SCOTUS.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at March 01, 2016 02:49 PM (eytER)

1354 Canada turd crud is another nixon sociopath without nixons "charm" Trump wins populist social conservatives smash ayn randist free trader movement conservative sociopaths!

Posted by: trump president at March 01, 2016 02:49 PM (emTNT)

1355 Gov Rick Scott to endorse Trump today.


I called this.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 01, 2016 02:49 PM (8PbKi)

1356 Yeah, no...the Trumpening is happening, as we speak..

Posted by: jt2 at March 01, 2016 02:43 PM (U3CzV)


You need a slogan.....maybe something like..."YES WE CAN!....YES WE CAN!!"..or."FIRED UP, READY TO GO!..FIRED UP, READY TO GO!!"? It might even be more persuasive if you interspersed vague "goals" like "We will fundamentally transform the United States of America!"Might prove useful.

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at March 01, 2016 02:49 PM (aRUb8)

1357 *hauls willow back in*



*mainly so we can get a new thread*


Careful - we had an empty corgi thread earlier, any strain may break the hampsters.

Posted by: DaveA at March 01, 2016 02:50 PM (DL2i+)

1358 I too believe Cruz is, by far, the best guy to stop the progressive cancer in this country. BUT.......my wife and her friends, all conservatives here in TX, say he "looks and sounds creepy."

I actually think this is a real problem for him. Seriously.
Posted by: AR at March 01, 2016 02:47 PM (tryYD)



Count Chocula.

He looks like Count Chocula.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 01, 2016 02:50 PM (mf5HN)

1359 1342 BUT.......my wife and her friends, all conservatives here in TX, say he [Cruz] "looks and sounds creepy."

I actually think this is a real problem for him. Seriously.

Posted by: AR at March 01, 2016 02:47 PM (tryYD)



My wife says the same thing.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:50 PM (oKE6c)

1360 You can be a small party no one likes or a big one that is popular. So totes let's be small and unlikeable cuz Open Borders Conservative.

Posted by: Puddin Head at March 01, 2016 02:51 PM (oDCMR)

1361 1233 Ghost of Kari at 1185: "Ace flirted with acceptance..."

I don't think he ever actually did. I think it was a ruse on his part, he was hoping to lure a number of Trump supporters over to Cruz, by pointing out how Cruz is the true anti-establishment candidate, and so on. He even tried to appeal to the populist reverse-snobbery that's been stinking up the threads lately.

A dude who learned French in his spare time, on a lark, took aim at the intelligentsia and sided with the Trumpenproletariat. Uh huh. Whatevs. He repeatedly criticized, and threatened with banning, anyone who questioned the intelligence of conservatives supporting the most obvious stalking-horse liberal candidate since...ever.

Not because he thought you weren't foolish; but because he thought he'd catch more flies with honey. And I think this was precisely the wrong tactic. We should have let loose with mockery and derision, before the media and the left were able to orchestrate their Brawndo preference cascade.

Posted by: Pastafarian at March 01, 2016 02:31 PM (LqrRo)
******

100 points to Gryffindor.

People like Ace, I'm of the opinion these days, were always running a long con in favor of Cruz, who was always their preferred candidate. So they helped prop up Trump, in the theory he'd flame or fade out, or just lose a few states and his pride would force him to quit. And that a significant portion of Trump's voters would migrate, naturally, to Cruz.

Again, that was an egregious tactical error, and one that Cruz also committed, ultimately to his extreme detriment.

Now, as we stand on what possibly is the eve of Trump locking up the nomination (or at least locking it up by like a 90% chance; I'll hold onto a 10% chance of defeating him), it comes time to beg 1) those who support Trump to reconsider and 2) those of us who support Rubio to choose Cruz. I'd feel bad for him, but then again, he does his begging without humility, so not really.

If it makes him feel better, I'd vote for Cruz, should he get the nomination. I don't think there's much chance of that after today, though.

