Tracking Down Auto Warranty Callers

On Sunday, Senator Charles E. Schumer held a news conference to complain about car warranty telemarketing calls.

Mr. Schumer said he had received several of these warranty renewal robo calls — the latest taking place last Wednesday.

“I’ve had enough,” Mr. Schumer said. “These are scam artists.”

Mr. Schumer is not alone. Consumers across the country are flooding Web sites with complaints about these calls and are looking for ways to stop them. Officials in 40 states are investigating the companies behind the calls, and the Better Business Bureau said it received more than 140,000 complaints about the car-warranty calls last year.

Mr. Schumer has asked the Federal Trade Commission to investigate and put an end to the calls.

The warranty calls usually begin with an automated voice stating that your vehicle’s warranty has expired or is about to expire. The caller is next prompted to press 1 to speak with a representative or another number to be removed from the list. But consumers say that the calls — which are made to both land lines and cellphones — continue even after they’ve asked to be removed and that adding their names to the Do Not Call Registry hasn’t stopped the calls.

I received a warranty robo call last Thursday from a 989 area code. The automated voice told me that this was my final notice concerning my soon-to-expire auto warranty, which was news to me since I take public transportation and don’t own a car. A search on whocalled.us reveals similar complaints originating from other numbers.

Part of the difficulty in tracking down these companies is that they change their numbers and names often, and they use technology that prevents consumers from calling them back.

One phone number used to call New Yorkers was traced to a disconnected phone in Nebraska that belonged to an illegal immigrant who was arrested in a raid on a meatpacking plant and was deported.

A representative for the Better Business Bureau in St. Louis, where several of these companies are based, said that warranty marketers have been operating for the past five to 10 years. Because the bureau is neither a legal nor a government agency, it said it could not put the companies out of business. The representative suggested that in addition to filing a complaint with the bureau, consumers file one with their state attorney generals’ offices.

The bureau also flagged several Missouri-based companies. Out of all of them, U.S. Fidelis is considered to be among the largest and was the subject of a recent NBC “Today” show investigation. “Today” reported that there are attorneys general in 40 states investigating U.S. Fidelis for deceptive and unfair practices.

The company received an F rating from the Better Business Bureau and — along with Explicit Media — agreed to pay Verizon Wireless $50,000 as part of a settlement over allegations of illegal telemarketing.

William L. Brauch, a special assistant attorney general and director of the consumer protection division in Iowa, told The Times in November that consumers need to be wary of some warranty providers.

“A number of these companies tend to routinely deny paying, they come up with various interpretations, shall we say, of the agreements, which they say justify them not covering whatever the problem might be,” he said.

Verizon Wireless also sued Missouri-based Dealers Warranty (operating under Federal Auto Protection) and National Dealers Warranty, and Netherlands-based Tele Europe for using an auto dialer to reach its customers.

Missouri authorities also filed a lawsuit against U.S. Fidelis last month.

Ken Fields, a U.S. Fidelis spokesman, said in an e-mail message that his company was not making unsolicited phone calls.

“In fact, we applaud Senator Schumer’s request to investigate the manner in which some telemarketing companies are operating within our industry,” Mr. Fields said. “Our company has had to take various forms of legal action not only to stop misconception about who is making these calls, but also to correct negative impressions these calls leave.”

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It is too bad that politicians continue to exempt themselves from Do Not Call law.

StopPoliticalCalls.org is fighting for the privacy of the American voter.

1 – Creating a Political Do Not Call Registry
2 – Testifying in the US Senate about robo calls (Sen. Feinstein’s Robocall Privacy Act)
3 – Forcing states to enforce existing robo call laws (CA, MN, NJ, etc..)
4 – Getting politicians to take a do not robo call pledge (7 have)

Here is a quote from a member recently:

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//www.stoppoliticalcalls.org
A non-profit fighting for the privacy of the American voter

Same scam with announcement that your credit card rate can be reduced: those folks keep calling
… OR, more worriesome, with announcment that there is a problem with your bank account…

I always press ‘1’ when I get these calls.

Voice: Please give us your car make and model.

