Spot-fixing/Match-fixing scandal

Jackdaws said:

Apparently all India does 24x7 is try giving Pakistan a bad name. What a futile exercise given the excellent reputation Pakistan enjoys in all fields - Politics, International Relations, War and Cricket.

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heh heh....... bad India!!!

I think Wajid Shams-ul-Hassan should have waited for the Scotland yard investigation to complete before jumping into conclusion that it is a 'set up' -- Why did he have to come out and make such bold statements in the middle of an active and ongoing investigation is out of my understanding? He could have just waited another day or two until it was official. God forbid, if players are now found guilty after investigation, Pakistan will suffer even more humiliation!

Cynic Waheed said:

Why did he have to come out and make such bold statements in the middle of an active and ongoing investigation is out of my understanding?

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He has assessed all situation and discussed this matter with all authorities (which includes Scotland Yard, FIA, ICC and PCB) and players. He must have been confident about innocence of players.

Just wait and hope for the best!

Cynic Waheed said:

I think Wajid Shams-ul-Hassan should have waited for the Scotland yard investigation to complete before jumping into conclusion that it is a 'set up' -- Why did he have to come out and make such bold statements in the middle of an active and ongoing investigation is out of my understanding? He could have just waited another day or two until it was official. God forbid, if players are now found guilty after investigation, Pakistan will suffer even more humiliation!

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He might have made the right move by doing so as he might be convinced that none of the alleged stuff could be proven by police. SY has itself admitted that would be almost impossible to convict the trio and even the basterd majeed, leave alone the players, the mole himself couldnt be convicted.
'Insufficient evidence' against Majeed, fears UK anti-corruption chief | Cricket News | England v Pakistan 2010 | Cricinfo.com.

So lets see how this whole drama turns out.....if nothing can be proved than High Commissioner made the right move...IMO that is.

WAQAS119 said:

He has assessed all situation and discussed this matter with all authorities (which includes Scotland Yard, FIA, ICC and PCB) and players. He must have been confident about innocence of players.

Just wait and hope for the best!

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I am hoping for the best bro, fingers crossed! But phir bhi, in this critical time we should be more careful when handling issues at global level. I mean think of the implications on Pakistan 'IF' his claims are wrong.

BTW Scotland yard is yet to interrogate these players tomorrow. I dunno man i have a very dodgy feeling about all this and thats why IMO he shuold have stayed shush for now.

Anyhow, like you said, let's wait and see and hope for the best!

SummerWine said:

He might have made the right move by doing so as he might be convinced that none of the alleged stuff could be proven by police. SY has itself admitted that would be almost impossible to convict the trio and even the basterd majeed, leave alone the players, the mole himself couldnt be convicted.
'Insufficient evidence' against Majeed, fears UK anti-corruption chief | Cricket News | England v Pakistan 2010 | Cricinfo.com.

So lets see how this whole drama turns out.....if nothing can be proved than High Commissioner made the right move...IMO that is.

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I just watched on BBC that the police has confirmed the authenticity of this video. He is convinced but he has just access to one side of story mainly the players. Hypothetically, 'IF' we assume that these players were genuinely involved in this scandal. 'IF' the players can sell their national pride, why cant they lie to the High Commissioner?

On the contrary if this really is a conspiracy of some sort, we could have always taken legal action once it was officially over. There was no need to come out like that with such statement. I mean we have waited 3 days now, am sure we cd have waited another few. IMO it was a bad move by him right now, not professional.

Cynic Waheed said:

I just watched on BBC that the police has confirmed the authenticity of this video. He is convinced but he has just access to one side of story mainly the players. Hypothetically, 'IF' we assume that these players were genuinely involved in this scandal. 'IF' the players can sell their national pride, why cant they lie to the High Commissioner?

On the contrary if this really is a conspiracy of some sort, we could have always taken legal action once it was officially over. There was no need to come out like that with such statement. I mean we have waited 3 days now, am sure we cd have waited another few. IMO it was a bad move by him right now, not professional.

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He is Pak's official representative to UK and one of his duties is to look for the best interests of his country and so it is not surprising that he has suggested this possibility.

Look the video whether real or fake is inconclusive, such hidden cam audios and videos dont have much credibility in the court of law. Thats all that could be behind the HC's claim. Even if his claim is later proven to be wrong, he might just have done his Job.

There is a long way to go, first over the weekend SYard has to reveal its findings, then ICC's ACU will take on and later Pak's local law minter types would jump in. So there is a very low chance that we will find out that all three were pure innocents and were framed. But thats my personal thought.....some Bans for Butt and Asif lesser may be for Amir.....thats the best that could come out from all this....worst is terrible....life bans for all three.....

So the HC might have started an innings of defence which woudl go down a long way...

Police investigating alleged corruption involving Pakistani cricketers believe that video evidence crucial to the case is authentic, BBC Sport understands.