Posted by: Vyce at March 01, 2016 02:51 PM (h4ZaE)

1362 BUT.......my wife and her friends, all conservatives here in TX, say he "looks and sounds creepy."

I actually think this is a real problem for him. Seriously.
Posted by: AR


That's basically every woman I knows perspective as well. He's that guy.

I've heard far more positive feedback on Trump from female voters than Cruz, despite Trump actually being a dirtbag.

Who said women were logical?

Posted by: Branson at March 01, 2016 02:51 PM (st1SS)

1363 This "trump president" commenter is winning me over with his inspiring words and rock hard logic.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 01, 2016 02:51 PM (TJCSB)

1364 If Trump wins the presidency and tells the senate to STFU and confirm Cruz to SCOTUS, it would be a major triumph for conservatives. Cruz is young and will have 30-40 years to be a major influential voice..

Posted by: IC at March 01, 2016 02:51 PM (a0IVu)

1365 Nood.

Posted by: HH at March 01, 2016 02:51 PM (DrCtv)

1366 Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at March 01, 2016 02:40 PM (xWW96)


Not gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent.

Posted by: Dan Quayle at March 01, 2016 02:52 PM (hvf9s)

1367 say he "looks and sounds creepy."
***
The appropriate answer to this is...WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU. You vote for the person who will best follow the constitution, not who you would want to watch on the Bachelor.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:52 PM (5LOno)

1368 Ghost of Kari in one comment: "You cannot look past his (admittedly fucking atrocious) disjointed delivery and rambling speaking style."

Ghost of Kari in another: "You find things obvious that to me are questionable at best."

So you can read my mind, and determine that I'm arriving at conclusions based on emotion, after I've picked apart, for months, the faulty logic of conservatives supporting a man who was an avowed liberal, in voice, in print (in his own fucking books), and in deed (with his campaign contributions).

But I'm the one finding questionable things obvious and making hasty conclusions.

How very...millennial of you.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the next generation. I will take some small measure of solace knowing that you're so young that you'll probably live long enough to see the error of your ways, and you'll look back on your propping up an egomaniacal leftist with the same feelings as other millennials will the Insane Clown Posse tattoos on their necks.

Posted by: Pastafarian at March 01, 2016 02:52 PM (LqrRo)

1369 Well--I heard all this last time. How folks who didn't get their special candidate wouldn't vote at all. And some didn't. So we got four more years of Obama! How did that work out for you? Now you are gonna do the same and have 8 more years of it? And a SCOTUS liberal for a generation? You guys are smart! You'll show'em, right? I don't know at this point who is the candidate--we got 9 more months of this. If it's Trump, he won't pick an Obama liberal for SCOTUS! And I'm sure as f--- not handing it to Hillary!

Posted by: AnnaS at March 01, 2016 02:52 PM (+BxpP)

1370 I've said before: Trump is not Frodo. He will not cast the One Ring of Big Government and Lawless Executive into the fires of Mount Doom. He will attempt to use it for "good". And the Republic will suffer for it.

Posted by: David Wellman at March 01, 2016 02:52 PM (Hi6cL)

1371 How the DNC Shielded Hillary from the same fate as Jeb Bush



http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/228034/

Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:52 PM (B48dK)

1372 1359 1342 BUT.......my wife and her friends, all conservatives here in TX, say he [Cruz] "looks and sounds creepy."

I actually think this is a real problem for him. Seriously.

Posted by: AR at March 01, 2016 02:47 PM (tryYD)


My wife says the same thing.
-------------------------
Yep. But being the Face of God has some drawbacks. Who knew?

Posted by: Puddin Head at March 01, 2016 02:52 PM (oDCMR)

1373 There's "funny sockpuppet" MUMR and then there's "didn't take his meds today" MUMR. Not the same person, not the same tone.

Posted by: joncelli the Really Fat Police Dog at March 01, 2016 02:52 PM (RD7QR)

1374 "Welcome back my friends to the thread that never ends".....