Me: You called me, so you should be able tell me my car’s make and model.

voice: uh… (hangs up)

They’ve stopped calling me.

I get a call from these people nearly every single day — on some days, I get calls to my home, business, and cell number. There must be literally hundreds of thousands to millions of these calls going out every day, but the government doesn’t have the resources to track down where they are coming from? Is the best our fancy electronic surveilance systems can do?

Step one: Enforce the Do Not Call list, both on the National and Local level. Why is this no longer being done? Admittedly there are exceptions but these calls do not fit those criteria. So why are they tolerated?
Not all are robocalls. I do get a percentage of them as cold calls. If I grumble they merely hang up. A few days later, they are calling again. I am now at the point where Everything goes through my answering machine.
I would love to report these transgressions but there’s nothing on the recorded ones identifying them and caller IDs are generally blocked on the live ones. Hmmm — perhaps that too should be prohibited.

Robert Anderson, NY,NY May 12, 2009 · 5:27 pm

I ALWAYS press one and answer with,,,HELLO and welcome to steelgaragedotcom. That’s right you have reached America’s premierprovider of steel garages and warehouse solutions and one of our highly trained design specialists will be right with you…

I have never had a repeat call…gues nobody wants a steelgarage?

Having been the victim of an after-market extended auto warranty, the now defunct A.P.I. Automobile Warranty Company, sold by a new car dealer in my area, I can report that the least of one’s problem is an unwanted phone call. Consumers should also know, that many of these after-market extended auto-warranty companies that go bankrupt, recycle themselves as new outfits, but then repeat their cycle of deception. Consumers who desire an extended auto warranty are better off purchasing a more expensive, but fully backed (now by the Federal Govt. , even if the Company goes bankrupt) warranty from the automobile manufacturer.

Here’s what I do, engage them, talk with them, waste as much of their time as you possibly can. They will stop calling you and by you taking so much of their time you have done a good deed by saving someone else!

Besides, it’s fun to see how long you can keep them on the line…. he he he

Way to go number 6!

anybody else getting the “Hi guys — this is Josh” calls. If I could find out the freaks that are behind this I would call the District Attorney on them.

Hi Guys – this is Josh,…. twice a day on my answering machine for the last nine months!

The article did not mention that these calls are generally being made over internet phone services (generically called Voip providers) so they are much harder to track down. Many are probably outside of US jurisdiction. The caller ID phone numbers are faked (spoofed).

Neil urged people to only buy a warranty from the car manufacturer. Good advice, but the problem is that many dealers sell polices they may CLAIM are from the manufacturer, but actually are not.

Has anybody tracked down the credit-card scammers to see what they’re doing? Do they have a real business, or are they just stealing card numbers? That would be a good project for an enterprising Times reporter.

Akin to #8, press “1”, put the phone down, and walk away. It’s amazing how long these people will blather on before they even realize you aren’t there. You can waste a lot of their time this way, without wasting ANY of yours.

a friend suggestd to me: when you say hello and there no response, hit “Star, Pound and Zero ” in that order and no more calls. That proceedure seems to foul up their Robo System. It worked for me!

I always get these junk calls as robo messages in voicemail. I’d really like to catch these people in the act, so I can tell them they’re 23 years too late.

I wrote to FTC COmmissioner Cobbs on April after I finally tracked down one of these firms on my own.

A company using the phone number 678-466-2993 has been calling my office and my residence for months without my permission. I am on the Do Not Call lists. They seem to act with impunity.

Why is this large call center permitted to avoid enforcement? Do I standing for an class action suit?

I have spoken with AT&T, my wireline provider, about stopping these calls. I am literally ready to have my wireline phone disconnected.

The AT&T customer service rep said that he had received over20 calls just that day with the same complaint as mine.

Here’s a website that’s been tracking these scams

//www.markturner.net/2007/11/08/car-warranty-scam-continued/

800notes.com/Phone.aspx

One of the companies pushing these warranty scams is headquartered n Boca Raton, Florida. The owner lives in Delray Beach.

But wait, there’s more!

Many of these firms are spoofing Caller-ID. I have professional experience in caller-ID systems. It is ILLEGAL to falsify the Caller-ID.