Pakistan's High Commissioner Wajid Shamsul Hasan claims News of the World video allegedly exposing the scandal may have been made after the incident.

Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir are currently being investigated by the police for alleged spot-fixing.

But police and cricket's governing body are treating the evidence as genuine.

The BBC also understands that the questions being posed by Hasan over the nature of the video evidence, after the Pakistan high commissioner had emerged from a Pakistan Cricket Board inquiry on Thursday, will not form part of the three cricketers' defence.

In response to Hasan's latest comments, the News of the World said it "refuses to respond to such ludicrous allegations".

Asif and Amir are alleged to have bowled three no-balls on purpose at pre-determined times to facilitate betting coups after a "middle-man" was reported to have accepted £150,000 in cash from an undercover reporter from the News of the World.

The newspaper published the claims last Sunday, days after the incidents were alleged to have taken place on the Thursday and Friday of the fourth Test at Lord's.

The cricketers Hasan referred to will now miss the rest of their country's tour of England , but the International Cricket Council has agreed to not to speak to them until the Metropolitan Police give permission.

Earlier on Thursday, Hasan insisted the players were "innocent".

"The players have voluntarily offered not to be included [in the tour]," he said. "They want to clear their names first."

Later Hasan emerged from the PCB inquiry in London to tell the BBC that the News of the World videotape of its meeting with cricket agent Mazhar Majeed could be inconclusive.

"You [the media] are jumping to conclusions, because no-balls are not taped like that," he said.

"We have not seen the videos. What the time [was when they were taken], what the date [was]... whether they were taken before or after the match. Do you have answers to the questions?"

When asked if the video could be fake, he replied: "You must know better because you are the media people."

Hours later Hasan told BBC Radio 5 live that "they [the players] are being brow-beaten for nothing by the media and they should be defended".

Pakistan team manager Yawar Saeed was keen to stress that the players in question had been left out and "not suspended" on Thursday, adding that they were all "extremely disturbed" by what has happened since the allegations were made on Sunday.

"They maintain that on account of the mental torture which has deeply affected them, they are not in the right frame of mind to play the remaining matches," he said.

The trio were originally questioned by police - along with wicketkeeper Kamran Akmal - at the team's hotel on Sunday, since when police said Akmal is no longer part of that investigation.

After it was announced that Butt, Amir and Asif will play no further part in England tour, England and Wales Cricket Board chairman Giles Clarke said that the decision was welcomed.

BBC Sport - Cricket - Pakistan cricket corruption scandal takes new twist

An interesting comment from one of UK blogs.....

However let us not get carried away with Judicial Matters.

Basically if the video recordings are not "encrypted" and "date and time stamped" means they will be unacceptable as evidence in court; which basically means that Mazhar Majeed and his co-defendents will be let off and then be allowed to claim substantial damages......In layman terms this means the video recording must be completely "Tamper - Proof"; and encrypted recordings which are date and time stamped under an internationally recognised recording process will be the only recordings which are acceptable in court, Amen !!

The fact that faggots with a track record of hatred towards all things "Pakistan" such as Richie Benaud who has jumped out of bed from his Geriatric Rest Home down under and Ian Botham stopped puffing on his joint and Bob Willis slowed down his bung payments to rugby players and Daryl Hair who prefered payment in "Brown Paper Bags" and all the other worms taking pot shots at the Pakistan Team has just diluted any case that existed against them !

Cynic Waheed said:

I just watched on BBC that the police has confirmed the authenticity of this video. He is convinced but he has just access to one side of story mainly the players. Hypothetically, 'IF' we assume that these players were genuinely involved in this scandal. 'IF' the players can sell their national pride, why cant they lie to the High Commissioner?

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Can you quote any news source verifying that the Scotland Yard has indeed said so?

Asim Aquil said:

Can you quote any news source verifying that the Scotland Yard has indeed said so?

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BBC Sport - Cricket - Pakistan cricket corruption scandal takes new twist

Entrapment
In criminal law, entrapment is constituted by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal liability. However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity. On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.
Entrapment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As along as stupid greedy and religious extremist Pakistani are there in west there will be Entrapment by media and Agencies

Asim Aquil said:

Can you quote any news source verifying that the Scotland Yard has indeed said so?

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said so what bro? Its on BBC that the video according to the police is authenticate.

Another breaking news BBC learns that ICC have suspended the three players (source: BBC)

Yea its on News.....had to happen

BENNY said:

BBC Sport - Cricket - Pakistan cricket corruption scandal takes new twist

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Pardon me, This whole report is based on BBC UNDERSTANDING,,,, Not a single quote of British investigator are given in this report,,,, let alone an anonymous investigator telling tape is real, is quoted in this report, doesn't it cast the doubts on this whole report??