Posted by: kraken at March 01, 2016 02:52 PM (sdxPm)

1375 1369 Well--I heard all this last time. How folks who didn't get their special candidate wouldn't vote at all. And some didn't. So we got four more years of Obama! How did that work out for you? Now you are gonna do the same and have 8 more years of it? And a SCOTUS liberal for a generation? You guys are smart! You'll show'em, right? I don't know at this point who is the candidate--we got 9 more months of this. If it's Trump, he won't pick an Obama liberal for SCOTUS! And I'm sure as f--- not handing it to Hillary!
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Romney could have won had he not been sidetracked by Hispandering. Seems GOPe can't learn that lesson.

Posted by: Puddin Head at March 01, 2016 02:53 PM (oDCMR)

1376 "If Trump wins, he's going to make deals.."

No shit, Skippy.

We're just so shell shocked over the past 12 or 16 years that every "deal" made had the democrats getting everything they wanted and us taking it up the ass without lube.

Just imagine if "deals" could be made the other way around.

Everything in life is deal. How you come out on deal is up to how you negotiate it.

How about we try making some deals with someone on our team who knows how to win?

Posted by: jwest at March 01, 2016 02:53 PM (Zs4uk)

1377 1353 1323, the Senate GOP leadership hates Cruz too much to put him on SCOTUS.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at March 01, 2016 02:49 PM (eytER)




Which bodes ill for a President Cruz being able to accomplish jack shit that required Congressional approval. Hence my comment that a Cruz Administration would merely temporizing when we need action to reverse the rot.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:53 PM (oKE6c)

1378
We don't need a Washington right now. We need a Jefferson.

Posted by: votermom

Fine but I need a Jameson
Posted by: IP


I'm looking for a Johnson.

Posted by: Barney Frank at March 01, 2016 02:53 PM (FkBIv)

1379 I've said before: Trump is not Frodo. He will not cast the One Ring of Big Government and Lawless Executive into the fires of Mount Doom. He will attempt to use it for "good". And the Republic will suffer for it.
***
Does that mean that James Carville is going to bite Trump's finger off to get back his precious?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:54 PM (5LOno)

1380
Canada turd crud is another nixon sociopath without nixons "charm" Trump wins populist social conservatives smash ayn randist free trader movement conservative sociopaths!

Posted by: trump president at March 01, 2016 02:49 PM (emTNT)

A few decades ago, I had to write a term paper on James Joyce's stream of consciousness stylistic techniques. You, sir, are no James Joyce.

Posted by: troyriser at March 01, 2016 02:54 PM (cCEFD)

1381 Trump is getting a ton of Dem support because lots of them don't like
Hillary or Sanders. They are leaving their party and going either
Independent or Republican for the first time ever.


WTF? Where are you buying your chronic? I need somadat!

Posted by: Hadoop at March 01, 2016 02:54 PM (2X7pN)

1382 So just got back from a day of running around doing errands.



Whatya-all talking about?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 01, 2016 02:54 PM (ptqRm)

1383 1367-- Yeah, like he's going to yell that in all caps at his wife.

Posted by: kraken at March 01, 2016 02:54 PM (sdxPm)

1384 You're goddamn right Qoheleth.

And troyriser the dissidents of the USSR, Havel and Solzhenitsyn in particular, should be required reading.

We're not going to die. We're going to live on.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 01, 2016 02:54 PM (xuouz)

1385

An email containing the whereabouts and plans of murdered U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens passed through Hillary Clinton's private server, dispatches released Monday in the final group of messages from Clinton's emails reveal.

Presidential material. Presidential. Hysteric first for the nation.

Posted by: mega machines at March 01, 2016 02:55 PM (fbovC)

1386
1290 Yeah,yeah,like anybody doesn't know it's a giant spider picture.

Posted by: steevy at March 01, 2016 02:42 PM (B48dK)
___________

I'd hit it....

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 01, 2016 02:55 PM (HSmrB)

1387 I will not join with Alex in smearing the Poles as skanks!

Posted by: eleven at March 01, 2016 02:55 PM (qUNWi)

1388 1367 say he "looks and sounds creepy."
***
The appropriate answer to this is...WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU. You vote for the person who will best follow the constitution, not who you would want to watch on the Bachelor.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 02:52 PM (5LOno)



How very pre-19th Amendment.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 01, 2016 02:55 PM (oKE6c)

1389 No Trump supporter gives a fuck if the GOP is destroyed, so that's no threat. And the #nevertrump movement just confirms we were right about all of you, and that the GOP and "Conservatives" are useless.