Several of the calls I have received are using the phone numbers of legitimate businesses in other industries – although they seem to prefer to use the fax lines of legitimate businesses.

They WILL NOT STOP CALLING as they literally don’t care. Each call is costing them a fraction of a cent. All they need to do is scam some elderly person out of $2,500 and they’re able to profitably make another 250,000 calls.

C’mon Senator Shumer! My business is not allowed to make calls to people on the Do Not Call list, why are these scam artists?

Two years I had had it with hundreds of calls from a company saying I had better pay the balance on a credit card that I was faithfully paying off . The callers had nasty and/or threatening voices – some sounded faked.

I put about 30 of these calls on the government nocall registry complaint site; no results. The calls kept coming.

I then wrote my congressman, Steny Hoyer, the majority leader. I got prompt & concerned replies to my letters. After months his office sent me brochures and an address to start the procedure over with a government agency. The calls still came and I gave up.

Lo and behold, a month or two later I read in the paper that the industry these creeps belong to decided to stop nuisance calls on innocent people – and the calls stopped.

I don’t know if my efforts had anything to do with this but I hope so.

cindy hawkins legorreta May 12, 2009 · 5:57 pm

My husband and I have three phones; a cell for him, a cell for me, and a house phone. Lucky us – we now get these robogus calls in TRIPLICATE! And we are on the Do Not Call List as well. These creeps always call during dinner, and my ID caller screen reads “Unavailable” or some such. I have on occasion attempted to ring back the source number, and reached a recorded message – the phone I am calling is disconnected. What a pain in the butt! Wouldn’t you think in times like these, people would find more constructive things to do with their downtime instead of harassing hard-pressed, weary fellow Americans? Guess not.

I am so sick of these calls I have turned off my answering machine.

Next I will get rid of my phone.

Telephone companies DO YOU HEAR ME!!!!!

Shaun Dakin,
I only get calls from my elected officials during election season, perhaps 2 weeks every 2 years at most.

I had 8 robocalls from scam businesses last Thursday while sitting at home rather than at the office. That’s 2,000 a year if they only call on business days.

Which robocall do you think ticks me off 1,000 times more?

I live in an area with many elderly who are easy prey of these scams, whether for auto warranty, credit card reduction, and now loan modifications and real estate loans.

I provide pro bono services for distressed home owners, so I see firsthand the types of scams being pulled when someone walks into my office about to lose their home after having sent $5,000 to one of these scammers who did nothing but defraud a naive homeowner.

Chuck ‘where’s the camera’ Schumer?

I feel so secure knowing he’s on the case……

Our elected representation is worth less every day.

Also on the list of these slime balls are the vermin who send unsolicited faxes for health care, roof repairs, window repairs and others. They never, contrary to law, have the fax number of the sending machine.

While one of my fax numbers is with efax so that the fax simply goes into my e mail account and when i look at it I can just destroy it, some go to my ancient fax machine which I still have in case efax goes down….a waste of paper and ink.

What is the government doing to stop these vermin????

LOL Let me, a mere servile pesent see if I can wrap my under-developed and obviously un-intelligent mind around this………. They can listen in, track, record, trace back, and probably describe the clothes being worn by both parties on a line discussing lobying tit for tat arrangements between senators and lobbyists, terrorists from other countries, illegal pornographers, prostitutes and governors etc…….

But, in an effort to improve the lives of those they are elected to represent, and by whose money all this surveillance technology is paid for, all of a sudden they are like the old cartoon character that says: “DUuhhhhh which way did dey gooooo????”

Sincerely disgusting.

Kind regards,

Rob Jenkins

I’m getting calls not only from car warranty predators but those pretending to offer full health care (including hospitalization and prescriptions) for less than three dollars a day. I know this is a bunch of crap so I keep pushing a button until I get someone on the phone. And when I do, I ask to be removed from the list and they just hang up. Punks! If only……

I haven’t gotten any of those calls but I get junkmail about once a month from one of those outfits. Since I have a long-term service contract with my dealer it never made sense. They tried to make it look like a letter from the manufacturer, how else would they have information about my service contract.