Most of these pricks, from Erickson to Marved, have always mocked third Parties. Now they use them, because we are winning.

The time to offer Cruz as a compromise was before IA. It's an idea at least two months too late.

Better to find out where everyone stands, this election year, than kick the can again. Let's go on this journey together and see how bad things can really get.

Trump/Sessions 2016 #alwaystrump

Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 01, 2016 02:55 PM (h/0l8)

1390 Trump wins: GOP off the hook if it goes bad.

Cruz wins: GOP mostly on the hook if it goes bad.

Rubio wins: GOP totally on the hook when it goes bad.

Kasich wins: The return of the Pony Express.

Hillary wins: GOP off the hook when it goes bad.

Bernie wins: Everyone off the hook when it goes bad.



So, if you are worried about blame, there's your landscape.



If you are worried about the country, it's probably too late. Worry about yourself and your family.



Posted by: Meremortal at March 01, 2016 02:43 PM (3myMJ)

That may be how the GOP machine is looking at it. They would rather have Rubio or Cruz (both Party Men, though one remarkably more accommodating than the other). Right now they are judging whether they use their big dollar superpacs to support both or throw it all to Rubio. Which would have a chance to win? Or get them a brokered convention?

And they have already decided Hillery is better than Trump or not winning at all.
All Party Men agree to this (see comments above).

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 01, 2016 02:56 PM (T78UI)

1391 Oh come on, be fair.



There's bitching and whining and name calling and virtue signaling
and petulant foot stomping and that's just off the top of my head.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 01, 2016 02:45 PM (mf5HN)

You are of course, correct.
I apologize for my poor choice of words.
What I should have said was "And there is not one thing you can do to change it."

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 01, 2016 02:56 PM (ZbV+0)

1392 We don't need a Washington right now. We need a Jefferson
___
And soon...soon....you will need someone else.

Posted by: Augusto Pinochet at March 01, 2016 02:56 PM (5LOno)

1393 AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Like this party needs to be saved. Burn in the fire all of you cucks.

Posted by: John J Hnosko at March 01, 2016 02:56 PM (5r7pe)

1394 I just got back from the polls in TN. Turnout was light at our polling place in a heavily Republican district. I figured Trump would bring them out in droves.

Anyway, that is two more votes for Cruz between my wife and I.

I am still debating whether I would vote for Trump in the general. Rubio is out. I am so certain we would get a version of amnesty if he is elected that there would just be no point in the exercise at all. I am not going to vote for someone who is going to import a new electorate for the sole purpose of making what I believe obsolete. That might happen anyway, but it will not be with the blessing of my vote.

Posted by: Thatch at March 01, 2016 02:57 PM (pBZp4)

1395 >Does that mean that James Carville is going to bite Trump's finger off to get back his precious?
______________

Carville or Rove. Same difference.

Posted by: David Wellman at March 01, 2016 02:57 PM (Hi6cL)

1396 the Senate GOP leadership hates Cruz too much to put him on SCOTUS.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at March 01, 2016 02:49 PM (eytER)



Which bodes ill for a President Cruz being able to accomplish jack shit that required Congressional approval. Hence my comment that a Cruz Administration would merely temporizing when we need action to reverse the rot.



Which is what I said yesterday about the Senate overriding a President Cruz veto and was told I was stupid as shit for thinking that way.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 02:57 PM (+058L)

1397 Hey guys. I'm about to leave to go stand in line to vote. They're saying lines everywhere around here, so who knows at my little school I have to go to. ( Texas)

I have to laugh at those predicting a loss of the Senate if Trump is nominee. Much less the House. Micheal Medved was preaching this at a caller yesterday. It makes no sense. Democrats have been losing like crazy in the House and Senate. Just because Trump wins does not equal a yuge outpouring of support of Democrat senators to oppose him. Makes no sense. The GOP hate him more, so that's a false argument... to me.

Posted by: Yip at March 01, 2016 02:57 PM (e7T6D)

1398 If you take any solace in the fact that Trump makes liberal heads explode, then just imagine how he makes Euroweenie heads explode. If Trump is what a hobo imagines a rich guy to be like, he is also what most America-hating countries imagine as the vulgar rich loudmouth American. And it will be glorious watching him give a speech at the UN or go to state dinners. Especially with the wife.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 01, 2016 02:57 PM (0NXlT)

1399 1385 CITE PLEASE

This has to be front and center on AoS, since that's where MSM gets their news.

Posted by: the other coyote at March 01, 2016 02:57 PM (yK44T)

1400 La NOOD

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 01, 2016 02:58 PM (ptqRm)

1401 Rebuttal to the secretive, Trump secretly renegging on deportation secret interview leak, secret.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ byron-york-when-trump-answered-the-secret-interview-immigration-question/article/2584553

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at March 01, 2016 02:58 PM (3dOE/)

1402 1400-- Thank ya Jezus.

Posted by: kraken at March 01, 2016 02:59 PM (sdxPm)

1403 Why does Politico still have Jeb Bush running on top in Texas?

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president?lo=ut_d1

Posted by: Fnord73 at March 01, 2016 03:00 PM (ZgRru)

1404
I will not join with Alex in smearing the Poles as skanks!-----eleven

And I won't smear the skanks as Poles! /

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 01, 2016 03:03 PM (uhftQ)

1405 Presuming we can't have Cruz, the other choices are all lefty communists in practice anyway.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 01, 2016 02:34 PM (+058L)

****

This has always been my issue with Cruz and Cruz fans. This notion that Cruz is the only "true" conservative in Congress or running for the nomination. It's preposterous nonsense. As others have pointed out elsewhere, Cruz's schtick is to set a litmus test that only he passes, then uses that as "proof" he's the only principled conservative, and agitates none are as exalted.

It makes supporting him difficult, particularly after months of him and his supporters being utterly patronizing.

And now you'd like us moderate types to be the cavalry coming to his rescue.

Cruz fans: There were MILLIONS of conservative voters who sat out in 2008 / 2012 because they hated the Establishment choosing a terrible candidate! We don't NEED your votes! Cruz will get the nomination!
Non-Cruzers: Okay, that sounds like nonsense, but hey, run with that theory if you want.

Fast forward to now.

Cruz fans: HELP! TRUMP ATE UP ALL OF OUR SUPPORT!!!!
Non-Cruzers: Oh NOW you want our votes?

I mean, again, I'll vote for him if he gets the nomination. I'm just not finding it in myself to do anything at the primary level to get him there, so long as I have a more preferable option (Rubio).

Posted by: Vyce at March 01, 2016 03:03 PM (h4ZaE)

1406 Another thing,... Trump has proved the lie of the GOP-big-tent crap and we need moderates to reach independents, etc. I'll admit, if Trump was getting more support from the GOP and beltway types, he wouldn't have near the appeal to fed up Democrats. The more the establishment screeches, the stronger they make him. Heh.

The GOP and the conservative-press have shown their cards. Trump, even if he is defeated has laid bare the absolute sham that the GOP is... not that there was much doubt, but .... Perfect storm of their own creation.


Posted by: Yip at March 01, 2016 03:04 PM (e7T6D)

1407 "the only man to save the party"

Oh goodness, after reading that, I'm about ready to retch.

And Ace I'm sure you've posted that you couldn't care less about the Republicans.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 01, 2016 03:04 PM (LXJ1e)

1408 "If Trump wins, he's going to make deals.."



No shit, Skippy.
---
I continue to love how the anti-Trumpers constantly expect me to simultaneously fear that he'll make deals and betray me *and* rule tyrannicallly.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at March 01, 2016 03:05 PM (ZbV+0)

1409 The time to offer Cruz as a compromise was before IA. It's an idea at least two months too late.

Better to find out where everyone stands, this election year, than kick the can again. Let's go on this journey together and see how bad things can really get.

Trump/Sessions 2016 #alwaystrump
Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 01, 2016 02:55 PM (h/0l

---------------------

Cruz stabbed Trump in the back with the NY values thing. A proven back stabber he is.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 01, 2016 03:06 PM (LXJ1e)

1410 This has always been my issue with Cruz and Cruz fans. This notion that Cruz is the only "true" [...] running for the nomination
***
Meh, them's the facts. You don't have to like them, but they are what they are.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 01, 2016 03:06 PM (5LOno)

1411 Trump/Sessions 2016 #alwaystrump

Posted by: trickamsterdam at March 01, 2016 02:55 PM (h/0l

It figures you would put "conservative" in scare quotes.

Posted by: troyriser at March 01, 2016 03:07 PM (cCEFD)

1412 Not because he thought you weren't foolish; but because he thought he'd catch more flies with honey. And I think this was precisely the wrong tactic. We should have let loose with mockery and derision, before the media and the left were able to orchestrate their Brawndo preference cascade.

Posted by: Pastafarian at March 01, 2016 02:31 PM (LqrRo)
******

This exactly!

As for the media who stoked the flames of this slow-moving nightmare reaping ratings/book sales - never forget.

Posted by: Daisy at March 01, 2016 03:08 PM (vaFpc)

1413 "If"

Posted by: The Spartan at March 01, 2016 03:09 PM (h6G/n)

1414 If Cruz is the savior, then we truly are in Hell. Evangelicals can't stand Cruz, and see through his fake bible thumping. Why is it a bad thing if the GOP splits? The "smart set" and their hubris will never capitulate to the lesser beings. Maybe everyone is holding on to something that hasn't worked for 25 years out of fear and desperation. I welcome the possibilities of this fracturing because the GOP has done NOTHING but help send this country off a cliff

Posted by: shabatalo at March 01, 2016 03:10 PM (JMk+Q)

1415 Right. Cruz isn't ideal. He is, however, almost ideal on the plank that is animating Trump supporters. He is more perfect on this issue than Trump. He is also ideal on the thing that all of us prize. He is and will be a reliable defender of the intended interpretation of the Constitution.

Posted by: TedCruzLegThrill at March 01, 2016 03:10 PM (VekM5)

1416 No shit, Skippy.

We're just so shell shocked over the past 12 or 16 years that every "deal" made had the democrats getting everything they wanted and us taking it up the ass without lube.

Just imagine if "deals" could be made the other way around.

Everything in life is deal. How you come out on deal is up to how you negotiate it.

How about we try making some deals with someone on our team who knows how to win?
Posted by: jwest at March 01, 2016 02:53 PM (Zs4uk)

------------------------

Has anyone asked Cruz what policies he is willing to shut the government down over?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 01, 2016 03:11 PM (LXJ1e)

1417 So Because you have a completely irrational fear of illegal aliens we should go with a guy who lies about his position on immigration instead of telling the truth. Plus, how will he govern all by himself at war with everyone.
This is not the solution you are pretending it is.
Get over you love for Cruz, fall in love with Rubio. That is the only solution.

Posted by: Tulip at March 01, 2016 03:12 PM (VoCyE)

1418 Has anyone asked Cruz what policies he is willing to shut the government down over?

Has anyone asked ALL the candidates what policies they're willing to shut the government down over? Why just Cruz?

Posted by: Hadoop at March 01, 2016 03:13 PM (2X7pN)

1419 People like Ace, I'm of the opinion these days, were always running a long con in favor of Cruz, who was always their preferred candidate. So they helped prop up Trump, in the theory he'd flame or fade out, or just lose a few states and his pride would force him to quit. And that a significant portion of Trump's voters would migrate, naturally, to Cruz.

Again, that was an egregious tactical error, and one that Cruz also committed, ultimately to his extreme detriment.

Now, as we stand on what possibly is the eve of Trump locking up the nomination (or at least locking it up by like a 90% chance; I'll hold onto a 10% chance of defeating him), it comes time to beg 1) those who support Trump to reconsider and 2) those of us who support Rubio to choose Cruz. I'd feel bad for him, but then again, he does his begging without humility, so not really.

If it makes him feel better, I'd vote for Cruz, should he get the nomination. I don't think there's much chance of that after today, though.
Posted by: Vyce at March 01, 2016 02:51 PM (h4ZaE)

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HaHaHaHaHaHa!

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 01, 2016 03:14 PM (LXJ1e)

1420 Get over you love for Cruz, fall in love with Rubio. That is the only solution.


I never thought I'd see that. Rubio has not won anything, and likely can't even carry his Florida. Yeah, I'm not seeing him as viable... but since I hate folks when they argue viability early out like this... Gang of 8.. betrayal of Tea Party that supported him and then checked out of doing Senate stuff because, heh,... let's run for POTUS because....... ?

Posted by: Yip at March 01, 2016 03:16 PM (e7T6D)

1421 "Any one of these Republican Candidates up on stage would make a better President than Hillary or Bernie"

ALL OF YOU nodded in agreement to that statement not too long ago...

Posted by: dont forget kids at March 01, 2016 03:16 PM (aHUpC)

1422
So Because you have a completely irrational fear of illegal aliens...


Kate Steinle unavailable for comment.

Posted by: Hadoop at March 01, 2016 03:17 PM (2X7pN)

1423 Kasich wins: The return of the Pony Express.

I knew there'd be a LOL in the manure pile this thread has turned into.

Posted by: DaveA at March 01, 2016 03:20 PM (DL2i+)

1424 1418 Has anyone asked Cruz what policies he is willing to shut the government down over?

Has anyone asked ALL the candidates what policies they're willing to shut the government down over? Why just Cruz?

Posted by: Hadoop at March 01, 2016 03:13 PM (2X7pN)

------------------

Because he is the uber-hard ass that his supporters really want over Trump's deal making.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 01, 2016 03:21 PM (LXJ1e)

1425 Ace doesn't run cons. He is a border/immigration hawk and only started considering Trump when Trump realized that his statement about letting in Syrian refugees was hurting him. Ted Cruz is more solid on this issue than Trump.

Posted by: TedCruzLegThrill at March 01, 2016 03:25 PM (VekM5)

1426 1425 Ace doesn't run cons. He is a border/immigration hawk and only started considering Trump when Trump realized that his statement about letting in Syrian refugees was hurting him. Ted Cruz is more solid on this issue than Trump.
Posted by: TedCruzLegThrill at March 01, 2016 03:25 PM (VekM5)

--------------------

Which was all of two hours. Vs Mr. Legalization Cruz dropping his stuff about legalization two months ago and now is "deport them all" as of only last week.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 01, 2016 03:30 PM (LXJ1e)

1427 One problem: Cruz is toast, Trump will the candidate, and the nuclear/nukeyalerr option is Hillary Clinton. It's a no brainer, Ace. Fuhgeddabout Tejas, we gwine wins new yolks!

Posted by: Ritchie at March 01, 2016 03:34 PM (G/sJQ)

1428 Ted Cruz is less changeable on things that matter to conservatives than Trump. Very simple. If he thought saying that sending the illegal residents from here to Mars to set up a colony of hard workers would get him into a position to better defend the Constitution, he would.

Posted by: TedCruzLegThrill at March 01, 2016 03:42 PM (VekM5)

1429 1415
Right. Cruz isn't ideal. He is, however, almost ideal on the plank that is animating Trump supporters. He is more perfect on this issue than Trump. He is also ideal on the thing that all of us prize. He is and will be a reliable defender of the intended interpretation of the Constitution.

Posted by: TedCruzLegThrill at March 01, 2016 03:10 PM (VekM5)


Except possibly the "natural born citizen part."

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at March 01, 2016 03:54 PM (3dOE/)

1430 As a card carrying member of the establishment (Tea Party and free market conservative) here is my response.

Ace if you are a member of the blue collar movement you must know by now that Donald Trump has probably told the NY times that he will sell you down the river on amnesty. Rubio at least said he will secure the border first. Point is you should fear a Trump presidency More than free market conservatives do. Especially since most blue collar types face threats to their jobs from illegal immigrants where as the "smartset" like me don't.

Offering Cruz as a compromise won't work since Trump is more of a threat to Trump and Cruz supporters than Rubio supporters.

That's why free market conservatives are always ridiculing and sneering at Trump supporters. They are pushing Trump as a means to stick it to the establishment, when in reality Trump will stick it to them.

If Trump wins I will leave the party, but still be economically secure (as long as Trump doesn't cause WW3).

What will Trump and Cruz supporters do when Trump sells them out on Amnesty? BTW, I consider myself a Tea Partier, but u seem to want to make an enemy out of all conservatives with greater than a 4 year degree.

Cruz is my second choice and if Rubio does terrible today, I would join with Cruz forces. But using a Trump Presidency to threaten those who have the least to lose personally, is like threatening my life by putting a gun to your own head. So on behalf of the "establishment" I say "go ahead and shoot. No deal."

Posted by: Dark matter at March 01, 2016 03:54 PM (yOr6f)

1431 Pct 23 turnout at the Civic Center at 1300H CDT was pretty good.

Posted by: MarkhamShawPyle at March 01, 2016 04:17 PM (WlkUc)

1432 Posted by: Dark matter at March 01, 2016 03:54 PM (yOr6f)

too funny. You are a Tea partier and support Rubio?

You may as well be a democrat.

Sorry, no deal for me either. I'll never vote for Rubio. Never. And will never vote for any GOP on the ticket this time around.

YOu fail to understand the problem. Rubio, the GOP, etc., are all liars. They are all leftists. They will pass amnesty, increase spending, increase gov't, etc. History has shown us this over the last 20 or so years.

I'm not saying Trump would be better - but arguing that Rubio is going to be more conservative than Trump is silly. Rubio will sell us all down the river just as much, if not more than, Trump.

that is the problem. Not that Trump is such a terrible candidate that your alleged conservative preening won't allow you to vote for him. Sure, don't vote for Trump. But don't try and sell me on the idea that you are doing it for conservative or moral reasons. Your support of Rubio establishes that is not true.

Posted by: Golden at March 01, 2016 04:24 PM (3ZtZW)

1433 The GOP isn't worth saving. They've proven that fact, time and time again, over the past 15 years or so. And for the past 8 they've spent their time whining about the other side not being willing to work with them. It's a point, but what do you do about it? You don't whine like a little girl, you dig in and fight, and talk like you're willing to fight. Not this John McCain "oh i'd never stoop to that level" BS.

Posted by: LibertysLeviathan at March 01, 2016 07:32 PM (tBvzw)

1434 Trump has given his campaign $250,000.he has loaned it 17 million (which the campaign can pay back up until the convention ends , and will if it can ) . He has raised 7 million from his donors and tries to collect more (visit his website and see) . This is pretty miserable compared to cruz collecting in excess of 40 million from his supporters.

I think trump orginally running as a spoiler is quite plausible . he could have been promised all kinds of "wonderful deals" by bill C . If he doesnt seem to be assured of a win I think he will revert to his role as a spoiler. Partly because it is safe and partly because he cannot tolerate being called a loser.

I seriously doubt a man who has 60% negatives and high name recognition can win the election. Moreover the his closet door will be thrown wide open, and it is chock full of nastiness. Mobster associates, thousand of little people swindled and stiffed , failures and scams . His brothers disinheritance and trumps refusal to help the nephew get cancer treatment , etc, etc. His negatives will get much worse once the media turns on him. Then there is the man himself, he has the vocabulary of an illiterate. All his speeches and all his advertising pitches sound the same. He says the same things over and over. Even his insults dont change. He is more easily ridiculed than any other political figure of my lifetime . Hs wears on one and will become grating long before the general election . Hillary will utterly destroy him. Even if tea party folks can bring themselves to vote for him (and I very much doubt many will be able to, I wont) it wont help.

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Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat